Possible Revolution in Belarus after Rigged election

[Dresderstan]

You know, Lukashenko is bad, but his opponent is a coward. She should be leading the negotiations between herself and him, not fleeing the country to Lithuania while her husband is in prison and her supporters are getting ready to die.

He is never going to negotiate with her. He is desperate to hang onto power no matter what.

The she is a coward who will let her supporters die for nought.

[San Lumen]

He is never going to negotiate with her. He is desperate to hang onto power no matter what.

The she is a coward who will let her supporters die for nought.

How is she a coward if he won't negotiate with her. He doesn't care how many people he kills or brutally injures as long as he gets to stay in his cushy palace.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Well, then I don't know what she is at this point. The closest is a violent but cowardly revolutionary who wants people to die so she can be president. And considering she stated that one of her top goals is freeing her husband, this is starting to sound like nepotism. The best course of action would be to negotiate a favorable deal where civil rights will be enshrined in the constitution, and she becomes Prime Minister. If Lukashenko starts a purge alongisde a massive crackdown though...

He is never going to allow that and she wouldnt want to serve as prime minister under him.

She stated at one point she started negotiations. Guess she decided that blood must be shed. For now, negotiations will be the least likely outcome, but one person already died.

[Dresderstan]

The she is a coward who will let her supporters die for nought.

How is she a coward if he won't negotiate with her. He doesn't care how many people he kills or brutally injures as long as he gets to stay in his cushy palace.

Neither does she apparently.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

The she is a coward who will let her supporters die for nought.

How is she a coward if he won't negotiate with her. He doesn't care how many people he kills or brutally injures as long as he gets to stay in his cushy palace.

She ran away to Lithuania. Her husband won't get that luxury, will he? And the people who support her? If she wants a peaceful solution or to be in power, she needs to be a unifying symbol for the movement.

[San Lumen]

He is never going to allow that and she wouldnt want to serve as prime minister under him.

She stated at one point she started negotiations. Guess she decided that blood must be shed. For now, negotiations will be the least likely outcome, but one person already died.

The people want him out. His crackdown shows negotiations arent possible. I hope within the next few days or weeks his palace is ransacked and he gets dragged out.

[Dresderstan]

She stated at one point she started negotiations. Guess she decided that blood must be shed. For now, negotiations will be the least likely outcome, but one person already died.

The people want him out. His crackdown shows negotiations arent possible. I hope within the next few days or weeks his palace is ransacked and he gets dragged out.

And her running to Lithuania and letting her husband rot in prison while she laps up the luxury, no comment?

[Shofercia]

The legitimate vinner of the elections Svyatlana Tsikhanouskaya is moving to Lithuania in order to avoid regime's repressions.

Well, that's it - Belarus now is Venezuella 2.0. Expect country-wide TP shortages in about... now.

P.S. The silence of the POTUS, his StateSec and the GOP in this matter is deafening. Perhaps, they are secretely wishing for their own stormtrooper goon squads beating protesters into a pulp with no restraint. but what do I know about their thought process? The Democrats are the only ones who are demanding new harsh sanctions.

Obama's sanctions boosted Putin's popularity in Russia, and Belarus' economy is doing reasonably well, so I don't foresee a TP shortage.

Adam Schiff:

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/statu ... 4931699718

Reps Robert Menendes, Eliot Engel and Jim Risch (so far - the only Republican) are all calling for Lukashenka to stop the violence, make election results honest and transparent or GTFO.

Biden is expressing his support for protesters and demands recount of the votes.

Meanwhile Trump is... uhm... running away from the press (again)?

Adam Schiff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7mzoZvSbAM

There won't be a revolution because there was no rigged election.

The CIS mission has not registered any facts that could call the legitimacy of the presidential election into question. The CIS mission finds that the 9 August presidential election was conducted in compliance with the Constitution and the Electoral Code of Belarus. The election was open, competitive and ensured the free expression of the will of citizens of Belarus.

Translation: "dear West, even though we know Lukashenko rigged it, kindly get your hands off of Belarus. Love, hugs, and kisses, Pootie-Poot"

America doesn’t want anything to do with Belarus

Much of the top brass can't even find Belarus on a map I bet.

