Possible Revolution in Belarus after Rigged election

[Loben III]

Americans die so Europeans dont have to, its how they like it.

I am fully in support of the EU building its own army, especially considering that they can't trust the US to help them anymore.

why should we help them?

[Bienenhalde]

Yes, and he is completely wrong. The EU has kept Europe peaceful and prosperous. They are not leeches at all.

No they haven't, "peaceful and prosperous" despite the wars in the 90s, and coups as well as countries like Spain having their own internal instability crisis but, y'know onwards and upwards and all that.

The Balkan wars occured in countries that were not part of the EU at the time and were previously ruled by oppresive communist dictatorships. Slovenia and Croatia have seen many improvements since joining the EU, and many people in the rest of the former Yugoslav countries are eager for their countries to join the EU as well.

[Bienenhalde]

Americans die so Europeans dont have to, its how they like it.

Haha. We're already balls deep in Ukraine and Armenia, let's not add another post-Soviet shithole to that list.

I think we should help those nations that are less fortunate than we are rather than wallowing in our wealth and luxury while others suffer.

[Thermodolia]

Okay neocon.

What's wrong with being a neo-con? Definately better than being a Trump-loving alt-righter or a pro-Xi tankie.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... need I go on? We have a long list of bungled and botched foreign interventions under neocon and neoliberal leadership.

Maybe we should change course back to the idea of just protecting the US and her allies and forgo spreading democracy by force

[Bear Stearns]

Haha. We're already balls deep in Ukraine and Armenia, let's not add another post-Soviet shithole to that list.

I think we should help those nations that are less fortunate than we are rather than wallowing in our wealth and luxury while others suffer.

It is Americans who are suffering.

If you really believe that put your money where your mouth is and donate all your wealth to a foreign aid charity.

[Loben III]

Haha. We're already balls deep in Ukraine and Armenia, let's not add another post-Soviet shithole to that list.

I think we should help those nations that are less fortunate than we are rather than wallowing in our wealth and luxury while others suffer.

oh look.

the neo lib's mask finally slips.

[Dresderstan]

What's wrong with being a neo-con? Definately better than being a Trump-loving alt-righter or a pro-Xi tankie.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... need I go on? We have a long list of bungled and botched foreign interventions under neocon and neoliberal leadership.

Maybe we should change course back to the idea of just protecting the US and her allies and forgo spreading democracy by force

Like what we were originally doing before the late 19th and later 20th century up to the present.

[Thermodolia]

I mean the trail of dead Iraqi kids would suggest there is a lot wrong with being a neo-con.

>Assuming Saddam wouldn't have killed as many or more children purposefully or as a result of starting unecessary wars had he remained in office. Absolute cringe.

Press x to doubt. Saddam while terrible was the least bad option. Instead we now have Christians being genocided, terrorists running around, general instability, and a whole bunch of people who hate America.

We never should have invaded Iraq

[Valrifell]

I think we should help those nations that are less fortunate than we are rather than wallowing in our wealth and luxury while others suffer.

It is Americans who are suffering.

If you really believe that put your money where your mouth is and donate all your wealth to a foreign aid charity.

If you really believe that Americans are suffering put your money where your mouth is and donate all your wealth to a domestic aid charity.

[Bienenhalde]

I think we should help those nations that are less fortunate than we are rather than wallowing in our wealth and luxury while others suffer.

It is Americans who are suffering.

If you really believe that put your money where your mouth is and donate all your wealth to a foreign aid charity.

Americans are suffering because of Trump's unconstitutional power grabs and gutting of the social safety net, yes. That has nothing to do with interventionist foreign policy. Indeed, Trump seems to support isolationism just like you do.

[Thermodolia]

No they haven't, "peaceful and prosperous" despite the wars in the 90s, and coups as well as countries like Spain having their own internal instability crisis but, y'know onwards and upwards and all that.

The Balkan wars occured in countries that were not part of the EU at the time and were previously ruled by oppresive communist dictatorships. Slovenia and Croatia have seen many improvements since joining the EU, and many people in the rest of the former Yugoslav countries are eager for their countries to join the EU as well.

Yugoslavia was the least oppressive dictatorship in the East. The reason why it fell was due to ethic issues and not oppression

[Bear Stearns]

It is Americans who are suffering.

If you really believe that put your money where your mouth is and donate all your wealth to a foreign aid charity.

If you really believe that Americans are suffering put your money where your mouth is and donate all your wealth to a domestic aid charity.

Apples to oranges. I advocate helping Americans through public policy that puts them first and ensures they are taken care of. In contrast to someone else's view that we're apparently wallowing in luxury and therefore need to help corrupt ex-Soviet republics fight wars.

