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Shofercia wrote:Tomorrow, at this time, we will know if there's going to be further compromise, or if revolution possible became mission impossible, and this time there's no Tom Cruise to save the day.

It's the final countdown.

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Oh god oh f**k there's gonna be a three way(soon to be two way) world war.
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Has anyone seen the No Idea Animation video on it? It sums up what’s going on pretty well.
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Postby Insaanistan » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:38 am

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:

Oh god oh f**k there's gonna be a three way(soon to be two way) world war.


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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:41 am

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:

Oh god oh f**k there's gonna be a three way(soon to be two way) world war.

There isn’t.

NATO isn’t doing anything. Lukashenko is using the idea of “NATO troops going to invade to support the protesters” to get the people of Belarus more against the protests.

Basically a people tend to be more united when they are being attacked by foreign powers
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Postby Insaanistan » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:53 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Oh god oh f**k there's gonna be a three way(soon to be two way) world war.

There isn’t.

NATO isn’t doing anything. Lukashenko is using the idea of “NATO troops going to invade to support the protesters” to get the people of Belarus more against the protests.

Basically a people tend to be more united when they are being attacked by foreign powers


That’s true. But I doubt the people would actually oppose NATO intervention if it were to come.
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Postby Rio Cana » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:03 am

Seems 50000 Lithuanians will be forming a human chain from the Lithuanian Capital to the Belarus border today in support of the protesters in Belarus.

Article on that - https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/1 ... ian-border

Off-topic - Seems the history of the Lithuanian Capital city Vilnius is not a happy one. It was mostly full of Polish people, Jewish people and hardly Lithuanian during the early 20 century. Seems the Poles and Jewish were forced out.

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Postby Insaanistan » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:14 am

Rio Cana wrote:Seems 50000 Lithuanians will be forming a human chain from the Lithuanian Capital to the Belarus border today in support of the protesters in Belarus.

Article on that - https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/1 ... ian-border

Off-topic - Seems the history of the Lithuanian Capital city Vilnius is not a happy one. It was mostly full of Polish people, Jewish people and hardly Lithuanian during the early 20 century. Seems the Poles and Jewish were forced out.

Read - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vilnius


I mean, they got their independence by making a huge line and singing.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:59 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:There isn’t.

NATO isn’t doing anything. Lukashenko is using the idea of “NATO troops going to invade to support the protesters” to get the people of Belarus more against the protests.

Basically a people tend to be more united when they are being attacked by foreign powers


That’s true. But I doubt the people would actually oppose NATO intervention if it were to come.

They actually would. The majority of Belarus doesn’t like the west. That’s why Lukashenko is saying the west is trying to invade
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Postby Elevanos » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:02 am

Honestly what nation isn't about to have a revolution right now.
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Postby Loben III » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:04 am

Sharania wrote:Why a stolen election in Belarus matters to America and the world

Beyond the humanitarian tragedy unfolding, thousands of protesters, including women and children, continue to lock arms in protest of what was a rigged election.

Belarus sits in strategic region

First, Belarus is an important buffer state between NATO and Russia. Any conventional war on the Eurasian landmass would involve its territory, which is why Russia carries out military exercises there.

Second, Belarus is ripe for a new, more representative government to replace the current regime. It is a stain on the European experiment that a Soviet-style dictatorship sits on its doorstep, thumbing its nose at Europe's liberal ideas.

To be sure, Belarus is enjoying greater company as European Union members like Poland and Hungary succumb to Lukashenko-like populism. Reversing this trend would benefit the EU experiment as a whole and provide a stronger buffer against Russia.

Finally, the Vegas rule of Belarus is long gone. Just as Lukashenko denied the presence of COVID-19 in his country, holding hockey games and concerts with little thought or care whether anybody wore masks, what happens elsewhere trickles into Belarus and what happens in Belarus does not stay contained there.

I remember the throngs of protesters who crammed into October Square in downtown Minsk in 2006, chanting slogans of "Long. Live. Belarus!" It was an inspiring moment.

