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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:27 pm

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Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire wrote:You conveniently left out the next line from the Wikipedia article, which states
I'm not denying that Columbus did bad things (after all, he did still do some pretty awful things to the Taino), but the atrocities he committed against the natives are likely exaggerated by the Spanish themselves. A more neutral source would be helpful. In addition, there's still the "black legend" overall from the Spanish colonial days which influences accounts of ol' Chris to this day. He's used at this point as a symbol for the depopulation of the indigenous peoples of the New World. That's why I don't think Columbus deserves as much hate as he does.

Edit: I feel like Fallout 76 with constantly updating this poorly written initial post into something... more workable


Actually... I, uh, didn't notice that bit. I was skimming over the article looking for what I needed, my bad. And I do concede that Bobadilla was likely biased in his assessment of Columbus, as were those who judged him (as I understand it, they were particularly shocked by the fact that the enslaved peoples were already converted to Christianity) and there's definitely worse things in Spain's colonial record, particularly their atrocities at Potosí. I think people look to Columbus to point out the dark side of Spanish colonialism because he's a figure the common perception knows as a jolly old explorer, not a greed-motivated entrepreneur with a willingness to look the other way at certain less-than-moral acts.

tl;dr, sorry, i'm tired and forgot to gather context, you're absolutely correct


Sorry to be that guy, but Ol’ Columbo isn’t the topic of the thread. It’s about Indian courts approving the reinstatement of a Hindu temple on a Hindu holy site that until recently was the site of a mosque built to insult and degrade Hindus and their beliefs.
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Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:"uhh peace!!"
"nuh-uhh!! uhh based hindus!!!"

Imagine using "Imagine" as a response.

They're 100% right. It's a debate forum. We're debating

You're not debating. You're stating your opinion.
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Postby Outer Acharet » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:30 pm

Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire wrote:We should've listened to Gandhi guys. It would make a great nuclear silo to obliterate his enemies.

In all seriousness though, I see nothing wrong with this.
Qihein wrote:Good for India, symbols of oppression should be torn down. I wish it would easier getting rid of oppressive symbols in the U.S like Confederate and Christopher Columbus statues :(

This on the other hand. While the Confederate statues really are neo-Confederate propaganda, Christopher Columbus wasn't the guy murdering natives just fyi. It was actually disease and the conquistadors doing that (thanks, Hernan Cortes and Francisco Pizarro).


The Islands of Versilia wrote:Sorry to be that guy, but Ol’ Columbo isn’t the topic of the thread. It’s about Indian courts approving the reinstatement of a Hindu temple on a Hindu holy site that until recently was the site of a mosque built to insult and degrade Hindus and their beliefs.


We're done, it was a tangent, here's what started it. At least it wasn't as bad as the "On Blaming Religion for Trump" thread.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:31 pm

Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:They're 100% right. It's a debate forum. We're debating

You're not debating. You're stating your opinion.

How do you think that a debate works? How in the fudge do you propose that we have a debate without stating our opinion? You do know what a debate is, don't you?
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Neanderthaland wrote:Imagine getting this upset over people expressing their opinion in a debate forum. When asked their opinion.

"uhh peace!!"
"nuh-uhh!! uhh based hindus!!!"

Imagine using "Imagine" as a response.

Imagine being annoyed by debate on a debate forum.
Imagine then getting peeved for getting called out on it.

I think I shall meditate with the maharishi on that.
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"nuh-uhh!! uhh based hindus!!!"

Imagine using "Imagine" as a response.

They're 100% right. It's a debate forum. We're debating

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Neanderthaland wrote:Imagine getting this upset over people expressing their opinion in a debate forum. When asked their opinion.

"uhh peace!!"
"nuh-uhh!! uhh based hindus!!!"

This is more of a hay bale than a straw man.

It's so badly formed I can't even tell which position you're trying to misrepresent.
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Postby Munkcestrian RepubIic » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:47 pm

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Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:You're not debating. You're stating your opinion.

How do you think that a debate works? How in the fudge do you propose that we have a debate without stating our opinion? You do know what a debate is, don't you?

definition of 'debate': "serious discussion of a subject in which many people take part"

I see an issue with 'serious' and 'many people'.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:48 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:"uhh peace!!"
"nuh-uhh!! uhh based hindus!!!"

This is more of a hay bale than a straw man.

It's so badly formed I can't even tell which position you're trying to misrepresent.

use your imagination
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I don’t understand how you can support confederate monuments being torn down but oppose Babri Masjid’s destruction without being a hypocrite

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Postby Munkcestrian RepubIic » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:51 pm

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Australian rePublic wrote:They're 100% right. It's a debate forum. We're debating

Authoritarian commies don't usually like their enemies being able to say anything.

