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San Lumen wrote:

Dresderstan wrote:Lumen doesn't care anymore, he views destroying any dictatorship regardless as "for the greater good" and "the ends justify the means" bullshit while forgetting that thousands will die in the process but it doesn't matter to him.

Toppling Lukashenko would be for the greater good. Hes a monster.

At any cost you say? What happens when the replacement goes right along with everything Russia wants?

Aureumterra wrote:Lumen, this title is probably the most laughable hyperbole ever. There is not a chance for an actual revolution, not even a coup, Lukashenko has a tight grip over the military and the country’s institutions, in a place where civilians aren’t armed, that’s all it takes to remain in power for life

Then attack the military in masse and break into government institutions.

Thermodolia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Toppling Lukashenko would be for the greater good. Hes a monster.

At any cost you say? What happens when the replacement goes right along with everything Russia wants?

refuse to accept them either.

Punished UMN wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
If enough people rise up their is only so much they can do.

Yes, but only if the army joins in.

Belarus has a universal conscription based army, which are often pretty unreliable for putting down uprisings, given the average random conscript is often reluctant to shoot their own people.
If a large portion of the population wants him gone, a large portion of people in the army probably do as well.

Thermodolia wrote:

Punished UMN wrote:Opinion polling is illegal in Belarus, and internet censorship is massive. There's just not enough sample size for a reliable poll. I can't know of course. Give it a month. If he's gone in a month, that's that, if he's still there in a month, he'll either win or it will be very bloody.

He’s not leaving. Russia will make sure of that. If they have to have T-90s rolling into Minsk to keep him in power, then that’s what will happen

Suddenly "Tankie" is a relevant term again

Aureumterra wrote:Lumen, this title is probably the most laughable hyperbole ever. There is not a chance for an actual revolution, not even a coup, Lukashenko has a tight grip over the military and the country’s institutions, in a place where civilians aren’t armed, that’s all it takes to remain in power for life

Not to mention it’s a country that Russia considers vital to her national defense. If they have to Russia will step in

San Lumen wrote:

Aureumterra wrote:Lumen, this title is probably the most laughable hyperbole ever. There is not a chance for an actual revolution, not even a coup, Lukashenko has a tight grip over the military and the country’s institutions, in a place where civilians aren’t armed, that’s all it takes to remain in power for life

Then attack the military in masse and break into government institutions.

With what, their fists, they don't have any fucking weapons!

Dresderstan wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Then attack the military in masse and break into government institutions.

With what, their fists, they don't have any fucking weapons!

any means nesscary. Crash cars into them throw molotov cocktails.

San Lumen wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:At any cost you say? What happens when the replacement goes right along with everything Russia wants?

refuse to accept them either.

And then you’ll have a permanent Russian force in Belarus

San Lumen wrote:

Aureumterra wrote:Lumen, this title is probably the most laughable hyperbole ever. There is not a chance for an actual revolution, not even a coup, Lukashenko has a tight grip over the military and the country’s institutions, in a place where civilians aren’t armed, that’s all it takes to remain in power for life

Then attack the military in masse and break into government institutions.

Now your just going into fantasy

Novus America wrote:

Punished UMN wrote:Yes, but only if the army joins in.

Belarus has a universal conscription based army, which are often pretty unreliable for putting down uprisings, given the average random conscript is often reluctant to shoot their own people.
If a large portion of the population wants him gone, a large portion of people in the army probably do as well.

Yes, but how large is the question. It needs to be an overwhelming majority, like in 1991.

Thermodolia wrote:

Novus America wrote:
Not so sure about that because Russia is not on great terms with him, they might remove him to place a more pliable puppet in his place if the opportunity arises.

Right but you’ll still get T-90s in the streets. Russia doesn’t want Belarus to be a democracy. That could lead it out of Russia’s orbit. They’ll roll tanks in and do a Dictator switch-a-roo

True, no arguments there. He is a dick, but should instability happen (might, might not) little green men will almost certainly show up.

Thermodolia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:refuse to accept them either.

And then you’ll have a permanent Russian force in Belarus

I don;'t think the EU is going to stand for that.

San Lumen wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:And then you’ll have a permanent Russian force in Belarus

I don;'t think the EU is going to stand for that.

What would they do about it?

San Lumen wrote:

Aureumterra wrote:Lumen, this title is probably the most laughable hyperbole ever. There is not a chance for an actual revolution, not even a coup, Lukashenko has a tight grip over the military and the country’s institutions, in a place where civilians aren’t armed, that’s all it takes to remain in power for life

Then attack the military in masse and break into government institutions.

Okay… Belarus isn’t like the US where civilians have guns…

Punished UMN wrote:

San Lumen wrote:I don;'t think the EU is going to stand for that.

What would they do about it?

Perhaps step in and force Russia to leave the country.

San Lumen wrote:

Dresderstan wrote:With what, their fists, they don't have any fucking weapons!

any means nesscary. Crash cars into them throw molotov cocktails.

What you'd be advocating for is a Belarusian version of suicidal terrorists willing to die for their country/cause, and be killed by Russian mercs and Belarusian military, your ideas of overthrowing this regime is patheitc and weak and will not come to fruition.

Lukashenko gonna do Lukashenko stuff and fix elections time and time again. Not very surprising at all.

San Lumen wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:And then you’ll have a permanent Russian force in Belarus

I don;'t think the EU is going to stand for that.

You think Belarus gives a shit about the EU?

San Lumen wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:And then you’ll have a permanent Russian force in Belarus

I don;'t think the EU is going to stand for that.

Russia doesn’t give a flying fuck what the EU thinks.

Hell Germany relies on Russia gas to power most of their shit. All Russia has to do is shut off the gas and the EU backs off

San Lumen wrote:

Punished UMN wrote:What would they do about it?

Perhaps step in and force Russia to leave the country.

Like they did in Ukraine?

San Lumen wrote:

Punished UMN wrote:What would they do about it?

Perhaps step in and force Russia to leave the country.

What with?

San Lumen wrote:

Punished UMN wrote:What would they do about it?

Perhaps step in and force Russia to leave the country.

Hahahah hahahahaha

Dresderstan wrote:

San Lumen wrote:any means nesscary. Crash cars into them throw molotov cocktails.

What you'd be advocating for is a Belarusian version of suicidal terrorists willing to die for their country/cause, and be killed by Russian mercs and Belarusian military, your ideas of overthrowing this regime is patheitc and weak and will not come to fruition.

So the people should just accept a blatantly rigged election and continue to live under a monster?

San Lumen wrote:

Dresderstan wrote:With what, their fists, they don't have any fucking weapons!

any means nesscary. Crash cars into them throw molotov cocktails.