Possible Revolution in Belarus after Rigged election

[Loben III]

With what?

They have nothing to fight back with.

Which is exactly why the west should intervene on their behalf.

and fight russia?

[Bienenhalde]

Europeans shouldn't blame the EU for a war that Putin started.

But the Russians blamed the Tsar for a war they were told Germany started, didn't they?

Unfortunately, yes. But at least Tsar Nicholas died as a righteous martyr rather than compromise on his ideals.

[Bienenhalde]

Which is exactly why the west should intervene on their behalf.

and fight russia?

That depends on whether or not Russia chooses to attack us. But yeah, I don't want surrender or appeasement, I want us to fight back against Putin's bullying.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

But the Russians blamed the Tsar for a war they were told Germany started, didn't they?

Unfortunately, yes. But at least Tsar Nicholas died as a righteous martyr rather than compromise on his ideals.

Agreed. However, we can't stop the people from acting out in their interest. It's a sad truth. This WW3 will be more mobile version of World War One-because there will be no villains. Just nations acting in their interests.

[Post War America]

and fight russia?

That depends on whether or not Russia chooses to attack us. But yeah, I don't want surrender or appeasement, I want us to fight back against Putin's bullying.

And are you willing personally to die for your war?

[Loben III]

and fight russia?

That depends on whether or not Russia chooses to attack us. But yeah, I don't want surrender or appeasement, I want us to fight back against Putin's bullying.

do it yourself then.

[Outer Acharet]

Putin was the KGB's golden boy. He's a sociopath and a genius politician. He's smart enough to tow the line just short of total war, and his goal for the past 20 years has been expanding Russian dominance globally. He won't back down unless he has to.

I suppose so. The question is whether or not he thinks it is in his best interest to start World War III.

He probably doesn't. But even then, Russia marched into the Crimea and sanctions were the harshest punishment they got. They still hold that territory. They might try something similar citing "a threat to national stability on our very border".

[Bienenhalde]

I am sure we can temporarily surrender such petty luxuries for the sake of the greater good.

Are you personally willing to fight and die in such a conflict?

[Heloin]

I am sure we can temporarily surrender such petty luxuries for the sake of the greater good.

Are you personally willing to fight and die in such a conflict?

The bravery of volunteering other people to fight and die.

But the Russians blamed the Tsar for a war they were told Germany started, didn't they?

Unfortunately, yes. But at least Tsar Nicholas died as a righteous martyr rather than compromise on his ideals.

Good joke.

[Bienenhalde]

Unfortunately, yes. But at least Tsar Nicholas died as a righteous martyr rather than compromise on his ideals.

Agreed. However, we can't stop the people from acting out in their interest. It's a sad truth. This WW3 will be more mobile version of World War One-because there will be no villains. Just nations acting in their interests.

>Implying Putin and Xi are not villains.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Are you personally willing to fight and die in such a conflict?

I mean, at least you act brave, unlike San Lumen. If the worst does come to pass, please don't do anything horrible to the civilians. In case.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Agreed. However, we can't stop the people from acting out in their interest. It's a sad truth. This WW3 will be more mobile version of World War One-because there will be no villains. Just nations acting in their interests.

>Implying Putin and Xi are not villains.

It can be argued that Putin is what the Russian people want by some others. That alone leaves the possibility of him not being a villain. Also, i doubt China will intervene on Russia's side. India maybe, since Pakistan is an American ally.

[Post War America]

Are you personally willing to fight and die in such a conflict?

Second question are you even in a country even remotely close to Belarus?

[Bienenhalde]

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I mean, at least you act brave, unlike San Lumen. If the worst does come to pass, please don't do anything horrible to the civilians. In case.

Of course not. I am acting out of principle, not some kind of twisted desire for senseless destruction. Ironically, many of the people who claim to be so opposed to war see nothing wrong with dictators commiting horrible atrocities within their own countries.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Second question are you even in a country even remotely close to Belarus?

I mean, technically that doesn't matter. Almost every country around it is NATO. He could be in America and just shipped to the frontlines if he wants to fight so badly.

[Post War America]

Second question are you even in a country even remotely close to Belarus?

I mean, technically that doesn't matter. Almost every country around it is NATO. He could be in America and just shipped to the frontlines if he wants to fight so badly.

True, I just find it galling that people with no personal stake call for wars that they personally won't suffer the consequences for.

[Outer Acharet]

>Implying Putin and Xi are not villains.

It can be argued that Putin is what the Russian people want by some others. That alone leaves the possibility of him not being a villain. Also, i doubt China will intervene on Russia's side. India maybe, since Pakistan is an American ally.

Putin is widely supported by Russians due to the economic revival his leadership has caused, even if it's most likely a simple outgrowth of no longer being an inefficient, sprawling command economy.
Also
>pakistan is us ally
>gib ur drugs pls i want what ur smoking

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I mean, technically that doesn't matter. Almost every country around it is NATO. He could be in America and just shipped to the frontlines if he wants to fight so badly.

True, I just find it galling that people with no personal stake call for wars that they personally won't suffer the consequences for.

To be fair, he'd likely have to work in a factory if he is of age. And it's possible that his country could fall into economic trouble if they loose the war.

[Bienenhalde]

I mean, technically that doesn't matter. Almost every country around it is NATO. He could be in America and just shipped to the frontlines if he wants to fight so badly.