[Dresderstan]

It is Americans who are suffering.

If you really believe that put your money where your mouth is and donate all your wealth to a foreign aid charity.

If you really believe that Americans are suffering put your money where your mouth is and donate all your wealth to a domestic aid charity.

*looks at what's happening in America rn* Uhhh you sure you don't want to be a bit more specific?

[Thermodolia]

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... need I go on? We have a long list of bungled and botched foreign interventions under neocon and neoliberal leadership.

Maybe we should change course back to the idea of just protecting the US and her allies and forgo spreading democracy by force

Like what we were originally doing before the late 19th and later 20th century up to the present.

I blame Wilson for all of this. That racist sack of shit left us with a major mess

[Bear Stearns]

It is Americans who are suffering.

If you really believe that put your money where your mouth is and donate all your wealth to a foreign aid charity.

Americans are suffering because of Trump's unconstitutional power grabs and gutting of the social safety net, yes. That has nothing to do with interventionist foreign policy. Indeed, Trump seems to support isolationism just like you do.

What unconstitutional power grab and gutting of social safety net? Nothing has literally changed on those fronts since the 1980s.

And Trump is such an isolationist he gave Ukraine $400 billion worth of armaments, has prostrated us to Israel, and routinely advocates for war in Iran and Venezuela. I'm surprised you don't support him.

[Bienenhalde]

I think we should help those nations that are less fortunate than we are rather than wallowing in our wealth and luxury while others suffer.

oh look.

the neo lib's mask finally slips.

Oh yes, caring for foreigners is so horrible.

[Bear Stearns]

If you really believe that Americans are suffering put your money where your mouth is and donate all your wealth to a domestic aid charity.

*looks at what's happening in America rn* Uhhh you sure you don't want to be a bit more specific?

Right...the pandemic, riots, and second great depression don't exist, apparently. Let's go to war!

[Valrifell]

If you really believe that Americans are suffering put your money where your mouth is and donate all your wealth to a domestic aid charity.

*looks at what's happening in America rn* Uhhh you sure you don't want to be a bit more specific?

...
Good point. I just hate the argument that "if you think X then you should give up all worldly possessions to that cause" because it's stupid. It's inherently flawed and hypocritical.

[Dresderstan]

oh look.

the neo lib's mask finally slips.

Oh yes, caring for foreigners is so horrible.

Why should we die for the interest of "spreading democracy" while everyone hates us and calls us warmongers. Again look at fucking Iraq and Syria and the mess Bush and arguably Obama left.

[Bear Stearns]

oh look.

the neo lib's mask finally slips.

Oh yes, caring for foreigners is so horrible.

Well it is peculiar when you seem to put their interests above that of Americans.

Also, I wouldn't really say you "care" about foreigners, given that you seem to advocate invading and bombing their countries.

[Loben III]

oh look.

the neo lib's mask finally slips.

Oh yes, caring for foreigners is so horrible.

its less that and believing that we are swimming in cash.

[Bienenhalde]

The Balkan wars occured in countries that were not part of the EU at the time and were previously ruled by oppresive communist dictatorships. Slovenia and Croatia have seen many improvements since joining the EU, and many people in the rest of the former Yugoslav countries are eager for their countries to join the EU as well.

Yugoslavia was the least oppressive dictatorship in the East. The reason why it fell was due to ethic issues and not oppression

Well, Tito was less bad than other communist dictators, but I still would oppose him. And anyway what happened in Yugoslavia wasn't the fault of the EU.

[Thermodolia]

oh look.

the neo lib's mask finally slips.

Oh yes, caring for foreigners is so horrible.

Diplomatic help is far better than invading their nations. We shouldn’t be intervening all crazy like but we shouldn’t completely forgo the world.

Instead we help the world diplomatically only and no military intervention

[San Lumen]

Oh yes, caring for foreigners is so horrible.

Why should we die for the interest of "spreading democracy" while everyone hates us and calls us warmongers. Again look at fucking Iraq and Syria and the mess Bush and arguably Obama left.

We should have let there be a massacre in Benghazi? You would have seen horrific images on tv the next day and said “how could we have prevented this?

[Loben III]

Why should we die for the interest of "spreading democracy" while everyone hates us and calls us warmongers. Again look at fucking Iraq and Syria and the mess Bush and arguably Obama left.

We should have let there be a massacre in Benghazi? You would have seen horrific images on tv the next day and said “how could we have prevented this?

and now we have open air slave markets in Libya.

progress, lumen.