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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:01 pm

Shofercia wrote:
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worst revolution, ever.


Really? I thought the Summer of Love holds that title

Nah some good things came out of that.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:02 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:NATO isn’t doing anything.


They're banning travel of top Belarus officials and writing very strongly worded letters.

Nothing meaningful
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:31 am

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/massive-prote ... 00306.html

I don't know what to say. Guess that Lukashenko is done harvesting potato.
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I feel like this is a missed opportunity. Sasha should have combined the AK with an Adidas jogging suit for 125% more Slav flav.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:32 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/gma/massive-protests-flood-belarus-once-234900306.html

I don't know what to say. Guess that Lukashenko is done harvesting potato.


The protest appeared to be even larger than the historic demonstrations that swamped central Minsk last Sunday, when over a hundred thousand people took to the streets.


That's not what others are reporting. Every other news report I've read said that there were less protesters, not more.

For instance: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53795871

As the president spoke, around 220,000 of anti-Lukashenko protesters gathered near the Stela Minsk Hero City World War Two memorial in central Minsk...


Not sure if ABC knows their ABCs of basic math, but 220,000 > 120,000. The 220,000 was from last weekend's protest. Here we go, revising protester numbers that they've reported... in order to fit their political ideology... while accusing the dictator whom people are protesting against of doing the exact same thing... and I was just thinking, how will the press manage to humiliate itself this time? That was unexpected.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:54 pm

https://www.rferl.org/a/30798061.html

If people think this is fizzling out they are wrong. 250,000 gathered in Minsk on Sunday chanting for Lukashenko to resign

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.rferl.org/a/30798061.html

If people think this is fizzling out they are wrong. 250,000 gathered in Minsk on Sunday chanting for Lukashenko to resign

The post right above you told you how that’s wrong
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Postby Novus America » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.rferl.org/a/30798061.html

If people think this is fizzling out they are wrong. 250,000 gathered in Minsk on Sunday chanting for Lukashenko to resign


The issue is people will eventually lose interest. And regardless peaceful protests do not actually change things in a dictatorship. They can change the minds of voters, but who cares if the votes are rigged?
Unless the protestors are willing to storm government buildings they cannot succeed.

To actually break the impasse you need to put real pressure on the ruling party to win, these protests are not doing that because they do not actually threaten Lukashenko. The fact he can wave a gun at them and insult them shows he is not afraid of them yet.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:15 pm

Novus America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.rferl.org/a/30798061.html

If people think this is fizzling out they are wrong. 250,000 gathered in Minsk on Sunday chanting for Lukashenko to resign


The issue is people will eventually lose interest. And regardless peaceful protests do not actually change things in a dictatorship. They can change the minds of voters, but who cares if the votes are rigged?
Unless the protestors are willing to storm government buildings they cannot succeed.

To actually break the impasse you need to put real pressure on the ruling party to win, these protests are not doing that because they do not actually threaten Lukashenko. The fact he can wave a gun at them and insult them shows he is not afraid of them yet.

The rest of Europe ought to do what was done in Libya at this point and help oust him

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Postby The Marlborough » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The issue is people will eventually lose interest. And regardless peaceful protests do not actually change things in a dictatorship. They can change the minds of voters, but who cares if the votes are rigged?
Unless the protestors are willing to storm government buildings they cannot succeed.

To actually break the impasse you need to put real pressure on the ruling party to win, these protests are not doing that because they do not actually threaten Lukashenko. The fact he can wave a gun at them and insult them shows he is not afraid of them yet.

The rest of Europe ought to do what was done in Libya at this point and help oust him

So you want to bomb Belarus to bits, have it fall into chaos with marauding warbands fighting each other, slave markets out in the open and a massive humanitarian crisis?
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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The issue is people will eventually lose interest. And regardless peaceful protests do not actually change things in a dictatorship. They can change the minds of voters, but who cares if the votes are rigged?
Unless the protestors are willing to storm government buildings they cannot succeed.

