Does "Get Off My Side" constitute tampering with evidence?

[Nuroblav]

Only the American liberterian party is die hard capitalist. There are many left wing, anti capitalist liberterians out there like myself.

Yeah that's I specified the Libertarian party (although I could have specified the US one). I also fall into that category of libertarianism (granted I use to have views similar to what you have - I've moved further left economically and slightly more libertarian since).

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Only the American liberterian party is die hard capitalist. There are many left wing, anti capitalist liberterians out there like myself.

i miss the good old days when there was no such thing as libertarian leftists, only bolsheviks and kulaks

Damn, tuff.

[Duvniask]

If anything, the cartoon is highlighting the inherent hypocrisy of the left.

Because the left do not ground themselves in tradition, law or morality, they are forced to migrate between issue to issue, all the while declaring puritanical positions and brigading anyone with slightly dissimilar opinions. You don't support Black Lives Matter, an organisation run by Marxists, how dare you! The left will care about BLM or LGBT rights not because their convictions earnestly drive them to protect the rights of minorities, but because it is fashionable. The left approaches politics with the intention of creating a cultural zeitgeist centered around them rather than effecting actual policy change. This is why the left stress identity politics as much as they do.

If your ideological positions have no moral centre, you are prone to believing whatever the cultural climate or Twitter tells you is acceptable. The left like to project that they are tolerant to blacks, LGBT, and whatnot, but they often perpetuate white saviour narratives to such a degree it would make Rudyard Kipling blush. In reality, as the cartoon demonstrates, the left are only tolerant of minorities if those minorities are tolerant of them. The left are deeply intolerant of those who disagree with them, especially minorities who disagree with them like women or LGBT because the left take it as a given that those people must be on their side.

The left isn't grounded with any moral compass? It isn't the left who currently supports a president that goes against half or more of the things they stand for unlike conservatives in the US. And before you say "but obama," the average person who viewed Obama as a savior was close to the political center. It gave big business an unfallible front to hide behind (cause criticizing Obama is racist and whatnot) and it let certain older white folks feel good about themselves and pretend racism ceased to exist finally when it is not only surviving in America but absolutely thriving. Most truly left wing people viewed Obama as a disappointment and support minorities because we support anyone who is struggling, not because we're virtue signaling.

Stop equating all left wingers with American liberals who aren't even that left wing in reality (unless you think NAFTA, the war in Libya, beating occupy protesters down or the Trans Pacific Trade Deal are left wing ideas).

Don't feed the Summer traveler.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The left isn't grounded with any moral compass? It isn't the left who currently supports a president that goes against half or more of the things they stand for unlike conservatives in the US. And before you say "but obama," the average person who viewed Obama as a savior was close to the political center. It gave big business an unfallible front to hide behind (cause criticizing Obama is racist and whatnot) and it let certain older white folks feel good about themselves and pretend racism ceased to exist finally when it is not only surviving in America but absolutely thriving. Most truly left wing people viewed Obama as a disappointment and support minorities because we support anyone who is struggling, not because we're virtue signaling.

Stop equating all left wingers with American liberals who aren't even that left wing in reality (unless you think NAFTA, the war in Libya, beating occupy protesters down or the Trans Pacific Trade Deal are left wing ideas).

Don't feed the Summer traveler.

I'm trying but he's like the canada geese at the park who peck you and bite you till you feed them.

[SD_Film Artists]

of course it is
god i cannot stand edgy "comedians"

Fuck no. George Carlin was good. If you think being edgy is all there was to him, you're missing out.

I can never respect a man who dislikes golf.

[Galloism]

You know, the number of times I've seen people tell Ostro or Luna they need to get laid by left-leaning posters on this forum alone is enough to choke a horse.

umm that's a weird metaphor

Upon rereading it, you're right.

