NATION

PASSWORD

Should Size of the House of Representatives be Increased?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Should the Size of HoR and that of the Senate be Increased?

HoR: No, keep at 435
17
13%
HoR: No, defund it!
10
8%
HoR: Yes, and triple it to match population growth
27
21%
HoR: Yes, and double it for various reasons
12
9%
HoR: Yes, and quadruple it for shits and giggles
6
5%
Senate: No, keep it at 100
28
22%
Senate: No, defund it!
12
9%
Senate: Yes, and sixtuple it to allow more parties representation in the Senate
5
4%
Senate: Yes, and double it
5
4%
Senate: Yes, and also drop term limits to 2 years
6
5%
 
Total votes : 128

User avatar
Shofercia
Post Czar
 
Posts: 30466
Founded: Feb 22, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Should Size of the House of Representatives be Increased?

Postby Shofercia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:20 pm

The year was 1912. It was the first time, (according to my brief search on Wiki, so it could be wrong, but I'm being lazy,) that 435 Congressmen from the 48 contiguous states were elected. At the time, the US had less than 100 million people; the 1910 census showed 92 million.

Today the 48 contiguous continue to elect 435 Congressmen, even though the population more than tripled. Should we increase, or even triple Congress? Ditto for Senate? It's all in the poll.

I think that we should, because it'll allow more representation, and we'll have more swing districts. What does NSG think?
Stonk Power! No Period of Self-Reflection needed!
Come, learn about Russian Culture! Bring Vodka and Ushanka. Interested in Slavic Culture? Fill this out.
If we tell the radical Republicans that there's proof that Global Warming doesn't exist in Death Valley, and the radical Democrats that there's proof of Russian Collusion there, would we have a better America?

(North) Kosovo is (a de facto part of) Serbia and Crimea is (a de facto part of) Russia! DonBass is De Facto Independent! Let's have a Referendum for NovoRossiya!
Tecumseh was a Real American

User avatar
-Ra-
Diplomat
 
Posts: 860
Founded: Aug 09, 2020
Capitalizt

Postby -Ra- » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:21 pm

No.

Onto more productive questions.
Notes on the Left | Leftism ought not be understood as a concrete political ideology, but rather as a counterculture movement whose principal aim is the total overthrow of democratic society.


Beijing delenda est

User avatar
Shofercia
Post Czar
 
Posts: 30466
Founded: Feb 22, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Shofercia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:22 pm

-Ra- wrote:No.

Onto more productive questions.


I like how you voted to defund the house, but keep the Senate at 100. Interesting mix.
Stonk Power! No Period of Self-Reflection needed!
Come, learn about Russian Culture! Bring Vodka and Ushanka. Interested in Slavic Culture? Fill this out.
If we tell the radical Republicans that there's proof that Global Warming doesn't exist in Death Valley, and the radical Democrats that there's proof of Russian Collusion there, would we have a better America?

(North) Kosovo is (a de facto part of) Serbia and Crimea is (a de facto part of) Russia! DonBass is De Facto Independent! Let's have a Referendum for NovoRossiya!
Tecumseh was a Real American

User avatar
-Ra-
Diplomat
 
Posts: 860
Founded: Aug 09, 2020
Capitalizt

Postby -Ra- » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:23 pm

Shofercia wrote:
-Ra- wrote:No.

Onto more productive questions.


I like how you voted to defund the house, but keep the Senate at 100. Interesting mix.

I actually didn't vote. Nor do I care, since I'm not American.

But okay.
Notes on the Left | Leftism ought not be understood as a concrete political ideology, but rather as a counterculture movement whose principal aim is the total overthrow of democratic society.


Beijing delenda est

User avatar
San Lumen
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58184
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:24 pm

Yes. The US has one of the smallest legislatures for its population of any country in the world. I suggested the idea of removing the cap on the House to my member of Congress once
Last edited by San Lumen on Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:29 pm, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Jedi Council
Senator
 
Posts: 3951
Founded: Jan 01, 2018
Anarchy

Postby Jedi Council » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:24 pm

Yes, having a set number of representatives regardless of population is silly. The sheer amount of constituency work should be reason enough.
New Liberal | Humanist
Surfing NS Since 2013
Morally obligated to finish any Star Wars quote
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Jedi Council is in fact, the big gay.

User avatar
Saiwania
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18755
Founded: Jun 30, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Saiwania » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:30 pm

For logistical reasons, it can't increase in size indefinitely. I'd recommend it being raised to 500 seats and it being kept at a nice even number like that.

User avatar
San Lumen
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58184
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:31 pm

Saiwania wrote:For logistical reasons, it can't increase in size indefinitely. I'd recommend it being raised to 500 seats and it being kept at a nice even number like that.

No one is calling for it to increase indefinitely
Last edited by San Lumen on Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Jedi Council
Senator
 
Posts: 3951
Founded: Jan 01, 2018
Anarchy

Postby Jedi Council » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:For logistical reasons, it can't increase in size indefinitely. I'd recommend it being raised to 500 seats and it being kept at a nice even number like that.

No one is calling for it to increase indefinitely

Why not?