Yep.

That's not how it works. If america wants a revolution it gets a revolution.

No I think the people of of Belarus want a revolution.

No, they don't. They want a fair election and better leadership, but they don't want a revolution, and aren't willing to go as far as a revolution to get it. That's why the opposition leaders were calling for peaceful protests. The ones who want a revolution are Neoliberals who know nothing about Belarus.

There aren't newspapers in Russia which are anti-Putin, silly.

Well, apparently there are now. Plus, this isn't pro-Putin or anti-Putin. Based on what it said, it seems one pro-Kremlin(Komsomolskay Pravda) network said the people were insulted and implied it thought the vote rigged, though there was one where I do get the feeling they're saying Lukashenko won fair(that being the RT).

Actually, why do some people call him Lukashenko and others Lukashenka?

Telc was being sarcastic. He knew that Moscow Times is anti-Putin, and has negligible impact on any actual decisions that are made in Russia.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/10/1968221/-There-is-a-revolution-in-Belarus-This-is-important-for-us-in-the-United-States?utm_campaign=trending

The country is in apparent chaos at the moment. It is a daily kos link but there are quite a few videos showing what is occurring. protesters are building barricades in the center of Minsk, drivers are blocking police and special forces vehicles, and there are less police in riot gear as protests grow.

Article that toes the line about 3% actually being a legit number, says there's a revolution.



If his approval was actually that low, he'd simply be couped.

America doesn’t want anything to do with Belarus

I'm sure expanding NATO to the Russian border would be in America's interest. Assuming, of course, this administration has any intention of countering Russian influence.

Solidifying the Russo-Chinese alliance would be in America's interest? With advisers like that, who needs enemies?

[San Lumen]

The legitimate vinner of the elections Svyatlana Tsikhanouskaya is moving to Lithuania in order to avoid regime's repressions.

Well, that's it - Belarus now is Venezuella 2.0. Expect country-wide TP shortages in about... now.

P.S. The silence of the POTUS, his StateSec and the GOP in this matter is deafening. Perhaps, they are secretely wishing for their own stormtrooper goon squads beating protesters into a pulp with no restraint. but what do I know about their thought process? The Democrats are the only ones who are demanding new harsh sanctions.

Obama's sanctions boosted Putin's popularity in Russia, and Belarus' economy is doing quite well, so I don't foresee a TP shortage.

Adam Schiff:

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/statu ... 4931699718

Reps Robert Menendes, Eliot Engel and Jim Risch (so far - the only Republican) are all calling for Lukashenka to stop the violence, make election results honest and transparent or GTFO.

Biden is expressing his support for protesters and demands recount of the votes.

Meanwhile Trump is... uhm... running away from the press (again)?

Adam Schiff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7mzoZvSbAM

There won't be a revolution because there was no rigged election.

Translation: "dear West, even though we know Lukashenko rigged it, kindly get your hands off of Belarus. Love, hugs, and kisses, Pootie-Poot"

Much of the top brass can't even find Belarus on a map I bet.

Yep.

No I think the people of of Belarus want a revolution.

No, they don't. They want a fair election and better leadership, but they don't want a revolution, and aren't willing to go as far as a revolution to get it. That's why the opposition leaders were calling for peaceful protests. The ones who want a revolution are Neoliberals who know nothing about Belarus.

Well, apparently there are now. Plus, this isn't pro-Putin or anti-Putin. Based on what it said, it seems one pro-Kremlin(Komsomolskay Pravda) network said the people were insulted and implied it thought the vote rigged, though there was one where I do get the feeling they're saying Lukashenko won fair(that being the RT).

Actually, why do some people call him Lukashenko and others Lukashenka?

Telc was being sarcastic. He knew that Moscow Times is anti-Putin, and has negligible impact on any actual decisions that are made in Russia.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/10/1968221/-There-is-a-revolution-in-Belarus-This-is-important-for-us-in-the-United-States?utm_campaign=trending

The country is in apparent chaos at the moment. It is a daily kos link but there are quite a few videos showing what is occurring. protesters are building barricades in the center of Minsk, drivers are blocking police and special forces vehicles, and there are less police in riot gear as protests grow.

