Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:13 pm
My inner posadist says no, but he's a madman, so probably it should be a war crime.
Because sometimes even national leaders just want to hang out
https://forum.nationstates.net/
Organized States wrote:I appreciate how OP cites a number of forum posts rather than any actual academic resources about Operation Downfall or the Manhattan Project...
You know, like Richard B. Frank's Downfall or Don Farrell's Tinian and the Bomb.
Aeritai wrote:Rusozak wrote:
What about dropping the bomb someplace where civilians wouldn't be hurt but a lot of people could see it happen? Like a warning shot with a nuke, since at the time nuclear weapons were a secret and such destructive force would have probably been dismissed as impossible without a demonstration.
Weren't leaflets dropped to warn civilians?
Correct me if I am wrong.
Ethel mermania wrote:Organized States wrote:I appreciate how OP cites a number of forum posts rather than any actual academic resources about Operation Downfall or the Manhattan Project...
You know, like Richard B. Frank's Downfall or Don Farrell's Tinian and the Bomb.
Frank writes lots of details. His Guadalcanal book was very good too.
Novus America wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Frank writes lots of details. His Guadalcanal book was very good too.
John Toland’s The Rising Sun is a great book on the subject because he uses Japanese primary sources like merging meetings, interviews and direct quotes to really get into just how dysfunctional Japanese governance and politics was at the time.
Cisairse wrote:Does the phrase "war crime" mean anything anymore? Seriously. I've seen people accuse Bill Clinton of committing a war crime by not intervening in the Rwanda Genocide.
The Black Forrest wrote:Cisairse wrote:Does the phrase "war crime" mean anything anymore? Seriously. I've seen people accuse Bill Clinton of committing a war crime by not intervening in the Rwanda Genocide.
Well? General Dallaire said he only needed 5000 properly equipped troops and a free hand and he could have stopped the genocide. We had them and Clinton and the government looked the other way. Well they did send some properly equipped troops.....to get the nationals out and then left.
It is one of the failures I blame Clinton.
Anyway....this is a tangent.....
Cisairse wrote:Does the phrase "war crime" mean anything anymore? Seriously. I've seen people accuse Bill Clinton of committing a war crime by not intervening in the Rwanda Genocide.
Cisairse wrote:Does the phrase "war crime" mean anything anymore? Seriously. I've seen people accuse Bill Clinton of committing a war crime by not intervening in the Rwanda Genocide.
Cisairse wrote:Does the phrase "war crime" mean anything anymore? Seriously. I've seen people accuse Bill Clinton of committing a war crime by not intervening in the Rwanda Genocide.
Rusozak wrote:Cisairse wrote:Does the phrase "war crime" mean anything anymore? Seriously. I've seen people accuse Bill Clinton of committing a war crime by not intervening in the Rwanda Genocide.
I'm pretty sure deliberately targeting civilians is still a war crime though, which is kind of hard not to do with a nuke.
Ethel mermania wrote:If an enemy were to attack the US. One thing they would want to do is disable the US's secure communications to Europe. In order to do that they would have to take out the long lines building in lower Manhattan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/33_Thomas_Street
The only way to do that is to hit it directly with a tactical nuke (maybe 2,700 tons of ammonium nitrate may do) Lower Manhattan, including me, would be vaporized.
You folks are saying because of its location a nuclear attack on it, would be a war crime, even though a direct hit by a nuke is the only way guaranteed to take it out.
Aclion wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:If an enemy were to attack the US. One thing they would want to do is disable the US's secure communications to Europe. In order to do that they would have to take out the long lines building in lower Manhattan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/33_Thomas_Street
The only way to do that is to hit it directly with a tactical nuke (maybe 2,700 tons of ammonium nitrate may do) Lower Manhattan, including me, would be vaporized.
You folks are saying because of its location a nuclear attack on it, would be a war crime, even though a direct hit by a nuke is the only way guaranteed to take it out.
Actually in that case theres a colorable argument that the war crime would be the US using the citizens of Manhattan as human shields and the US would be responsible for that. just as not accepting surrender from and enemy that engages in perfidy isn't a war crime, the perfidy is.
Rusozak wrote:Cisairse wrote:Does the phrase "war crime" mean anything anymore? Seriously. I've seen people accuse Bill Clinton of committing a war crime by not intervening in the Rwanda Genocide.
I'm pretty sure deliberately targeting civilians is still a war crime though, which is kind of hard not to do with a nuke.
Ethel mermania wrote:Pretty much what LeMay said. Japan won, he would have been hung.
Disgraces wrote:Yes. WMDs are cringe and also fuck the enviroment