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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:59 am

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Not if tens of thousands beat down the gates like in Jack Ryan.


Are we still letting our idea of what a revolution looks like from a fictional television show now?

That wasn’t a revolution?

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Postby Greater Cosmicium » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:59 am

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Good luck with that. Either Lukashenko's loyal forces in the palace will make minced meat out of the people attempting to throw him out, or the country will be left pretty much ungovernable. Either way, Belarus would enter a political crisis, like Ukraine did.

Not if tens of thousands beat down the gates like in Jack Ryan.


The result is the same, because I'd imagine the palace guards have a lot of ammunition in store, except there'd be way more minced meat made out of the people who broke down the gates. And if they fall somehow, expect other military units to intervene. Also, I'd think they might have slight problems gathering "tens of thousands" of people, not many are willing to get cut down by said palace guards to overthrow somebody, it's just way too dangerous, reality doesn't work like in the romanticized fantasy of TV shows.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:03 am

Greater Cosmicium wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Not if tens of thousands beat down the gates like in Jack Ryan.


The result is the same, because I'd imagine the palace guards have a lot of ammunition in store, except there'd be way more minced meat made out of the people who broke down the gates. And if they fall somehow, expect other military units to intervene. Also, I'd think they might have slight problems gathering "tens of thousands" of people, not many are willing to get cut down by said palace guards to overthrow somebody, it's just way too dangerous, reality doesn't work like in the romanticized fantasy of TV shows.

And these people really want the blood of tens of thousands on their hands? They are the cowards for sticking by him. His bodyguards and security forces should walk out on him as should anyone who works for him.

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Postby Dresderstan » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:05 am

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The result is the same, because I'd imagine the palace guards have a lot of ammunition in store, except there'd be way more minced meat made out of the people who broke down the gates. And if they fall somehow, expect other military units to intervene. Also, I'd think they might have slight problems gathering "tens of thousands" of people, not many are willing to get cut down by said palace guards to overthrow somebody, it's just way too dangerous, reality doesn't work like in the romanticized fantasy of TV shows.

And these people really want the blood of tens of thousands on their hands? They are the cowards for sticking by him. His bodyguards and security forces should walk out on him as should anyone who works for him.

The only cowards are the opposition "leader" abandoning the country and the people who call for Lukashenko's head.

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Postby Post War America » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:07 am

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Are we still letting our idea of what a revolution looks like from a fictional television show now?

That wasn’t a revolution?


The idea of a popular revolt beating down the gates with a loyal praetorian guard, and there being a clean change in government is absolutely ridiculous, and it would be smart if you stopped believing it.
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:08 am

San Lumen wrote:
Greater Cosmicium wrote:
The result is the same, because I'd imagine the palace guards have a lot of ammunition in store, except there'd be way more minced meat made out of the people who broke down the gates. And if they fall somehow, expect other military units to intervene. Also, I'd think they might have slight problems gathering "tens of thousands" of people, not many are willing to get cut down by said palace guards to overthrow somebody, it's just way too dangerous, reality doesn't work like in the romanticized fantasy of TV shows.

And these people really want the blood of tens of thousands on their hands? They are the cowards for sticking by him. His bodyguards and security forces should walk out on him as should anyone who works for him.


This is just absurd. Yes, they could walk out, but a lot will probably choose not to.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:09 am

Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And these people really want the blood of tens of thousands on their hands? They are the cowards for sticking by him. His bodyguards and security forces should walk out on him as should anyone who works for him.


This is just absurd. Yes, they could walk out, but a lot will probably choose not to.

They should.

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Postby Dresderstan » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:10 am

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This is just absurd. Yes, they could walk out, but a lot will probably choose not to.

They should.

Just because you think they should does not fucking mean they will, you need to get out of this fantasy world of yours and get back to reality, that ain't fucking happening chief.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:11 am

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San Lumen wrote:They should.

Just because you think they should does not fucking mean they will, you need to get out of this fantasy world of yours and get back to reality, that ain't fucking happening chief.