To actually break the impasse you need to put real pressure on the ruling party to win, these protests are not doing that because they do not actually threaten Lukashenko. The fact he can wave a gun at them and insult them shows he is not afraid of them yet.

The rest of Europe ought to do what was done in Libya at this point and help oust him


Um no. He could fire live ammunition into crowds and outside countries still wouldn't intervene.
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Postby The Marlborough » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:20 pm

Because human trafficking wasn't already an issue in Belarus, lets just make it easier by completely destroying the country and its security forces.
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Postby Punished UMN » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The issue is people will eventually lose interest. And regardless peaceful protests do not actually change things in a dictatorship. They can change the minds of voters, but who cares if the votes are rigged?
Unless the protestors are willing to storm government buildings they cannot succeed.

To actually break the impasse you need to put real pressure on the ruling party to win, these protests are not doing that because they do not actually threaten Lukashenko. The fact he can wave a gun at them and insult them shows he is not afraid of them yet.

The rest of Europe ought to do what was done in Libya at this point and help oust him

Oh yeah Libya is so much better than it was before the NATO intervention.
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Postby Punished UMN » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:25 pm

Also Belarus has defensive alliances with Russia, is a member of multiple supranational organizations with Russia, and is one of Russia's most important geopolitical partners. War with Belarus means war with Russia, Lumen.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The issue is people will eventually lose interest. And regardless peaceful protests do not actually change things in a dictatorship. They can change the minds of voters, but who cares if the votes are rigged?
Unless the protestors are willing to storm government buildings they cannot succeed.

To actually break the impasse you need to put real pressure on the ruling party to win, these protests are not doing that because they do not actually threaten Lukashenko. The fact he can wave a gun at them and insult them shows he is not afraid of them yet.

The rest of Europe ought to do what was done in Libya at this point and help oust him

Jesus Fuck dude what’s wrong with you?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The issue is people will eventually lose interest. And regardless peaceful protests do not actually change things in a dictatorship. They can change the minds of voters, but who cares if the votes are rigged?
Unless the protestors are willing to storm government buildings they cannot succeed.

To actually break the impasse you need to put real pressure on the ruling party to win, these protests are not doing that because they do not actually threaten Lukashenko. The fact he can wave a gun at them and insult them shows he is not afraid of them yet.

The rest of Europe ought to do what was done in Libya at this point and help oust him


So when are you going to pick up your rifle and go kill some Ruskies then, soldier?
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Postby Novus America » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The issue is people will eventually lose interest. And regardless peaceful protests do not actually change things in a dictatorship. They can change the minds of voters, but who cares if the votes are rigged?
Unless the protestors are willing to storm government buildings they cannot succeed.

To actually break the impasse you need to put real pressure on the ruling party to win, these protests are not doing that because they do not actually threaten Lukashenko. The fact he can wave a gun at them and insult them shows he is not afraid of them yet.

The rest of Europe ought to do what was done in Libya at this point and help oust him


Bomb Belarus? Who in the rest of Europe has the political will to do that? Especially given that risks war with Russia?
According to the CSTO treaty, (Russia and friends version of NATO) an attack on one is an attack on all.
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Although admittedly it is somewhat of a dubious organization in terms of the willingness of members to actually defend each other, still you would be basically declaring war on all members.

A very high risk of plunging Europe into war is not something people are going to do, just because Lukashenko is an authoritarian dick.

Libya was an entirely different situation. One Libya was already in a state of civil war. In Libya tanks from different sides were shooting it out in the streets.

That is not happening in Belarus. Two the intervention in Libya did not even end the civil war. It took out one faction in the civil war, but the other factions turned on each other continuing the war, just between different factions.

Three Libya had no friends.