"anyone i disagree with is a commie"

Neanderthaland wrote:
Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:"uhh peace!!"
"nuh-uhh!! uhh based hindus!!!"

This is more of a hay bale than a straw man.

It's so badly formed I can't even tell which position you're trying to misrepresent.

It's fucking ridiculous. How can you form an opinion on something you cannot relate to on any level?

North American Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Typical de Blasio for bowing to the Muslims. I say good on the Hindus for getting back what was rightfully theirs.

I mean look at this post. It sounds like LARPing, it's just so artificial and it shows through.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:53 pm

The mosque was destroyed 28 years ago
We're about 20 years or so too late to have a discussion about whether or not it should have been torn down. What's done is done. Now it's a matter of what should be built there. Considering that part of the reason that mosque was put there was to spite Hindus, I'm on team temple
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Australian rePublic wrote:They're 100% right. It's a debate forum. We're debating

Authoritarian commies don't usually like their enemies being able to say anything.

Now you see why people dislike SJWs?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:59 pm

Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:How do you think that a debate works? How in the fudge do you propose that we have a debate without stating our opinion? You do know what a debate is, don't you?

definition of 'debate': "serious discussion of a subject in which many people take part"

I see an issue with 'serious' and 'many people'.

Yes, and this thread is a debate.

You, on the other hand, showed up solely to shitpost and bitch about non-Indians daring to have an opinion on the topic.
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Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:This is more of a hay bale than a straw man.

It's so badly formed I can't even tell which position you're trying to misrepresent.

It's fucking ridiculous. How can you form an opinion on something you cannot relate to on any level?

I guess then I can't be for women's suffrage or freeing slaves, because I've never been a woman or a slave?
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Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:definition of 'debate': "serious discussion of a subject in which many people take part"

I see an issue with 'serious' and 'many people'.

Yes, and this thread is a debate.

You, on the other hand, showed up solely to shitpost and bitch about non-Indians daring to have an opinion on the topic.


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Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:It's fucking ridiculous. How can you form an opinion on something you cannot relate to on any level?

I guess then I can't be for women's suffrage or freeing slaves, because I've never been a woman or a slave?


It seems you guys don't fucking get it, so let me explain it.

Region of Dwipantara wrote:Dang the history of the site is terrible.
Wiki wrote:Communal riots between Hindus and Muslims occurred across India immediately following demolition of the mosque. Rioting in the immediate aftermath resulted in the deaths of an estimated 2,000 people. Six weeks of riots further erupted in Bombay, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 900 people.

Jihadist outfits like Indian Mujahideen and Lashkar-e-Taiba have cited the demolition of Babri Masjid as justification for attacks directed against India. Gangster Dawood Ibrahim, wanted in India for his alleged ties to the 1993 Bombay bombings which killed 257 people, is believed to have been infuriated by the Babri Masjid's demolition.


You will never be in such a situation. You are incapable of comprehending such a situation. Statements like "yeah!! go Hindus!! about time!!" or "noooo!! i want the mosque back!!" are completely meaningless, especially when you have literally never heard of this place before and have formed your opinion in less than ten minutes.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:07 pm

Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Yes, and this thread is a debate.

You, on the other hand, showed up solely to shitpost and bitch about non-Indians daring to have an opinion on the topic.


Neanderthaland wrote:I guess then I can't be for women's suffrage or freeing slaves, because I've never been a woman or a slave?


It seems you guys don't fucking get it, so let me explain it.

Region of Dwipantara wrote:Dang the history of the site is terrible.


You will never be in such a situation. You are incapable of comprehending such a situation. Statements like "yeah!! go Hindus!! about time!!" or "noooo!! i want the mosque back!!" are completely meaningless, especially when you have literally never heard of this place before and have formed your opinion in less than ten minutes.

This thread is a debate.

You, on the other hand, showed up solely to shitpost and bitch about non-Indians daring to have an opinion on the topic.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:08 pm

Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Yes, and this thread is a debate.

You, on the other hand, showed up solely to shitpost and bitch about non-Indians daring to have an opinion on the topic.


Neanderthaland wrote:I guess then I can't be for women's suffrage or freeing slaves, because I've never been a woman or a slave?


It seems you guys don't fucking get it, so let me explain it.

Region of Dwipantara wrote:Dang the history of the site is terrible.