Because they are cowards who blindly support a monster for reasons I can’t fathom.

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Postby Post War America » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:12 am

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This is just absurd. Yes, they could walk out, but a lot will probably choose not to.

They should.


That's not how Praetorian Guards work unfortunately. They are generally paid and treated well specifically to engender extreme loyalty. The only way they defect is if somebody makes them a better offer, and I don't me "don't you think liberal democracy is just swell" or some other ideological platitude. I mean legitimate financial benefits for them or their families, which will usually result in another dictatorship. Otherwise you're going to have to fight through them, and that means a protracted and bloody civil war.
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Postby Greater Cosmicium » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:12 am

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Just because you think they should does not fucking mean they will, you need to get out of this fantasy world of yours and get back to reality, that ain't fucking happening chief.

Because they are cowards who blindly support a monster for reasons I can’t fathom.


In no realistic timeline will the guards ever leave their positions, you're living in the fantasy of TV and video games if you think otherwise.
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Postby Post War America » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:13 am

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Dresderstan wrote:Just because you think they should does not fucking mean they will, you need to get out of this fantasy world of yours and get back to reality, that ain't fucking happening chief.

Because they are cowards who blindly support a monster for reasons I can’t fathom.


They support Lukashenko because they are well paid. If you can't fathom money, than I seriously wonder about how you've managed to gaslight about the economy in other threads.
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Postby Dresderstan » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:14 am

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Just because you think they should does not fucking mean they will, you need to get out of this fantasy world of yours and get back to reality, that ain't fucking happening chief.

Because they are cowards who blindly support a monster for reasons I can’t fathom.

You just don't fucking get it do you? You don't fucking understand how this shit works, maybe you should keep your fucking nose out of shit you don't know nothing about, the only cowards was your precious "leader" who fled the country and the people calling for a revolution like you.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:14 am

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San Lumen wrote:They should.


That's not how Praetorian Guards work unfortunately. They are generally paid and treated well specifically to engender extreme loyalty. The only way they defect is if somebody makes them a better offer, and I don't me "don't you think liberal democracy is just swell" or some other ideological platitude. I mean legitimate financial benefits for them or their families, which will usually result in another dictatorship. Otherwise you're going to have to fight through them, and that means a protracted and bloody civil war.

Screw their money. Blindly supporting him after what he’s done makes them even worse. They should all quit and join the protests. Everyone who works at his palace should walk out to. Let him clean his own place and make his own meals. Break stuff on the way out too.

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Postby Greater Cosmicium » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:15 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
That's not how Praetorian Guards work unfortunately. They are generally paid and treated well specifically to engender extreme loyalty. The only way they defect is if somebody makes them a better offer, and I don't me "don't you think liberal democracy is just swell" or some other ideological platitude. I mean legitimate financial benefits for them or their families, which will usually result in another dictatorship. Otherwise you're going to have to fight through them, and that means a protracted and bloody civil war.

Screw their money. Blindly supporting him after what he’s done makes them even worse. They should all quit and join the protests. Everyone who works at his palace should walk out to. Let him clean his own place and make his own meals. Break stuff on the way out too.


Hey, please quit your fantasy world and come to reality for a little please? The palace guards are not quitting anytime soon.
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Postby Post War America » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:16 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
That's not how Praetorian Guards work unfortunately. They are generally paid and treated well specifically to engender extreme loyalty. The only way they defect is if somebody makes them a better offer, and I don't me "don't you think liberal democracy is just swell" or some other ideological platitude. I mean legitimate financial benefits for them or their families, which will usually result in another dictatorship. Otherwise you're going to have to fight through them, and that means a protracted and bloody civil war.

Screw their money. Blindly supporting him after what he’s done makes them even worse. They should all quit and join the protests. Everyone who works at his palace should walk out to. Let him clean his own place and make his own meals. Break stuff on the way out too.