[-Ra-]

The left isn't grounded with any moral compass? It isn't the left who currently supports a president that goes against half or more of the things they stand for unlike conservatives in the US. And before you say "but obama," the average person who viewed Obama as a savior was close to the political center. It gave big business an unfallible front to hide behind (cause criticizing Obama is racist and whatnot) and it let certain older white folks feel good about themselves and pretend racism ceased to exist finally when it is not only surviving in America but absolutely thriving. Most truly left wing people viewed Obama as a disappointment and support minorities because we support anyone who is struggling, not because we're virtue signaling.

Stop equating all left wingers with American liberals who aren't even that left wing in reality (unless you think NAFTA, the war in Libya, beating occupy protesters down or the Trans Pacific Trade Deal are left wing ideas).

The Left use the "morality" defense only when it suits their political agenda. Because the Left fundamentally rejects tradition and societal norms, they cannot be said to have any concrete sense of morality. The only thing moral for the Left is whatever advances their agenda. Leftism should not be understood as an ideology, but rather as a movement against society. I begin to argue about this here, but am by no means finished.

I'm not confusing left-wingers with liberals. I'm a liberal conservative myself in the tradition of most European conservatives. Classical liberalism is the ideology of freedom and democracy. Liberalism the bedrock of modern-day society. The same cannot be said of the left.

[Ifreann]

"The left are bad because they reject tradition", I explain, "But I am good because I adhere to the values of modern society"

[Vassenor]

So mainstream I've never seen them anywhere.

Than you are either blind, sheltered or both. Either way I envy you.

Or you're making shit up for the sake of a narrative.

[-Ra-]

Or you're making shit up for the sake of a narrative.

Congrats, you've just realised what you're doing!

[The New California Republic]

Or you're making shit up for the sake of a narrative.

Congrats, you've just realised what you're doing!

"I know you are but what am I?" in other words?

[Picairn]

Congrats, you've just realised what you're doing!

It takes one to know one, except that in this case only a party is at fault.

[The Two Jerseys]

How on Earth do you get "tampering with evidence" out of "I don't want hypocrites on my team"?

[Vassenor]

Or you're making shit up for the sake of a narrative.

Congrats, you've just realised what you're doing!

[Kowani]

The left isn't grounded with any moral compass? It isn't the left who currently supports a president that goes against half or more of the things they stand for unlike conservatives in the US. And before you say "but obama," the average person who viewed Obama as a savior was close to the political center. It gave big business an unfallible front to hide behind (cause criticizing Obama is racist and whatnot) and it let certain older white folks feel good about themselves and pretend racism ceased to exist finally when it is not only surviving in America but absolutely thriving. Most truly left wing people viewed Obama as a disappointment and support minorities because we support anyone who is struggling, not because we're virtue signaling.

Stop equating all left wingers with American liberals who aren't even that left wing in reality (unless you think NAFTA, the war in Libya, beating occupy protesters down or the Trans Pacific Trade Deal are left wing ideas).

The Left use the "morality" defense only when it suits their political agenda. Because the Left fundamentally rejects tradition and societal norms, they cannot be said to have any concrete sense of morality. The only thing moral for the Left is whatever advances their agenda. Leftism should not be understood as an ideology, but rather as a movement against society. I begin to argue about this here, but am by no means finished.

Even if we refuse to play the game of this being true or not, it’s self-contradictory if you think about it for more than 2 minutes.

I'm not confusing left-wingers with liberals. I'm a liberal conservative myself in the tradition of most European conservatives. Classical liberalism is the ideology of freedom and democracy. Liberalism the bedrock of modern-day society. The same cannot be said of the left.

Leftism is the logical continuation of Enlightenment Thought, actually.

[-Ra-]

Even if we refuse to play the game of this being true or not, it’s self-contradictory if you think about it for more than 2 minutes.

It isn't.

Leftism is the logical continuation of Enlightenment Thought, actually.

No, liberalism is the logical continuation of Enlightenment thought. Leftism is the extension of radicalism in the French Revolution. The same radicalism that resulted in the Reign of Terror that killed over 10,000 people, established Star Chamber courts and created a power vacuum that led to the rise of fucking Napoleon.

