Possible Revolution in Belarus after Rigged election

[San Lumen]

What serious consequences? Russia has little to fear other than open war with NATO.

And that's not happening unless Lumen want's a third world war.

And you call my posts fantasy? Pot meet kettle

[Werpo]

Ukraine had a successful revolution

and then the russians said nuts to that.

and then a bunch of Europeans got blown out of the sky by a Rebel SAM.

and now the Ukrainian military is bogged down in a 6 year stalemate while those bastards in Europe can sip their wine and pound their chests and say "what a grand revolution it was!".

As a person of post-Soviet background, I resent your belittling of my experience. (/s)

Georgia experienced such a revolution in 2003 which was hailed by the familiar European liberals and sneered at by the likes of you as an astroturfing. The result is that they have an efficient, capable state, as evidenced by their great success in dealing with the coronavirus in contrast with Azerbaijan (your standard Belarus-style benevolent dictatorship) and Armenia (only now recovering from a similar experience).

One can acknowledge the failures of democratization while still supporting it in light of its undeniable success in creating accountable states.

[Post War America]

What serious consequences? Russia has little to fear other than open war with NATO.

And that's not happening unless Lumen want's a third world war.

It's easy to call for war when you don't have to fight it.

[Thermodolia]

then what do you mean by "standing up to putin".

Tell him not to meddle in the country or face serious consequences

Do you want an economic collapse/war with Russia? Because that’s how you get exactly that.

Russia isn’t going to just stand aside. They will retaliate if Europe threatened them with that. Do you want millions to die?

[Post War America]

And that's not happening unless Lumen want's a third world war.

And you call my posts fantasy? Pot meet kettle

The idea that the Belorussian government will somehow magically fall apart with a minimum of bloodshed is a fantasy.

[Dresderstan]

And that's not happening unless Lumen want's a third world war.

And you call my posts fantasy? Pot meet kettle

At least I'm not the naive person who thinks they can change the world by doing nothing but bitching and hoping something is done like you. Nothing will change, the EU will do nothing, stop trying to provoke a war we can't win.

[Dresderstan]

Tell him not to meddle in the country or face serious consequences

Do you want an economic collapse/war with Russia? Because that’s how you get exactly that.

Russia isn’t going to just stand aside. They will retaliate if Europe threatened them with that. Do you want millions to die?

It's ironic how he'll piss and moan at you for calling a nationwide general strike because "It'Ll DaMaGe ThE eCoNoMy" and then will proclaim to stand up to Russian aggression failing to realize the consequences will lead to economic collapse. Pure hypocrisy.

[Thermodolia]

And that's not happening unless Lumen want's a third world war.

It's easy to call for war when you don't have to fight it.

The hypocrisy here is astounding. A general strike in Belarus is hailed as wonderful and something we should literally go to war to support, yet one of us calls for a general strike here in the US it’s met with scornful derision

[Post War America]

It's easy to call for war when you don't have to fight it.

The hypocrisy here is astounding. A general strike in Belarus is hailed as wonderful and something we should literally go to war to support, yet one of us calls for a general strike here in the US it’s met with scornful derision

That's because one will spread neoliberalism, and the other will spread not neoliberalism.

[Loben III]

then what do you mean by "standing up to putin".

Tell him not to meddle in the country or face serious consequences

serious consequences like what?

may i remind you that the EU relies on Russia for its gas, so if they shut that off the EU is going to have a *very* hard time telling their subjects that the reason why they will be freezing to death this winter is because they got overambitious about some fucking backwater in the Former Soviet Union.

[The Marlborough]

I wonder what kind of turnaround I could get by mentioning that Lukashenko has accused Russia of trying to influence the election over the past few months. Will the anti-EU people now call for his ouster? Will those who want to just turn Belarus into another victim of their neoliberal hogwash wish to keep him onboard? Lets find out.

[Punished UMN]

I would say it's harder to classify Lukashenko's regime. By some standards he could be left wing, but what left wing means in the West is so different from what it means in Eastern Europe that that's not really a meaningful qualifier. I wouldn't say those labels are really useful for regimes that are relics of a bygone period (e.g. Belarus, DPRK, Transnistria, etc.) because these states are fairly static and are part of otherwise extinct political expressions which are not really living or continuing to develop.