At the time, I remember being dismayed by the lack of organization. Little did I realize how dangerous and difficult it was to organize such disparate strands of an opposition movement in the days before social media.

It's not clear that Facebook or Twitter would have brought about Lukashenko's downfall. The Belarusian writer Evgeny Morozov famously marveled at the naivety and inability of cyberutopians to predict how autocrats like Lukashenko would turn the internet's search engines on their head to surveil their people and prevent grassroots mobilization. His was an outlier view a decade ago; now it's mainstream.

I remember the cat-and-mouse game protesters played with the authorities in 2006 as fake leaflets and flyers were handed out telling protesters to report to various squares, where riot police awaited to arrest them. I also remember the plainclothes KGB planted out front of my apartment, monitoring my every move.

I was shocked yet proud that the world was paying attention to this pocket of Europe, but it has largely ignored Belarus since.
Opposition candidate fled in fear

The United Nations, EU and U.S. government should speak up in unison about the country's atrocious human rights record. It should also support the pro-democracy opposition there more proactively.

The main opposition candidate, a 37-year-old housewife named Svetlana Tikhanovskaya, was forced to flee, fearing for the safety of her family. She joined the race after her husband was detained and prevented from running as a candidate.

It is high time to send in international election observers to declare the vote illegitimate and to hold Lukashenko accountable to his people.

Belarus' more than 9 millions citizens deserve better. What happens in Belarus no longer stays in Belarus.


P.S. I remind everyone here that an American national,Vitali Shkliarov, is still kept captive on fake charges by the illigitimate and no longer internationally recognized Lukashenka's regime. His last publcation was "Belarus Is Having an Anti-‘Cockroach’ Revolution" for the FP. Now he is persecuted for "disturbing the social order". Belarus MATTERS for everyone.


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Postby Heloin » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:04 am

Rio Cana wrote:Seems 50000 Lithuanians will be forming a human chain from the Lithuanian Capital to the Belarus border today in support of the protesters in Belarus.

Article on that - https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/1 ... ian-border

That's nice.

Off-topic - Seems the history of the Lithuanian Capital city Vilnius is not a happy one. It was mostly full of Polish people, Jewish people and hardly Lithuanian during the early 20 century. Seems the Poles and Jewish were forced out.

Read - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vilnius

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Postby Insaanistan » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:03 am

Heloin wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:Seems 50000 Lithuanians will be forming a human chain from the Lithuanian Capital to the Belarus border today in support of the protesters in Belarus.

Article on that - https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/1 ... ian-border

That's nice.

Off-topic - Seems the history of the Lithuanian Capital city Vilnius is not a happy one. It was mostly full of Polish people, Jewish people and hardly Lithuanian during the early 20 century. Seems the Poles and Jewish were forced out.

Read - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vilnius

There were these two things called the Nazis and Stalin.


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Postby Insaanistan » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:04 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
That’s true. But I doubt the people would actually oppose NATO intervention if it were to come.

They actually would. The majority of Belarus doesn’t like the west. That’s why Lukashenko is saying the west is trying to invade


Really? I would assumed the protesters were pro-democracy and pro-Western.
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Postby Heloin » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:10 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They actually would. The majority of Belarus doesn’t like the west. That’s why Lukashenko is saying the west is trying to invade


Really? I would assumed the protesters were pro-democracy and pro-Western.

Pro-Democracy is not the same thing as Pro-Western.

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Postby Insaanistan » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:27 am

Heloin wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
Really? I would assumed the protesters were pro-democracy and pro-Western.

Pro-Democracy is not the same thing as Pro-Western.


Touché, but they seem to often coincide, hence my assumption.
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Postby Panslavicland » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:28 am



Not surprising, their attempt to invalidate the the election through astroturfed protests and strikes has failed so now NATO are threatening Belarus directly. Belarus should declare a state of emergency and classify all protests and strikes from here on out as co-operating with hostile foreign forces and deal with them accordingly.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:29 am

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Not surprising, their attempt to invalidate the the election through astroturfed protests and strikes has failed so now NATO are threatening Belarus directly. Belarus should declare a state of emergency and classify all protests and strikes from here on out as co-operating with hostile foreign forces and deal with them accordingly.