At what point would we stop, if current population growth continues? If it was raised to say 700 seats permanently, that would only kick the can down the road to future generation
New Liberal | Humanist
Surfing NS Since 2013
Morally obligated to finish any Star Wars quote
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Jedi Council is in fact, the big gay.

User avatar
The Two Jerseys
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16022
Founded: Jun 07, 2012
Father Knows Best State

Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:36 pm

No, I'd rather not have any more parasites on the payroll.
"The Duke of Texas" is too formal for regular use. Just call me "Your Grace".
"If I would like to watch goodness, sanity, God and logic being fucked I would watch Japanese porn." -Nightkill the Emperor
"This thread makes me wish I was a moron so that I wouldn't have to comprehend how stupid the topic is." -The Empire of Pretantia
Head of State: HM King Louis
Head of Government: The Rt. Hon. James O'Dell MP, Prime Minister
Ambassador to the World Assembly: HE Sir John Ross "J.R." Ewing II, Bt.
Join Excalibur Squadron. We're Commandos who fly Spitfires. Chicks dig Commandos who fly Spitfires.

User avatar
San Lumen
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58184
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:48 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:No, I'd rather not have any more parasites on the payroll.

What a generalization

User avatar
The Two Jerseys
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16022
Founded: Jun 07, 2012
Father Knows Best State

Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:No, I'd rather not have any more parasites on the payroll.

What a generalization

Oh right, I forgot, the ones with (D) next to their name are absolute saints... :roll:
"The Duke of Texas" is too formal for regular use. Just call me "Your Grace".
"If I would like to watch goodness, sanity, God and logic being fucked I would watch Japanese porn." -Nightkill the Emperor
"This thread makes me wish I was a moron so that I wouldn't have to comprehend how stupid the topic is." -The Empire of Pretantia
Head of State: HM King Louis
Head of Government: The Rt. Hon. James O'Dell MP, Prime Minister
Ambassador to the World Assembly: HE Sir John Ross "J.R." Ewing II, Bt.
Join Excalibur Squadron. We're Commandos who fly Spitfires. Chicks dig Commandos who fly Spitfires.

User avatar
San Lumen
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58184
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:52 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What a generalization

Oh right, I forgot, the ones with (D) next to their name are absolute saints... :roll:

Never said that

User avatar
Northwest Slobovia
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12411
Founded: Sep 16, 2006
Anarchy

Postby Northwest Slobovia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:53 pm

While the House might do with being larger, it's already unwieldy as a legislative body. Individual Representatives have almost no power, and serve on only a few committees, because there simply aren't enough committee seats to go around.

I think the Senate should be expanded to three Senators per state (150 total) to smooth out the irregularities of each state getting two elections in six years. Better to have each state have a Senatorial election every two years, so the people of every state have a chance to express their opinion of the government on a regular basis.
Gollum died for your sins.
Power is an equal-opportunity corrupter.

User avatar
Hathradic States
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 29895
Founded: Mar 26, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Hathradic States » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:55 pm

We ought to redistrict after every census, and keep the representation at consistent levels. The concept being the House is for it to be the chamber for the common people to have their voice, so it would make a fair deal of sense for it to be equally distributed. While, yes, it would mean that California would have a great deal more Congressfolk than Wyoming, it's only fair because they a much greater population.

The state's are meant to be represented by the Senate, which is why it is set at equal representation.

Liberals: Honestly I was wrong bout em.
I swear I'm not as terrible as you remember.
Sadly Proven Right in 2016
Final text here.

User avatar
San Lumen
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58184
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:56 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:While the House might do with being larger, it's already unwieldy as a legislative body. Individual Representatives have almost no power, and serve on only a few committees, because there simply aren't enough committee seats to go around.

I think the Senate should be expanded to three Senators per state (150 total) to smooth out the irregularities of each state getting two elections in six years. Better to have each state have a Senatorial election every two years, so the people of every state have a chance to express their opinion of the government on a regular basis.

Every member of Congress sits on at least one committee. Once in Congress they can request certain committees but it’s not always granted

They have more power then you think, they introduce bills and can get certain appropriations for their districts.

User avatar
Northwest Slobovia
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12411
Founded: Sep 16, 2006
Anarchy

Postby Northwest Slobovia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:While the House might do with being larger, it's already unwieldy as a legislative body. Individual Representatives have almost no power, and serve on only a few committees, because there simply aren't enough committee seats to go around.

I think the Senate should be expanded to three Senators per state (150 total) to smooth out the irregularities of each state getting two elections in six years. Better to have each state have a Senatorial election every two years, so the people of every state have a chance to express their opinion of the government on a regular basis.

Every member of Congress sits on at least one committee. Once in Congress they can request certain committees but it’s not always granted

As I said...

San Lumen wrote:They have more power then you think, they introduce bills and can get certain appropriations for their districts.

AFAIK, earmarking is dead, and has been for some time.
Gollum died for your sins.
Power is an equal-opportunity corrupter.

User avatar
San Lumen
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58184
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:06 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Every member of Congress sits on at least one committee. Once in Congress they can request certain committees but it’s not always granted

As I said...

San Lumen wrote:They have more power then you think, they introduce bills and can get certain appropriations for their districts.