Lukashenko was a communist bureaucrat.

Many of Lukashenko's policies in Belarus are the same policies of the erstwhile Soviet Union.

Both belong in the dumpster bin of history.

Being a communist bureaucrat means nothing. Yeltsin was one too, you know. The second post-independence president of Estonia was an extremely high-ranking member of the Party.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Found it on reddit

[Rio Cana]

So they cheated in Belarus. You do not have to go that far. Many are saying they did the same thing in yesterdays primaries in the US territory of Puerto Rico. Some towns did not get the ballots to vote in the primaries. Some got the ballots really late. You know after people who were standing in line decided they had had it after hours of waiting. Who ever heard of scheming in a primary so what do you expect for the general elections. Some think this is a scheme by some in the party in power to maintain control.

For those who want to learn more - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... al-primary. Should point out that a radio host on last thursday said there would be no primaries since the company printing the ballots could not possibly print 1.7 million ballots if they were only able to print 300.000 a day. He says the Governor knew about this but is now not mentioning it. The ruling party also passed a new election law over one month ago which some say does not smell right.

[Loben III]

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Found it on reddit

i bet that will be the talk of the briefing room.

"anu Bylat, look at Boris standing next to Western spy."

[Outer Acharet]

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Found it on reddit

"Yo, what he doin here?"

[Minskiev]

Hold on, is my lore happening?

[Elvectica]

Since Belarusian and Russian relations have been a bit frosty recently, what's Russia/Putin's view on this? Could it be an opportunity to prop up someone who's more favourable?

Rhetorical questions aside, I guess either way it's another good opportunity for Putin to step in the midst of public discourse.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Since Belarusian and Russian relations have been a bit frosty recently, what's Russia/Putin's view on this? Could it be an opportunity to prop up someone who's more favourable?

Rhetorical questions aside, I guess either way it's another good opportunity for Putin to step in the midst of public discourse.

Apparently, Belarus caught a few Russian agents. I don't know if they're actually working for Russia or are just rogues, but this has caused a hiccup between them, and this was a week or so before the election.

Now, if there is a successful revolution(which isn't the likeliest thing, as many lead to failure or civil wars in modern times) and Russia calls for intervention, there's two ways for the government to save itself-declare neutrality or buddy up with Russia. Thanks to Realpolitik, Russia will likely let them slide if it keeps a buffer state, or at least a non-hostile neighbor.

[San Lumen]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/ ... 03237.html

Lukashenko’s main challenger is calling on him to resign

[Exalted Inquellian State]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/belarus-election-challenger-asks-lukashenko-quit-protests-200810161703237.html

Lukashenko’s main challenger is calling on him to resign

Wait, I thought she wanted negotiations with him.

[Loben III]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/belarus-election-challenger-asks-lukashenko-quit-protests-200810161703237.html

Lukashenko’s main challenger is calling on him to resign

i bet hes cowering in his boots.

[Shofercia]

they stood idle when Ukraine failed.

Ukraine had a successful revolution

In what World was Ukraine's Revolution successful? They lost Crimea, lost a good chunk of Eastern Ukraine, had their economy in the dumps, and had leadership so bad that the country elected a comedian instead. Millions were forced to work abroad to make ends meet, their chief medical officer is nicknamed Dr. Death, the armed forces are underpaid, the nuclear physicists fled to North Korea, Russia's effectively taking able manpower from Ukraine with job offers and stability, in Russia, crime in Ukraine is out of control, local oligarchs fight other regions to enlarge their power base, the country's in a death spiral... How is any of this a success Lumen? I'd rather have Lukashenko than Ukraine's mess.

Ukraine nevertheless stands apart. It is still a nation at war, yet in a survey last year, 55 percent of residents named mass emigration as the greatest threat to their country...

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... is/608464/

In what World is this a success? Lumen's World?

[San Lumen]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/belarus-election-challenger-asks-lukashenko-quit-protests-200810161703237.html

Lukashenko’s main challenger is calling on him to resign

i bet hes cowering in his boots.

Hopefully even more people will stand up to him force him out like Ceaușescu

[Dresderstan]

i bet hes cowering in his boots.

Hopefully even more people will stand up to him force him out like Ceaușescu

They won't, because I doubt he's scared at all, and the people aren't even fucking armed.