NATO isn’t doing anything.
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Postby Insaanistan » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:32 am

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Not surprising, their attempt to invalidate the the election through astroturfed protests and strikes has failed so now NATO are threatening Belarus directly. Belarus should declare a state of emergency and classify all protests and strikes from here on out as co-operating with hostile foreign forces and deal with them accordingly.


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Postby Rio Cana » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:02 pm

According to a popular Russian youtuber who has a youtube channel in Spanish, there is more to this then what most are seeing on tv. She tends to say that certain foreign services are not telling the whole story. She also tends to say that the Belarussian Pres. is not in bed with Russia or its neighbors. That they try to get along with all there neighbors due to economic reasons while maintaining there independence.

So if you can understand Spanish watch this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDQ15RQoROU
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:40 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:

Oh god oh f**k there's gonna be a three way(soon to be two way) world war.


Nope, Poland's a member of NATO and borders Belarus. It's the staredown. Indians and Pakistanis do it every day.


Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Tomorrow, at this time, we will know if there's going to be further compromise, or if revolution possible became mission impossible, and this time there's no Tom Cruise to save the day.

It's the final countdown.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw


Insaanistan wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Oh god oh f**k there's gonna be a three way(soon to be two way) world war.


Petition to rename Belarusiya (White Russia) to Novaya Polsha (New Poland)?


> Polska invades Belaya Rus
> Polska partitioned by Belaya Rus
> Polska still cannot into space :P

Joking aside, there won't be a war.


Insaanistan wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They actually would. The majority of Belarus doesn’t like the west. That’s why Lukashenko is saying the west is trying to invade


Really? I would assumed the protesters were pro-democracy and pro-Western.


Pro-democracy doesn't always translate to pro-Western, especially after the 1990s and the recent events in Ukraine. You can blame Russia for taking part of Ukraine, (I'd disagree, but whatevs,) but you can't blame Russia for utter economic mismanagement by Ukaine's pro-Western factions.


Thermodolia wrote:
Panslavicland wrote:
Not surprising, their attempt to invalidate the the election through astroturfed protests and strikes has failed so now NATO are threatening Belarus directly. Belarus should declare a state of emergency and classify all protests and strikes from here on out as co-operating with hostile foreign forces and deal with them accordingly.

NATO isn’t doing anything.


They're banning travel of top Belarus officials and writing very strongly worded letters.
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:45 pm

And now the moment you've all been waiting for, will there be a revolution in Belarus? NOPE

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/08/ ... ion-a71220

Tens of thousands of demonstrators massed in central Minsk on Sunday to demand the resignation of Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko...


Nope, not enough. Protests are declining over time, they're not growing.

He has previously dispatched his notorious riot police to disperse rallies that erupted after he claimed a sixth term with 80% of the vote in an election two weeks ago that the opposition says was rigged. But with rain on Sunday evening, the protesters appeared to break up voluntarily without any clashes with the riot police, the latest of many peaceful showdowns.


I guess it rained on their parade.
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Postby Loben III » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:55 pm

Shofercia wrote:And now the moment you've all been waiting for, will there be a revolution in Belarus? NOPE

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/08/ ... ion-a71220

Tens of thousands of demonstrators massed in central Minsk on Sunday to demand the resignation of Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko...


Nope, not enough. Protests are declining over time, they're not growing.

He has previously dispatched his notorious riot police to disperse rallies that erupted after he claimed a sixth term with 80% of the vote in an election two weeks ago that the opposition says was rigged. But with rain on Sunday evening, the protesters appeared to break up voluntarily without any clashes with the riot police, the latest of many peaceful showdowns.


I guess it rained on their parade.



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Postby Shofercia » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:15 pm

Loben III wrote:
Shofercia wrote:And now the moment you've all been waiting for, will there be a revolution in Belarus? NOPE


worst revolution, ever.


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