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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:41 pm

Novus America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yesmen? You mean his people? who cares about them

Belorussians drag this monster out of his palace by his hair and then worry about his cronies.


If there are not enough opposition to overcome the cronies, the opposition will lose.

we shall see in the next few days. They said the Romanian revolution wouldnt succeed initially. Nicolae Ceaușescu had a huge operation and he ultimately fled the country.

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Postby The Romanian Confederacy » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:42 pm

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Major-Tom wrote:
Okay, this is kinda for everyone here, but really it’s up to the Belarussians. They wanna go all in and try to topple this guy, knowing that it’ll be painful? Great, that’s bold. They don’t wanna risk it? Totally understandable.

It should be this basic for this event.


I agree. It is worth watching though to see how it plays out. The OP is hyperbolic, but for anyone interested in global politics it is a good thing to keep an eye on given the complex relationship between Belarus, Russia and the West.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:42 pm

Novus America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yesmen? You mean his people? who cares about them

Belorussians drag this monster out of his palace by his hair and then worry about his cronies.


If there are not enough opposition to overcome the cronies, the opposition will lose.

Because if you don’t take out the cronies they’ll just change the window dressing
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Postby Heloin » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Novus America wrote:
If there are not enough opposition to overcome the cronies, the opposition will lose.

we shall see in the next few days. They said the Romanian revolution wouldnt succeed initially. Nicolae Ceaușescu had a huge operation and he ultimately fled the country.

That's a funny way to describe execution.
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Postby Punished UMN » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:43 pm

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San Lumen wrote:we shall see in the next few days. They said the Romanian revolution wouldnt succeed initially. Nicolae Ceaușescu had a huge operation and he ultimately fled the country.

That's a funny way to describe execution.

He's not dead, he's just pining for Bucharest.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:44 pm

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/statu ... 50852?s=20

There are reports of police in smaller cities laying down shields and giving in too protesters.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:44 pm

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San Lumen wrote:we shall see in the next few days. They said the Romanian revolution wouldnt succeed initially. Nicolae Ceaușescu had a huge operation and he ultimately fled the country.

That's a funny way to describe execution.


The uh, bullets... fled the guns, very quickly...
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:46 pm

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If there are not enough opposition to overcome the cronies, the opposition will lose.

we shall see in the next few days. They said the Romanian revolution wouldnt succeed initially. Nicolae Ceaușescu had a huge operation and he ultimately fled the country.

He never fled the country. He and his wife where executed
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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:47 pm

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San Lumen wrote:we shall see in the next few days. They said the Romanian revolution wouldnt succeed initially. Nicolae Ceaușescu had a huge operation and he ultimately fled the country.

He never fled the country. He and his wife where executed


Heaven isn't in Romania?
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Postby Heloin » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:48 pm

Telconi wrote:
Heloin wrote:That's a funny way to describe execution.


The uh, bullets... fled the guns, very quickly...

An acute case of rapid lead poisoning.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1292560086028750852?s=20

There are reports of police in smaller cities laying down shields and giving in too protesters.

If that’s true then prepare for Russian troops
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:48 pm

Telconi wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:He never fled the country. He and his wife where executed


Heaven isn't in Romania?


What?

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:49 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1292560086028750852?s=20

There are reports of police in smaller cities laying down shields and giving in too protesters.

If that’s true then prepare for Russian troops

we shall see. I dont think the countries that border the would be too pleased.

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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:50 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:If that’s true then prepare for Russian troops

we shall see. I dont think the countries that border the would be too pleased.


I don't think Putin is particularly interested in pleasing them.
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Postby Heloin » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:53 pm

It seems extreme to assume that the only two options are either full scale revolution or the Russian tanks are about to slaughter the people of Minsk, Pinsk, and every other Insk across the border.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:Nicolae Ceaușescu had a huge operation and he ultimately fled the country.

Strange, because he looks pretty dead in the video of his execution on Romanian soil.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:55 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Nicolae Ceaușescu had a huge operation and he ultimately fled the country.

