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Postby Syrgastan » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:42 pm

I’m glad. I know a lot of people from Belarus and all of them hate it.

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Postby Picairn » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:42 pm

Dictatorships never last long. It's a question of when, not if, they will fall.

That being said, I wish for Belarussians to have free elections and a functioning democracy again.
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Postby Dollystana » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:43 pm

Theres already a thread like this

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Postby Nerovia » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:54 pm

Dollystana wrote:Theres already a thread like this

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=489654


I tried looking for it, but it was buried under numerous of other threads. Oh well.

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Postby Diarcesia » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:57 pm

The Lublin Triangle was created not that long ago. If Russia does not intervene... wait... am I hearing the rumblings of some winged hussars in the distance?

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Postby Unified German-State » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:57 pm

I think Lukashenko is cool and all but tbh I'm hoping it ends up like the Euromaidan.

Tbh I really like Lukashenko as a person and his regime isn't even that bad, compared to much of the EU, so I'm hoping that he gets extradited to Russia or someplace and I can play hockey with him.

EDIT: His regime PROBABLY isn't that bad, but still. Lukashenko seems like the kind of guy I can spend Christmas with along with some friends.
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Postby Nerovia » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:16 pm

Reading through numerous posts on Twitter on the situation, the demonstrations are entering their second night in a row with more and more people on the streets protesting. Police have responded violently in some videos, other posts have reported that the government has shut down the internet there as well.

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Postby Rusozak » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:44 pm

Unified German-State wrote:I think Lukashenko is cool and all but tbh I'm hoping it ends up like the Euromaidan.

Tbh I really like Lukashenko as a person and his regime isn't even that bad, compared to much of the EU, so I'm hoping that he gets extradited to Russia or someplace and I can play hockey with him.

EDIT: His regime PROBABLY isn't that bad, but still. Lukashenko seems like the kind of guy I can spend Christmas with along with some friends.


It sounds like the regime is just a continuation of the Soviet system, with some added nationalism.
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Postby Picairn » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:28 pm

Rusozak wrote:It sounds like the regime is just a continuation of the Soviet system, with some added nationalism.

Isn't that the same situation for Eastern European nations? They haven't been democratic since the end of the 90s.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:40 pm

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Alright maybe bring it down a few levels.


Something tells me that Ukraine's nuclear physicists aren't being treated in North Korea like their average citizens, but Ukraine pays so little to its actual experts, that other countries have no issues poaching them, not even North Korea. Imagine having a World class doctor willing to work as a nurse, and being happy with $1000 a week. Why wouldn't you poach?
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Postby Bienenhalde » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:41 pm

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Which is exactly why the west should intervene on their behalf.


We have exactly nothing to gain from such a move.


Don't you think the world will respect us more if we actually have the strength and courage to fight for our ideals?

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:44 pm

https://www.foxnews.com/world/belarus-t ... on-results

There is speculation the country could be at a tipping point and his reign could finally come to an end. Reports on the ground the say the protests continue to grow and the people are no longer afraid of the monster they call president and his police force

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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/world/belarus-tipping-point-protests-election-results

There is speculation the country could be at a tipping point and his reign could finally come to an end. Reports on the ground the say the protests continue to grow and the people are no longer afraid of the monster they call president and his police force

San Lumen citing Fox? Not everyday you see that, but it's just international news.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:16 pm

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/08/ ... est-a71098

Russian media isn't being very friendly to Lukashenko at the moment. Perhaps Russia won't step in?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:19 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
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We have exactly nothing to gain from such a move.


Don't you think the world will respect us more if we actually have the strength and courage to fight for our ideals?


Looking back on the past two decades of us intervening and fighting for our "ideals", no it just makes everyone hate us even more and creates more failed democracies.
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Postby Picairn » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:42 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Don't you think the world will respect us more if we actually have the strength and courage to fight for our ideals?

Idealistic, but impractical. Without proper planning we would just turn Belarus into another Iraq.
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Postby Radiatia » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:46 pm

I'm not going to get my hopes up but it would be wonderful if Lukashenko does get rolled.

I've actually been to Belarus and aside from the slightly weird political atmosphere, I really liked the place and the people, so I do hope this leads to something positive for them.

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Postby Vistulange » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:50 pm

Picairn wrote:Dictatorships never last long. It's a question of when, not if, they will fall.

That being said, I wish for Belarussians to have free elections and a functioning democracy again.

Not really. Rentier states are an infamous example of extremely stable autocracies.

For example, it's quite reasonable to say that as long as petroleum and natural gas remain important and crucial to the world economy, the Gulf dictatorships will never collapse.

On the other hand, Belarus is not a rentier state by any means, therefore necessitating that Lukashenko work within the realms of a constrained economy, which does indeed make it possible that he may be toppled, either through popular protests, through his own security apparatus, or a combination of both.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:54 pm

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Heloin wrote:The election was rigged, that's obvious to anyone who knows anything about Belarus. The massive protests are a sign for Lukashenko that his days are numbered. Is it a revolution? I don't think so, at least not yet, the night it young.

We shall see. I hope the people start attacking the security forces and their equipment and throw stuff at his palace


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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Heloin wrote:The election was rigged, that's obvious to anyone who knows anything about Belarus. The massive protests are a sign for Lukashenko that his days are numbered. Is it a revolution? I don't think so, at least not yet, the night it young.

We shall see. I hope the people start attacking the security forces and their equipment and throw stuff at his palace

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Postby Shofercia » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:50 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
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We have exactly nothing to gain from such a move.


Don't you think the world will respect us more if we actually have the strength and courage to fight for our ideals?


By aiding Saudi Arabia's War in Yemen?


San Lumen wrote:https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/08/10/the-people-have-been-insulted-russia-reacts-to-belarus-presidential-vote-unrest-a71098

Russian media isn't being very friendly to Lukashenko at the moment. Perhaps Russia won't step in?


The Moscow Times is against the Government in Russia, so I doubt that Russia's Government will listen to them when it comes to Government coups.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:33 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Don't you think the world will respect us more if we actually have the strength and courage to fight for our ideals?


By aiding Saudi Arabia's War in Yemen?


San Lumen wrote:https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/08/10/the-people-have-been-insulted-russia-reacts-to-belarus-presidential-vote-unrest-a71098

Russian media isn't being very friendly to Lukashenko at the moment. Perhaps Russia won't step in?


The Moscow Times is against the Government in Russia, so I doubt that Russia's Government will listen to them when it comes to Government coups.


There aren't newspapers in Russia which are anti-Putin, silly.
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Postby Sharania » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:24 am

The legitimate vinner of the elections Svyatlana Tsikhanouskaya is moving to Lithuania in order to avoid regime's repressions.

Well, that's it - Belarus now is Venezuella 2.0. Expect country-wide TP shortages in about... now.

P.S. The silence of the POTUS, his StateSec and the GOP in this matter is deafening. Perhaps, they are secretely wishing for their own stormtrooper goon squads beating protesters into a pulp with no restraint. but what do I know about their thought process? The Democrats are the only ones who are demanding new harsh sanctions.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:27 am

Sharania wrote:The legitimate vinner of the elections Svyatlana Tsikhanouskaya is moving to Lithuania in order to avoid regime's repressions.

Well, that's it - Belarus now is Venezuella 2.0. Expect country-wide TP shortages in about... now.

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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:32 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
We have exactly nothing to gain from such a move.


Don't you think the world will respect us more if we actually have the strength and courage to fight for our ideals?


How has that gone for the West in the last two decades or so?

And its laughable to think that we could just intervene in Belarus, a stone's throw away from Russia, and have the Kremlin do nothing.
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