You will never be in such a situation. You are incapable of comprehending such a situation. Statements like "yeah!! go Hindus!! about time!!" or "noooo!! i want the mosque back!!" are completely meaningless, especially when you have literally never heard of this place before and have formed your opinion in less than ten minutes.


Just because you quote yourself does not mean you have a valid point.

In fact it simply confirms Mr. Ug's.
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Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:


It seems you guys don't fucking get it, so let me explain it.



You will never be in such a situation. You are incapable of comprehending such a situation. Statements like "yeah!! go Hindus!! about time!!" or "noooo!! i want the mosque back!!" are completely meaningless, especially when you have literally never heard of this place before and have formed your opinion in less than ten minutes.

This thread is a debate.

You, on the other hand, showed up solely to shitpost and bitch about non-Indians daring to have an opinion on the topic.

"we're debating!! we're DEBATING!! we're totally debating!"

Are you also pondering over the great questions of our time? I mean, you're already puffing it up.
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Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:


It seems you guys don't fucking get it, so let me explain it.



You will never be in such a situation. You are incapable of comprehending such a situation. Statements like "yeah!! go Hindus!! about time!!" or "noooo!! i want the mosque back!!" are completely meaningless, especially when you have literally never heard of this place before and have formed your opinion in less than ten minutes.


Just because you quote yourself does not mean you have a valid point.

In fact it simply confirms Mr. Ug's.

Wasn't quoting myself, bro.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:16 pm

Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Just because you quote yourself does not mean you have a valid point.

In fact it simply confirms Mr. Ug's.

Wasn't quoting myself, bro.


I wasn't talking about the wiki, I was talking about your comment



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Postby Neanderthaland » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:17 pm

Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:I guess then I can't be for women's suffrage or freeing slaves, because I've never been a woman or a slave?


It seems you guys don't fucking get it, so let me explain it.

Region of Dwipantara wrote:Dang the history of the site is terrible.


You will never be in such a situation. You are incapable of comprehending such a situation. Statements like "yeah!! go Hindus!! about time!!" or "noooo!! i want the mosque back!!" are completely meaningless, especially when you have literally never heard of this place before and have formed your opinion in less than ten minutes.

It seems you don't fucking get it. I can comprehend situations even if I've never been in them personally. I guess you can't, but for most people this is a relatively easy thing to do. We can go further, and even relate it to other subjects that might be more familiar. I could ask Jewish NSers how they feel about the idea of tearing down the Dome of the Rock and rebuilding their temple, and whether that would be the right thing to do. Or various Pagan/indigenous temples that were Christianized or destroyed. Or ask Christians about the Hagia Sophia being a Mosque. It's not a totally unrelatable situation. It even bares a little similarity to the current trend of tearing down statuary of questionable historical figures, and the question of what, if anything, should replace them. It's possible to think about this stuff. And that's what the OP asked us to do. So we did.

Further, I realize that you may have only learned about this 10 minutes ago. But some of us who pay more attention to global affairs have known about this for a while. Some of us even remember when the Mosque was destroyed.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:17 pm

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Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:Wasn't quoting myself, bro.


I wasn't talking about the wiki, I was talking about your comment



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I don’t think the current conversation has much to do with the Hindu Temple
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Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Yes, and this thread is a debate.

You, on the other hand, showed up solely to shitpost and bitch about non-Indians daring to have an opinion on the topic.


Neanderthaland wrote:I guess then I can't be for women's suffrage or freeing slaves, because I've never been a woman or a slave?


It seems you guys don't fucking get it, so let me explain it.

Region of Dwipantara wrote:Dang the history of the site is terrible.


You will never be in such a situation. You are incapable of comprehending such a situation. Statements like "yeah!! go Hindus!! about time!!" or "noooo!! i want the mosque back!!" are completely meaningless, especially when you have literally never heard of this place before and have formed your opinion in less than ten minutes.


Actually several of us had heard of this before. This controversy has been going on a while.
Nice if you to assume everyone but you is ignorant though.

And actually we do have some relevant and somewhat similar experiences, as was brought up, such as debates over monuments and sometimes vigilante groups attacking them.

So actually both your premises are wrong. But even if they were right, you would still be wrong because the whole “just because you do not live in a place means you cannot talk about it” is still a thought terminating cliche. Thus this is fractal wrongness. Wrong at every level.

Now do you want to contribute to the debate? Or just shit post?
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Postby Munkcestrian RepubIic » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:21 pm

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Munkcestrian RepubIic wrote:Wasn't quoting myself, bro.


I wasn't talking about the wiki, I was talking about your comment



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How the fuck did I "insult" you? And I wasn't quoting myself.
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