Strange, because he looks pretty dead in the video of his execution on Romanian soil.

It's Romania. Death just means you get a bit more iron in your diet.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:56 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Nicolae Ceaușescu had a huge operation and he ultimately fled the country.

Strange, because he looks pretty dead in the video of his execution on Romanian soil.

I misspoke. He and his wife Elena fled the capital in a helicopter but were captured after the military defected.

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https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/statu ... 58657?s=20
Plus exit polls from embassies around the world show Tsikhanouskaya winning in a overwhelming landslide
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Postby Novus America » Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:05 pm

Does Belarus have a Praetorian Guard? Because conscripts are often unreliable at violently suppressing protests, many authoritarian regimes maintain two separate military forces, with a separate training and command structure that usually answers directly to the dictator rather than the regular military command structure and regular government. See the Hitler’s SS, Saddam’s Republican Guard, Putin’s National Guard, Saudi’s National Guard, Iran’s Islamic Guardians, Xi’s PAP etc.

This way you can send the less reliable conscripts if you have them (the PRC also has a small military relative to the population so that only reliables are brought into the regular military as well) to the regular army, but only make sure dedicated loyalists go to the Praetorian Guard (who often have better pay and living conditions). The regular military is then stationed largely in remote bases along the frontiers with limited communications whereas the Praetorian Guard is stationed in it around major cities.

That way in case of an uprising you do not have to use the regular military, just lock them down in their bases with limited communications while the Praetorian Guard does the dirty work of massacring protesters.

This is an effective system for maintaining control although it often makes for poor battlefield performance of the regular army, for example the regular Iraqi Army was notorious for fleeing.

But I am not sure Belarus has such a system.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:15 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:If that’s true then prepare for Russian troops

we shall see. I dont think the countries that border the would be too pleased.

Russia doesn’t give a shit and it’s clear after what happened in Ukraine that nobody else does either
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:16 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:we shall see. I dont think the countries that border the would be too pleased.

Russia doesn’t give a shit and it’s clear after what happened in Ukraine that nobody else does either

Who cares what Russia thinks. I hope Lukashenko is dragged out of his palace by his hair and everything he owns destroyed.

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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Russia doesn’t give a shit and it’s clear after what happened in Ukraine that nobody else does either

Who cares what Russia thinks. I hope Lukashenko is dragged out of his palace by his hair and everything he owns destroyed.


Uh, people at the business end of Russian guns?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:18 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Who cares what Russia thinks. I hope Lukashenko is dragged out of his palace by his hair and everything he owns destroyed.


Uh, people at the business end of Russian guns?

rebel against them too.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Uh, people at the business end of Russian guns?

rebel against them too.


Why tho?
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:18 pm

Novus America wrote:Does Belarus have a Praetorian Guard? Because conscripts are often unreliable at violently suppressing protests, many authoritarian regimes maintain two separate military forces, with a separate training and command structure that usually answers directly to the dictator rather than the regular military command structure and regular government. See the Hitler’s SS, Saddam’s Republican Guard, Putin’s National Guard, Saudi’s National Guard, Iran’s Islamic Guardians, Xi’s PAP etc.

This way you can send the less reliable conscripts if you have them (the PRC also has a small military relative to the population so that only reliables are brought into the regular military as well) to the regular army, but only make sure dedicated loyalists go to the Praetorian Guard. The regular military is then stationed largely in remote bases along the frontiers with limited communications whereas the Praetorian Guard is stationed in it around major cities.

That way in case of an uprising you do not have to use the regular military, just lock them down in their bases with limited communications while the Praetorian Guard does the dirty work of massacring protesters.

This is an effective system for maintaining control although it often makes for poor battlefield performance of the regular army, for example the regular Iraqi Army was notorious for fleeing.

But I am not sure Belarus has such a system.

Belarus still has the KGB which controls Alpha Group which is a paramilitary anti-terrorism unit.
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