Article that toes the line about 3% actually being a legit number, says there's a revolution.



If his approval was actually that low, he'd simply be couped.

I'm sure expanding NATO to the Russian border would be in America's interest. Assuming, of course, this administration has any intention of countering Russian influence.

Solidifying the Russo-Chinese alliance would be in America's interest? With advisers like that, who needs enemies?

if the military supports him there won't be a coup but there is evidenced that could be changing. As protests grow less and less police are being seen in riot gear.

[Post War America]

She stated at one point she started negotiations. Guess she decided that blood must be shed. For now, negotiations will be the least likely outcome, but one person already died.

The people want him out. His crackdown shows negotiations arent possible. I hope within the next few days or weeks his palace is ransacked and he gets dragged out.

I find it amusing that you're all kinds of hawkish about revolutionary direct action in places where you will never personally have to suffer the negative impact of the violence, but then whinge about the same revolutionary direct action being done in the US.

[Shofercia]

Article that toes the line about 3% actually being a legit number, says there's a revolution.



If his approval was actually that low, he'd simply be couped.

if the military supports him there won't be a coup but there is evidenced that could be changing. As protests grow less and less police are being seen in riot gear.

Name a single Eastern European country where the leadership's rating was in the single digits, and the military supported the president. Just one. Go ahead I'll wait.

[San Lumen]

if the military supports him there won't be a coup but there is evidenced that could be changing. As protests grow less and less police are being seen in riot gear.

Name a single Eastern European country where the leadership's rating was in the single digits, and the military supported the president. Just one. Go ahead I'll wait.

If they are loyal to him why would they care what his approval rating is?

[Dresderstan]

The people want him out. His crackdown shows negotiations arent possible. I hope within the next few days or weeks his palace is ransacked and he gets dragged out.

I find it amusing that you're all kinds of hawkish about revolutionary direct action in places where you will never personally have to suffer the negative impact of the violence, but then whinge about the same revolutionary direct action being done in the US.

Me and Therm have already reemed him about this and he has nothing say at all, we all know why.

[Dresderstan]

Name a single Eastern European country where the leadership's rating was in the single digits, and the military supported the president. Just one. Go ahead I'll wait.

If they are loyal to him why would they care what his approval rating is?

How about stop dodging and answer the question?

[Kowani]

Name a single Eastern European country where the leadership's rating was in the single digits, and the military supported the president. Just one. Go ahead I'll wait.

If they are loyal to him why would they care what his approval rating is?

Approval Ratings don’t happen in a vacuum

[Shofercia]

Name a single Eastern European country where the leadership's rating was in the single digits, and the military supported the president. Just one. Go ahead I'll wait.

If they are loyal to him why would they care what his approval rating is?

The military usually wants whats best for the country, but is unsure how to get it. If 97% of the country disapprove, then anyone can understand that what you're doing is bad for the country, irrespective of how many times Neoliberals refer to that as the "Birthpangs of Democracy" or other such bullshit. And even if that's not the case, I've never seen an Eastern European military, in the modern age, support a leader whose approval rating is in the single digits.

On the other hand, if his approval rating is 45%, since the intelligent and semi-intelligent polls I've seen rank him between 30% and 60% I'm just taking the middle number, then the military would prefer order to chaos, even if the majority, in this case 55%, want him out.

If they are loyal to him why would they care what his approval rating is?

How about stop dodging and answer the question?

Since I'm enjoying your posts: viewtopic.php?p=36715870#p36715870

[Bienenhalde]

Don't you think the world will respect us more if we actually have the strength and courage to fight for our ideals?

Looking back on the past two decades of us intervening and fighting for our "ideals", no it just makes everyone hate us even more and creates more failed democracies.

I guess the west is damned no matter what we do, aren't we? If we don't intervene the tyrants and their defenders mock us as ineffectual peaceniks who are all talk and no action. If we do intervene they accuse us of being warmongers. Maybe we should just stand up for our ideals and do what is right instead of just trying to placate through appeasement the people who hate our freedoms.

[Loben III]

Looking back on the past two decades of us intervening and fighting for our "ideals", no it just makes everyone hate us even more and creates more failed democracies.