So that is an entirely different situation that did not really solve the problem anyways.
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Postby Novus America » Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:17 pm

This is why the Belarus protests will probably fail:
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/u ... o-succeed/
They are too peaceful to succeed.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The issue is people will eventually lose interest. And regardless peaceful protests do not actually change things in a dictatorship. They can change the minds of voters, but who cares if the votes are rigged?
Unless the protestors are willing to storm government buildings they cannot succeed.

To actually break the impasse you need to put real pressure on the ruling party to win, these protests are not doing that because they do not actually threaten Lukashenko. The fact he can wave a gun at them and insult them shows he is not afraid of them yet.

The rest of Europe ought to do what was done in Libya at this point and help oust him

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Postby Post War America » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The issue is people will eventually lose interest. And regardless peaceful protests do not actually change things in a dictatorship. They can change the minds of voters, but who cares if the votes are rigged?
Unless the protestors are willing to storm government buildings they cannot succeed.

To actually break the impasse you need to put real pressure on the ruling party to win, these protests are not doing that because they do not actually threaten Lukashenko. The fact he can wave a gun at them and insult them shows he is not afraid of them yet.

The rest of Europe ought to do what was done in Libya at this point and help oust him


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Postby Shofercia » Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The issue is people will eventually lose interest. And regardless peaceful protests do not actually change things in a dictatorship. They can change the minds of voters, but who cares if the votes are rigged?
Unless the protestors are willing to storm government buildings they cannot succeed.

To actually break the impasse you need to put real pressure on the ruling party to win, these protests are not doing that because they do not actually threaten Lukashenko. The fact he can wave a gun at them and insult them shows he is not afraid of them yet.

The rest of Europe ought to do what was done in Libya at this point and help oust him


Unlike Libya, Belarus has actual Russian air defenses, and unlike Syria, those are defenses featuring the latest version. I highly doubt that Lukashenko will hesitate to use them. Belarus is also equipped with high tech missiles, so if NATO decides to bomb civilian infrastructure, or even damage it by accident, the people in Berlin are probably going to wonder why they're being hit with missiles. I don't think you realize how well protected Belarus is from a military point of view, Lumen. The reason that protests are peaceful, is because if they were violent, they'd be destroyed. This isn't Ukraine, where the armed forces were, and continue to be, vastly underpaid.


Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote: The rest of Europe ought to do what was done in Libya at this point and help oust him

Jesus Fuck dude what’s wrong with you?


Lumen is a Neoliberal, and Neoliberals want to provoke a shooting war with Russia. What they fail to realize, is that Russia is extremely likely to shoot back, primarily targeting their interests. Remember the whole bullshit about special forces paying Taliban teens to whack American soldiers in Afghanistan? That's the fantasy. In reality, that money was given in order to expose drug routes, and prevent drugs from reaching CSTO countries.


Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.rferl.org/a/30798061.html

If people think this is fizzling out they are wrong. 250,000 gathered in Minsk on Sunday chanting for Lukashenko to resign

The post right above you told you how that’s wrong


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Postby Ravenstva » Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:55 am

Luka is epic, any attempts to overthrow him should be met with harsh consequences.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:01 am

San Lumen wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The issue is people will eventually lose interest. And regardless peaceful protests do not actually change things in a dictatorship. They can change the minds of voters, but who cares if the votes are rigged?
Unless the protestors are willing to storm government buildings they cannot succeed.

To actually break the impasse you need to put real pressure on the ruling party to win, these protests are not doing that because they do not actually threaten Lukashenko. The fact he can wave a gun at them and insult them shows he is not afraid of them yet.

The rest of Europe ought to do what was done in Libya at this point and help oust him


Do you know what actually happened to Libya?
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Postby Punished UMN » Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:35 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote: The rest of Europe ought to do what was done in Libya at this point and help oust him


Do you know what actually happened to Libya?

Of course he doesn't.
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Postby Free China » Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:43 am

Punished UMN wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Do you know what actually happened to Libya?

Of course he doesn't.

He won't bother. It's very easy to say it online... :meh:
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