Easy for somebody so far away, and so disconnected to say. Its not like your family's livelihood relies on you remaining in the favor and service of Lukashenko.
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Postby Dresderstan » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:17 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
That's not how Praetorian Guards work unfortunately. They are generally paid and treated well specifically to engender extreme loyalty. The only way they defect is if somebody makes them a better offer, and I don't me "don't you think liberal democracy is just swell" or some other ideological platitude. I mean legitimate financial benefits for them or their families, which will usually result in another dictatorship. Otherwise you're going to have to fight through them, and that means a protracted and bloody civil war.

Screw their money. Blindly supporting him after what he’s done makes them even worse. They should all quit and join the protests. Everyone who works at his palace should walk out to. Let him clean his own place and make his own meals. Break stuff on the way out too.

Screw your dreams of a free Belarus first, stop being so fucking naive, obtuse and hypocritical.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:17 am

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Screw their money. Blindly supporting him after what he’s done makes them even worse. They should all quit and join the protests. Everyone who works at his palace should walk out to. Let him clean his own place and make his own meals. Break stuff on the way out too.


Easy for somebody so far away, and so disconnected to say. Its not like your family's livelihood relies on you remaining in the favor and service of Lukashenko.


Yeah the heck with thr majority of the population. They are cowards and even worse monsters than him for blindly supporting him. They should quit.

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Postby Dresderstan » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:18 am

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Easy for somebody so far away, and so disconnected to say. Its not like your family's livelihood relies on you remaining in the favor and service of Lukashenko.


Yeah the heck with thr majority of the population. They are cowards and even worse monsters than him for blindly supporting him. They should quit.

Do something about it and get off your fucking soapbox.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:19 am

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Yeah the heck with thr majority of the population. They are cowards and even worse monsters than him for blindly supporting him. They should quit.

Do something about it and get off your fucking soapbox.

What am I supposed to do about it?

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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:19 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Easy for somebody so far away, and so disconnected to say. Its not like your family's livelihood relies on you remaining in the favor and service of Lukashenko.


Yeah the heck with thr majority of the population. They are cowards and even worse monsters than him for blindly supporting him. They should quit.


But they simply won’t, for reasons like they really don’t care about what Lukashenko is doing.
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Postby Dresderstan » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:20 am

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Dresderstan wrote:Do something about it and get off your fucking soapbox.

What am I supposed to do about it?

Go over there and fucking fight for the revolution, instead of getting on your fucking soapbox whining.

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Postby Post War America » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:20 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Easy for somebody so far away, and so disconnected to say. Its not like your family's livelihood relies on you remaining in the favor and service of Lukashenko.


Yeah the heck with thr majority of the population. They are cowards and even worse monsters than him for blindly supporting him. They should quit.


The opinions of a neoliberal shill half the world away are basically meaningless in the face of securing a good life for their families. While I can't say I approve, that is unfortunately how the world works. But then again I'm the person with pie in the sky dreams and you're the bastion of logic and reason.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:21 am

San Lumen wrote:
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That's not how Praetorian Guards work unfortunately. They are generally paid and treated well specifically to engender extreme loyalty. The only way they defect is if somebody makes them a better offer, and I don't me "don't you think liberal democracy is just swell" or some other ideological platitude. I mean legitimate financial benefits for them or their families, which will usually result in another dictatorship. Otherwise you're going to have to fight through them, and that means a protracted and bloody civil war.

Screw their money. Blindly supporting him after what he’s done makes them even worse. They should all quit and join the protests. Everyone who works at his palace should walk out to. Let him clean his own place and make his own meals. Break stuff on the way out too.

That's the only way guards will walk out. And the population will only have a good chance of revolt if Belarus is embarrassed and their nation is in poverty. Right now, a month passed, and Belarus' Coordination Council was torn apart. There will be no revolution until at least 2022.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:21 am

Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:
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Yeah the heck with thr majority of the population. They are cowards and even worse monsters than him for blindly supporting him. They should quit.


But they simply won’t, for reasons like they really don’t care about what Lukashenko is doing.

They are even worse monsters and they ought to be ashamed of themselves but it must be nice to have such blind loyalty and not care about the suffering of the populous.

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