I guess the west is damned no matter what we do, aren't we? If we don't intervene the tyrants and their defenders mock us as ineffectual peaceniks who are all talk and no action. If we do intervene they accuse us of being warmongers. Maybe we should just stand up for our ideals and do what is right instead of just trying to placate through appeasement the people who hate our freedoms.

i have an idea.

Abolish NATO and leave the EU to rot.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Looking back on the past two decades of us intervening and fighting for our "ideals", no it just makes everyone hate us even more and creates more failed democracies.

I guess the west is damned no matter what we do, aren't we? If we don't intervene the tyrants and their defenders mock us as ineffectual peaceniks who are all talk and no action. If we do intervene they accuse us of being warmongers. Maybe we should just stand up for our ideals and do what is right instead of just trying to placate through appeasement the people who hate our freedoms.

The more America meddle sin this the more likely it makes World War Three. The only way a democratic government in Belarus will survive is by distancing itself from the west.Western support will cause Russia to react. It's a tricky situation-because Russia might decide to back down because of fear, or it might decide it has the upper hand and attack, which will cause World War Three. And if Russia cuts the oil supply, the chances of America loosing, and Europe falling to Russia increase. You consider Russia a tyrant, so that wouldn't be good for you.

[Thermodolia]

Looking back on the past two decades of us intervening and fighting for our "ideals", no it just makes everyone hate us even more and creates more failed democracies.

I guess the west is damned no matter what we do, aren't we? If we don't intervene the tyrants and their defenders mock us as ineffectual peaceniks who are all talk and no action. If we do intervene they accuse us of being warmongers. Maybe we should just stand up for our ideals and do what is right instead of just trying to placate through appeasement the people who hate our freedoms.

Maybe we shouldn’t get involved with “spreading democracy”?

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I guess the west is damned no matter what we do, aren't we? If we don't intervene the tyrants and their defenders mock us as ineffectual peaceniks who are all talk and no action. If we do intervene they accuse us of being warmongers. Maybe we should just stand up for our ideals and do what is right instead of just trying to placate through appeasement the people who hate our freedoms.

i have an idea.

Abolish NATO and leave the EU to rot.

I mean, NATO did do some good things. It polices China, it keeps Europe stable. I guess America might decide to just make an allaince of English nations between Itself, Canada, and Britain. Maybe Add Australia and New Zealand. And you got CAABZ(Canada, America, Australia, Britain, Zealand)

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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/10/1968221/-There-is-a-revolution-in-Belarus-This-is-important-for-us-in-the-United-States?utm_campaign=trending

The country is in apparent chaos at the moment. It is a daily kos link but there are quite a few videos showing what is occurring. protesters are building barricades in the center of Minsk, drivers are blocking police and special forces vehicles, and there are less police in riot gear as protests grow.

You know, Lukashenko is bad, but his opponent is a coward. She should be leading the negotiations between herself and him, not fleeing the country to Lithuania while her husband is in prison and her supporters are getting ready to die.

Almost as if she values her life.

[Bienenhalde]

He is never going to negotiate with her. He is desperate to hang onto power no matter what.

The she is a coward who will let her supporters die for nought.

I don't think it is that simple. I mean, it can be good for leader's to make sacrifices for their people, but it is no good to sacrifice oneself if there is not likely to be any meaningful benefit from such an action. If a leader being killed or imprisoned leaves their movement to be neutralized without any strong or effective leadership, what good is that?

[Loben III]

i have an idea.

Abolish NATO and leave the EU to rot.

I mean, NATO did do some good things. It polices China, it keeps Europe stable. I guess America might decide to just make an allaince of English nations between Itself, Canada, and Britain. Maybe Add Australia and New Zealand. And you got CAABZ(Canada, America, Australia, Britain, Zealand)

i care little for Europe.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Adam Schiff:

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/statu ... 4931699718

Reps Robert Menendes, Eliot Engel and Jim Risch (so far - the only Republican) are all calling for Lukashenka to stop the violence, make election results honest and transparent or GTFO.

Biden is expressing his support for protesters and demands recount of the votes.

Meanwhile Trump is... uhm... running away from the press (again)?

Based Trump.