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by West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:13 pm
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by Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:39 pm
by Organized States » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:42 pm
by Ethel mermania » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:57 pm
Organized States wrote:I appreciate how OP cites a number of forum posts rather than any actual academic resources about Operation Downfall or the Manhattan Project...
You know, like Richard B. Frank's Downfall or Don Farrell's Tinian and the Bomb.
by Rusozak » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:02 pm
Aeritai wrote:Rusozak wrote:
What about dropping the bomb someplace where civilians wouldn't be hurt but a lot of people could see it happen? Like a warning shot with a nuke, since at the time nuclear weapons were a secret and such destructive force would have probably been dismissed as impossible without a demonstration.
Weren't leaflets dropped to warn civilians?
Correct me if I am wrong.
by Novus America » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:05 pm
Ethel mermania wrote:Organized States wrote:I appreciate how OP cites a number of forum posts rather than any actual academic resources about Operation Downfall or the Manhattan Project...
You know, like Richard B. Frank's Downfall or Don Farrell's Tinian and the Bomb.
Frank writes lots of details. His Guadalcanal book was very good too.
by Ethel mermania » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:49 pm
Novus America wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Frank writes lots of details. His Guadalcanal book was very good too.
John Toland’s The Rising Sun is a great book on the subject because he uses Japanese primary sources like merging meetings, interviews and direct quotes to really get into just how dysfunctional Japanese governance and politics was at the time.
by MC United » Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:33 pm
by Cisairse » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:11 pm
by The Black Forrest » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:23 pm
Cisairse wrote:Does the phrase "war crime" mean anything anymore? Seriously. I've seen people accuse Bill Clinton of committing a war crime by not intervening in the Rwanda Genocide.
by Goldilock » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:33 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Cisairse wrote:Does the phrase "war crime" mean anything anymore? Seriously. I've seen people accuse Bill Clinton of committing a war crime by not intervening in the Rwanda Genocide.
Well? General Dallaire said he only needed 5000 properly equipped troops and a free hand and he could have stopped the genocide. We had them and Clinton and the government looked the other way. Well they did send some properly equipped troops.....to get the nationals out and then left.
It is one of the failures I blame Clinton.
Anyway....this is a tangent.....
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:34 pm
Cisairse wrote:Does the phrase "war crime" mean anything anymore? Seriously. I've seen people accuse Bill Clinton of committing a war crime by not intervening in the Rwanda Genocide.
by Rusozak » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:51 pm
Cisairse wrote:Does the phrase "war crime" mean anything anymore? Seriously. I've seen people accuse Bill Clinton of committing a war crime by not intervening in the Rwanda Genocide.
by Vetalia » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:54 pm
Cisairse wrote:Does the phrase "war crime" mean anything anymore? Seriously. I've seen people accuse Bill Clinton of committing a war crime by not intervening in the Rwanda Genocide.
by Holy Tedalonia » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:59 pm
Rusozak wrote:Cisairse wrote:Does the phrase "war crime" mean anything anymore? Seriously. I've seen people accuse Bill Clinton of committing a war crime by not intervening in the Rwanda Genocide.
I'm pretty sure deliberately targeting civilians is still a war crime though, which is kind of hard not to do with a nuke.
by Ethel mermania » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:05 pm
by Aclion » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:15 pm
Ethel mermania wrote:If an enemy were to attack the US. One thing they would want to do is disable the US's secure communications to Europe. In order to do that they would have to take out the long lines building in lower Manhattan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/33_Thomas_Street
The only way to do that is to hit it directly with a tactical nuke (maybe 2,700 tons of ammonium nitrate may do) Lower Manhattan, including me, would be vaporized.
You folks are saying because of its location a nuclear attack on it, would be a war crime, even though a direct hit by a nuke is the only way guaranteed to take it out.
by Northwest Slobovia » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:33 pm
Aclion wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:If an enemy were to attack the US. One thing they would want to do is disable the US's secure communications to Europe. In order to do that they would have to take out the long lines building in lower Manhattan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/33_Thomas_Street
The only way to do that is to hit it directly with a tactical nuke (maybe 2,700 tons of ammonium nitrate may do) Lower Manhattan, including me, would be vaporized.
You folks are saying because of its location a nuclear attack on it, would be a war crime, even though a direct hit by a nuke is the only way guaranteed to take it out.
Actually in that case theres a colorable argument that the war crime would be the US using the citizens of Manhattan as human shields and the US would be responsible for that. just as not accepting surrender from and enemy that engages in perfidy isn't a war crime, the perfidy is.
by Cisairse » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:21 pm
Rusozak wrote:Cisairse wrote:Does the phrase "war crime" mean anything anymore? Seriously. I've seen people accuse Bill Clinton of committing a war crime by not intervening in the Rwanda Genocide.
I'm pretty sure deliberately targeting civilians is still a war crime though, which is kind of hard not to do with a nuke.
by Outer Acharet » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:26 pm
News? What news? News is for people who don't have a bloated military-industrial complex strangling their apparatus of state. Wait, that sounds like a bad thing, doesn't it?
by Vetalia » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:57 pm
Ethel mermania wrote:Pretty much what LeMay said. Japan won, he would have been hung.
by Greater Crocodilia » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:04 pm
Disgraces wrote:Yes. WMDs are cringe and also fuck the enviroment
by Rusozak » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:14 pm
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