True, I just find it galling that people with no personal stake call for wars that they personally won't suffer the consequences for.

I don't know if I would be a particularly good soldier, but I wouldn't mind suffering or even dying if I could thereby make a meaningful contribution to stopping the forces of evil in this world.

[Outer Acharet]

True, I just find it galling that people with no personal stake call for wars that they personally won't suffer the consequences for.

I don't know if I would be a particularly good soldier, but I wouldn't mind suffering or even dying if I could thereby make a meaningful contribution to stopping the forces of evil in this world.

You're better than me then, good on you.

[Shofercia]

No, I mean that they'll stop protesting. Belarus has over 100,000 irregular forces that would pose a challenge to Russian & American armed forces, so they'll easily take care of the protesters if called upon. And Russia will prevent any foreign military interference.

Then everyone should stop paying any taxes and stop going to work. Bankrupt the country. His own staff should walk out

They shouldn’t stop. Attack his security forces with anything possible even cars and trucks

Unarmed conscript vs trained soldier... I wonder, how will that engagement go?

Then everyone should stop paying any taxes and stop going to work. Bankrupt the country. His own staff should walk out

So why can't we do that here, you bitch about us saying it'd bankrupt the economy if we went on a general strike? You care more about your precious luxuries like bars and gyms, but only if it effects you and then turn to Belarus and want them to do what Therm wants here, it's downright hypocrisy for you to call for people in Belarus to protest, and then worry about your precious luxuries and the economy here. Make up your fucking mind!

Because hypocrisy is part of the neoliberal platform, it's their main plank.

Debatable.

Still do you want to risk economic collapse if the EU attempts to not back down in the face of Russia?

So what if the economy collapses? Some things are more important than economics.

I heard Congo's doing great this time of year.

With what?

They have nothing to fight back with.

They can use cars and trucks.

Against RPGs?

How will the Europeans fund a military if their oil is running out, they're at war, and their economy is in free fall? There will be a Russian advance in that case. And guess what started the Russian revolutions? A poor economy and loosing the war.

Europeans shouldn't blame the EU for a war that Putin started.

Fairly certain that attacking an ally counts as you starting the war, not the other way around. You're arguing the equivalent of "if Putin attacked the Baltics and NATO responded, NATO started the war" - that's just plain idiotic.

"Observe comrades, shirtless gopnik drop like sack of bricks when shot with rubber bullet. Lesson is always wear body armor!"

"you see comrade, this man would still be conscious if he didnt listen to European propaganda!"

With what?

They have nothing to fight back with.

Which is exactly why the west should intervene on their behalf.

And start WWIII. Yeah, that's not happening.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

It can be argued that Putin is what the Russian people want by some others. That alone leaves the possibility of him not being a villain. Also, i doubt China will intervene on Russia's side. India maybe, since Pakistan is an American ally.

Putin is widely supported by Russians due to the economic revival his leadership has caused, even if it's most likely a simple outgrowth of no longer being an inefficient, sprawling command economy.
Also
>pakistan is us ally
>gib ur drugs pls i want what ur smoking

I mean, it isn't as close as Japan and America, but it does help counter terrorist activity in the region. Add to that the fact Russia helps India economically and an Indian intervention is possible. This does, however, rick the possibility of China entering the war on the American side.

[Outer Acharet]

Putin is widely supported by Russians due to the economic revival his leadership has caused, even if it's most likely a simple outgrowth of no longer being an inefficient, sprawling command economy.
Also
>pakistan is us ally
>gib ur drugs pls i want what ur smoking

I mean, it isn't as close as Japan and America, but it does help counter terrorist activity in the region. Add to that the fact Russia helps India economically and an Indian intervention is possible. This does, however, rick the possibility of China entering the war on the American side.

I may be misinformed, but I understood US-Pakistani relations were strained due to Pakistan harboring terrorists. And yeah, Russia and India are related economically (India has more T-90 MBTs than Russia does) but their opposition to China makes them allies of convenience for the US. At the least, there's no bad blood between the US and India as of right now, I think.

[Shofercia]

Putin was the KGB's golden boy. He's a sociopath and a genius politician. He's smart enough to tow the line just short of total war, and his goal for the past 20 years has been expanding Russian dominance globally. He won't back down unless he has to.

I suppose so. The question is whether or not he thinks it is in his best interest to start World War III.

It is if you're attacking his ally.

But the Russians blamed the Tsar for a war they were told Germany started, didn't they?

Unfortunately, yes. But at least Tsar Nicholas died as a righteous martyr rather than compromise on his ideals.

If you want to die as a righteous martyr - go for it. If you want to drag the country into civil war, please don't.

and fight russia?

That depends on whether or not Russia chooses to attack us. But yeah, I don't want surrender or appeasement, I want us to fight back against Putin's bullying.

EU sends in forces to Belarus. Russia destroys said forces with missiles. Europeans, unlike most Americans, understand geography, and are likely to ask: "what the fuck were our troops doing in Belarus?"

True, I just find it galling that people with no personal stake call for wars that they personally won't suffer the consequences for.

I don't know if I would be a particularly good soldier, but I wouldn't mind suffering or even dying if I could thereby make a meaningful contribution to stopping the forces of evil in this world.

Ukraine going west made a very meaningful contribution... to North Korea's nuclear research.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

What can I say except Sic Semper Tyrannis?