AFAIK, earmarking is dead, and has been for some time.

Prove it

User avatar
Neanderthaland
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7381
Founded: Sep 10, 2016
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:09 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No one is calling for it to increase indefinitely

Why not?

At what point would we stop, if current population growth continues? If it was raised to say 700 seats permanently, that would only kick the can down the road to future generation

Lets set it at 328.2 million seats.
Last edited by Neanderthaland on Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Ug make fire. Mod ban Ug.

User avatar
The Two Jerseys
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16022
Founded: Jun 07, 2012
Father Knows Best State

Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:16 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Why not?

At what point would we stop, if current population growth continues? If it was raised to say 700 seats permanently, that would only kick the can down the road to future generation

Lets set it at 328.2 million seats.

F in chat for the Architect of the Capitol.
"The Duke of Texas" is too formal for regular use. Just call me "Your Grace".
"If I would like to watch goodness, sanity, God and logic being fucked I would watch Japanese porn." -Nightkill the Emperor
"This thread makes me wish I was a moron so that I wouldn't have to comprehend how stupid the topic is." -The Empire of Pretantia
Head of State: HM King Louis
Head of Government: The Rt. Hon. James O'Dell MP, Prime Minister
Ambassador to the World Assembly: HE Sir John Ross "J.R." Ewing II, Bt.
Join Excalibur Squadron. We're Commandos who fly Spitfires. Chicks dig Commandos who fly Spitfires.

User avatar
Luziyca
Post Czar
 
Posts: 36490
Founded: Nov 13, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Luziyca » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:27 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Lets set it at 328.2 million seats.

F in chat for the Architect of the Capitol.

We can always just have one ginormous Skype chat so all 328.2 million legislators can be present without burdening the Capitol. People still use Skype, right?
|||The Kingdom of Rwizikuru|||
[13:38] Vnik [Hardhiara] Luz is obviously the worst scout Kylaris has
IIwikiFacebookTwitterKylaris: the best region for five years runningAbout meYouTubePolitical compass

User avatar
Neanderthaland
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7381
Founded: Sep 10, 2016
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:29 pm

Luziyca wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:F in chat for the Architect of the Capitol.

We can always just have one ginormous Skype chat so all 328.2 million legislators can be present without burdening the Capitol. People still use Skype, right?

Wasn't there just some big outrage over Microsoft making Skype launch automatically on all PCs upon startup?

...still very few users.
Ug make fire. Mod ban Ug.

User avatar
The Two Jerseys
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16022
Founded: Jun 07, 2012
Father Knows Best State

Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:29 pm

Luziyca wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:F in chat for the Architect of the Capitol.

We can always just have one ginormous Skype chat so all 328.2 million legislators can be present without burdening the Capitol. People still use Skype, right?

"The chair recognizes...whomever that pixel is."
"The Duke of Texas" is too formal for regular use. Just call me "Your Grace".
"If I would like to watch goodness, sanity, God and logic being fucked I would watch Japanese porn." -Nightkill the Emperor
"This thread makes me wish I was a moron so that I wouldn't have to comprehend how stupid the topic is." -The Empire of Pretantia
Head of State: HM King Louis
Head of Government: The Rt. Hon. James O'Dell MP, Prime Minister
Ambassador to the World Assembly: HE Sir John Ross "J.R." Ewing II, Bt.
Join Excalibur Squadron. We're Commandos who fly Spitfires. Chicks dig Commandos who fly Spitfires.

User avatar
Luziyca
Post Czar
 
Posts: 36490
Founded: Nov 13, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Luziyca » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:34 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Luziyca wrote:We can always just have one ginormous Skype chat so all 328.2 million legislators can be present without burdening the Capitol. People still use Skype, right?

Wasn't there just some big outrage over Microsoft making Skype launch automatically on all PCs upon startup?

...still very few users.

I think that was Microsoft Teams. Was really annoying that that thing launched automatically on startup, but I eventually found a way to deactivate that malarkey.

But I'm sure Skype is more secure than Zoom, which would make it optimal for the US government to use.

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Luziyca wrote:We can always just have one ginormous Skype chat so all 328.2 million legislators can be present without burdening the Capitol. People still use Skype, right?

"The chair recognizes...whomever that pixel is."

:rofl:
|||The Kingdom of Rwizikuru|||
[13:38] Vnik [Hardhiara] Luz is obviously the worst scout Kylaris has
IIwikiFacebookTwitterKylaris: the best region for five years runningAbout meYouTubePolitical compass

User avatar
Sinharia
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 3
Founded: Jul 30, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Sinharia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:34 pm

Absolutely. I'd prefer the use of the Cube Root Rule, where the total seats of the House and Senate is fixed to the cube root of the U.S. population. So after each census, the House would be increased to the cube root of the population, minus 100 for the Senate. For example, after the 2010 census the House would have 576 seats. I also support the adoption of STV for House elections, but that's another story.

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Hirota, Kandorith, Laka Strolistandiler, Majestic-12 [Bot], Neu California, The Huskar Social Union, Vassenor, Washington Resistance Army

Advertisement

Remove ads