The tragedy of US President Lyndon Baines Johnson

[Telconi]

He's not forgotten, he just sucked.

He was a fine President, any man would stumble in the face of the enormous responsibilities that he had. It's not an easy thing to actively oppose racism domestically and totalitarianism abroad.

I mean, I'm helpless to change your opinion, so there's that.

[Jedi Council]

Certainly an above average President whose legacy is really overshadowed, rightfully some might say, by Vietnam.

[Sundiata]

Certainly an above average President whose legacy is really overshadowed, rightfully some might say, by Vietnam.

Unfairly, as our intervention in Vietnam was entirely necessary considering the global threat often posed by communist factions.

[Telconi]

Certainly an above average President whose legacy is really overshadowed, rightfully some might say, by Vietnam.

Unfairly, as our intervention in Vietnam was entirely necessary considering the global threat often posed by communist factions.

Given that Vietnam became wholly communist and the world kept spinning, I'd say it's fair to say that our intervention was provably unnecessary.

[Nevertopia]

The tragedy continued. LBJ drank heavily after his Presidency and died almost exactly 4 years later.

I dont blame him, Id drink myself to an early grave too if I was in his shoes.

[Major-Tom]

He had some successes. The war on poverty, healthcare reform, sweeping Civil Rights legislation. A good bulk of the Great Society was a positive impact.

But, god, anyone who ever knew LBJ could tell you how much he sucked just as a human being. Be it his blatant corruption, racism, ego, and downright idiocy in the Vietnam War...I believe his flaws, unfortunately, outweigh his many successes and positives.

[Major-Tom]

Certainly an above average President whose legacy is really overshadowed, rightfully some might say, by Vietnam.

Unfairly, as our intervention in Vietnam was entirely necessary considering the global threat often posed by communist factions.

When we, well, lost and Vietnam became communist, were we ever threatened? Was our economic system threatened?

It was an idiotic war, c'mon man.

[Picairn]

Unfairly, as our intervention in Vietnam was entirely necessary considering the global threat often posed by communist factions.

And it failed. Without the Vietnam War the USSR would have collapsed anyway, due to the inherent weakness of central planning.

[Region of Dwipantara]

Better than Goldwater, and his anecdotes about "Jumbo" makes some good giggle.

[Page]

Johnson signed some meaningful legislation, but it is not Presidents who are responsible for progress but the people who fight for it. The government doesn't give people rights and liberty, it concedes these things when people's movements become too powerful to oppose. The Civil Rights' movement belongs to people like MLK, Malcom X, and Fred Hampton (all of whom gave their lives with Hampton being outright assassinated by the police). When MLK started speaking out against capitalism, Johnson viewed him as an enemy.

Credit the martyrs who gave their lives, not a President who only gave in when he had no choice.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Are we all forgetting when LBJ stole a senate race?

Your source seems to suggest that the idea is pretty dubious.

But hey, while we're on the subject: anybody remember when Nixon negotiated with the enemy during wartime to sabotage peace negotiations in order to get elected? Or, you know, Watergate? You know, things that for sure happened.

"Johnson had almost certainly been involved in fishy elections before. In 1941, LBJ very likely out-polled his primary opponent in a special Senate election, only to see his political enemies steal the election in a classic case of ballot-box stuffing that dragged on for days on end. Seven years later, Johnson returned the favor in what was almost certainly a rigged election. Days after the election, officials in Precinct 13, Jim Wells county, discovered 200 uncounted votes [all for LBJ], cast by voters who mysteriously signed in by alphabetical order, all in the same handwriting. It was the most egregious example of widespread, systematic fraud, most pronounced in counties under the thumb of Johnson’s political ally, George Parr. Caro has argued convincingly that Johnson’s team won by dubious means."

The main subject of the article is the 1960 presidential election, in which the fraud was dubious. It does, however, mention incidentally the incident I'm referring to. his 1948 Senate race.

Here's another source talking directly about the subject: https://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/11/us/h ... -lost.html

[Jedi Council]

Certainly an above average President whose legacy is really overshadowed, rightfully some might say, by Vietnam.