[Necroghastia]

What the... tampering with evidence? Of what? This is, not gonna lie, the most incomprehensible OP I've seen, and I'm counting those "practical explanation of next life" spammers.

[Kowani]

Even if we refuse to play the game of this being true or not, it’s self-contradictory if you think about it for more than 2 minutes.

It isn't.

It is. Think: Leftists would consider that in line with their ideology to be morally good, as well as that which advances it. They would, in contrast, consider things that go contrary to or prevent the fulfillment of it to be morally wrong.

Leftism is the logical continuation of Enlightenment Thought, actually.

No, liberalism is the logical continuation of Enlightenment thought. Leftism is the extension of radicalism in the French Revolution. The same radicalism that resulted in the Reign of Terror that killed over 10,000 people, established Star Chamber courts and created a power vacuum that led to the rise of fucking Napoleon.

Mate, if you don’t think the French Revolution was based on enlightenment thought, I have some nice beach property in Kazakhstan to sell you.

[Cordel One]

Even if we refuse to play the game of this being true or not, it’s self-contradictory if you think about it for more than 2 minutes.

It isn't.

Leftism is the logical continuation of Enlightenment Thought, actually.

No, liberalism is the logical continuation of Enlightenment thought. Leftism is the extension of radicalism in the French Revolution. The same radicalism that resulted in the Reign of Terror that killed over 10,000 people, established Star Chamber courts and created a power vacuum that led to the rise of fucking Napoleon.

Leftism existed long before the French Revolution. Just about every battle for for civil rights and equality is leftist in nature.

[-Ra-]

Leftism existed long before the French Revolution. Just about every battle for for civil rights and equality is leftist in nature.

This is false. The conception of the left-wing arose in the heyday of the French Revolution. Left-wing politics didn't exist before that, as I begin to discuss here.

Liberalism as a political ideology was formally articulated by John Locke in 1689.

Liberalism =/= the left. Liberalism is a centre or centre-right ideology. Just about every battle for civil rights and equality is liberal in nature

[Forsher]

I... I've read the OP several times now. I still don't understand how it works. What does "get off my side" have to do with evidence? What evidence? How is it tampered with?

I have to be honest, I have no idea what that was even supposed to mean.

The collective (in this case liberals) should be held responsible for any badly-chosen words by any one of them, meaning one of them disagreeing with another about said words, constitutes the collective tampering with evidence of its own hypocrisy.

Failure to hive-mind, liberal fail.

So... it's a very extreme form of "gatekeeping sucks and is the basis for no true scotsman fallacies, which are in turn used to try and gatekeep"?

I mean... literally none of those arguments are political. It's like someone who supports Liverpool because they won the League last season complaining about people who support Liverpool because they come from Liverpool. The fan (OP) is, following this explanation, talking about two completely different approaches ("fair weather fandom" & "geographical loyalty" vs "leftist arguments" & "disliking personal characteristics") and trying to use their internal logics that have absolutely 0 capability to say something about the external merits of the other (even as adherents of one approach can reject the other's validity).

[Cordel One]

Leftism existed long before the French Revolution. Just about every battle for for civil rights and equality is leftist in nature.

This is false. The conception of the left-wing arose in the heyday of the French Revolution. Left-wing politics didn't exist before that, as I begin to discuss here.

Liberalism as a political ideology was formally articulated by John Locke in 1689.

Liberalism =/= the left. Liberalism is a centre or centre-right ideology. Just about every battle for civil rights and equality is liberal in nature

The term "left" originated in the French Revolution but leftist ideals are much older.

[-Ra-]

The term "left" originated in the French Revolution but leftist ideals are much older.

This is incorrect. Leftist ideals originated in the French revolution.

[Necroghastia]

The term "left" originated in the French Revolution but leftist ideals are much older.

This is incorrect. Leftist ideals originated in the French revolution.

That just says the term originated there.

[Vassenor]

The term "left" originated in the French Revolution but leftist ideals are much older.

This is incorrect. Leftist ideals originated in the French revolution.

Apparently Thomas Paine is a Frenchman now.