Unfairly, as our intervention in Vietnam was entirely necessary considering the global threat often posed by communist factions.

That's a fairly bad argument given that the US lost the war, and yet Communism did not run rampant in the aftermath.

[Kowani]

Johnson signed some meaningful legislation, but it is not Presidents who are responsible for progress but the people who fight for it. The government doesn't give people rights and liberty, it concedes these things when people's movements become too powerful to oppose. The Civil Rights' movement belongs to people like MLK, Malcom X, and Fred Hampton (all of whom gave their lives with Hampton being outright assassinated by the police). When MLK started speaking out against capitalism, Johnson viewed him as an enemy.

Credit the martyrs who gave their lives, not a President who only gave in when he had no choice.

Correct me of I'm wrong, but didn't Johnson have to muscle several Senators into supporting the CRA?

[Costa Fierro]

Maybe he needed to whip out Jumbo a bit more often?

[Purpelia]

Certainly an above average President whose legacy is really overshadowed, rightfully some might say, by Vietnam.

Unfairly, as our intervention in Vietnam was entirely necessary considering the global threat often posed by communist factions.

When communists start poring over your land borders than you get to "defend" your self. Beyond that but out.

[-Astoria-]

Certainly an above average President whose legacy is really overshadowed, rightfully some might say, by Vietnam.

This.

[Nakena]

Hart–Celler Act is another controversial thing to some.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Unfairly, as our intervention in Vietnam was entirely necessary considering the global threat often posed by communist factions.

That's a fairly bad argument given that the US lost the war, and yet Communism did not run rampant in the aftermath.

The transition from Kennedy to Johnson was a really good chance to withdraw from Vietnam. But I guess that would be surrendering and no-one suspected that might be necessary some day. Or that Johnson's landslide in '64 would be enough to absorb the bad feelings about surrendering to communists. I don't blame him, it's just a "what if?" with the benefit of hindsight.

[Mystery Gang]

LBJ's policies were very good, but he was known to have sexually harassed many women that worked in the White House including pulling down his pants to show off his private parts to ladies working there and bragging that he had the largest penis in the US.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

LBJ's policies were very good, but he was known to have sexually harassed many women that worked in the White House including pulling down his pants to show off his private parts to ladies working there and bragging that he had the largest penis in the US.

Now I'm curious. They had cameras back then, right?

[Region of Dwipantara]

Maybe he needed to whip out Jumbo a bit more often?

I mean nearly all incidents of it are basically open sexual harassment with the goal of enforcing dominance, but I'm not sure on whether the result has justified the means in any way.

[Region of Dwipantara]

LBJ's policies were very good, but he was known to have sexually harassed many women that worked in the White House including pulling down his pants to show off his private parts to ladies working there and bragging that he had the largest penis in the US.

Now I'm curious. They had cameras back then, right?

https://historycollection.com/lbj-used- ... eatment/2/ and it'll be worse than what you imagine right now

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Now I'm curious. They had cameras back then, right?

https://historycollection.com/lbj-used- ... eatment/2/ and it'll be worse than what you imagine right now

Er yeah. He whipped out Jumbo for reporters, but it was off the record so none of them took pictures. How quaint.

Somewhere about three quarters through that I realized ... this is why "Johnson" is slang for "penis" isn't it?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Certainly an above average President whose legacy is really overshadowed, rightfully some might say, by Vietnam.

Unfairly, as our intervention in Vietnam was entirely necessary considering the global threat often posed by communist factions.

No it was not necessary. Communism was not gonna take over here because it takes over a country in the global south, and btw, we kinda helped the communists win hearts and minds there with this shit: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-23427726

Turns out the United States was a force for evil in Vietnam. Not the heroic bullshit you often see some claim it was, but is it ever?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Now I'm curious. They had cameras back then, right?

https://historycollection.com/lbj-used- ... eatment/2/ and it'll be worse than what you imagine right now

Seems like he had a thing for sexually harassing the secret service.