Historic Hindu Temple Inaugurated in India on site of Mosque

[The Reformed American Republic]

Mount Rushmore ?

Not a confederate monument.
Also not as valid an argument when the group claims literally everything is sacred, because then there's not the option of building things somewhere else, and becomes much like the mosque, more about preventing other's practices then preserving you're own.

It should be noted that we did not bury Native American artifacts there and set it up so that they would be trampled underfoot everytime people went there.

The Muslims did do that on the other hand.

[Bear Stearns]

This would be relevant if the confederate monuments had been built over black churches or something.

Mount Rushmore ?

The Sioux were genocidal monsters. Mount Rushmore stays.

[Gurkha Nepal]

Again: muslims convert holy sites from other religions into mosques all the time. They've taken over quite a few churches that were now longer used due to people abandoning their faith.
Why should Hindus not be allowed to convert an old unused site formerly containing a mosque to a temple ?

Two wrongs don't make a right. What certain muslims do doesnt justify Hindus saying "fuck your mosque," and I would rather this not happen at all.

Erdogan turning the Hagia Sophia into a mosque doesn't justify this. The Hagia Sophia is, I repeat, IS a Greek Orthodox Church, and that "Hindu Temple" is sitting on a mosque.

This makes no sense because the temple was there before and Babur destroyed it and built to mosque to symbolize Islamic supremacy

[Aureumterra]

Gotta be woke and virtue signal, even though you’ve never likely once set foot in India

I remember seeing this thing about a college protest in the US to "free" Kashmir, most of the protestors were white liberals who’ve never been to India, the interviewer went up to this guy (who was really stereotypical, with died hair and piercings everywhere), and asked him why he was protesting. The guy said "to free Kashmiri Muslims oppressed by India."

The journalist then asked about the Kashmiri Pundits, the Hindus who were exiled from the area, he said "I don’t know, they sound like something the Indian government made up."

Seems like a Virtue Signaling expert

[Minskiev]

Hold on. So, this is..good for Hindu people, yes?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Hold on. So, this is..good for Hindu people, yes?

It's good period.

Foreigner invaders desecrated a native religious site just to say "fuck you"; it was a flip of the bird, which is now being corrected. But of course because Muslims are a minority they're naturally being "oppressed" when symbols of their former oppression are being torn down.

If the roles were reversed everybody decrying this as bigoted and discriminatory would be singing praises because, y'know, the majority is always evil and oppressive and the minority always innocent and oppressed.

[No State Here]

Good. Symbols of oppression should be torn down, just like the confederate statues in the US.

India was a place where, for a long time, the minority oppressed the majority

[The Islands of Versilia]

Hold on. So, this is..good for Hindu people, yes?

It’s removing a symbol of Hindu oppression and Arab Muslim supremacy [and restoring the site to its true function], so yes.

[-Astoria-]

If the roles were reversed everybody decrying this as bigoted and discriminatory would be singing praises because, y'know, the majority is always evil and oppressive and the minority always innocent and oppressed.

chinny reckon

India was a place where, for a long time, the minority oppressed the majority

So let me get this straight:

tyranny of the minority: bad

tyranny of the majority: better?

[Bear Stearns]

tyranny of the majority: better?

That's what the entire West said in regards to South Africa and Zimbabwe.

[-Astoria-]

tyranny of the majority: better?

That's what the entire West said in regards to South Africa and Zimbabwe.

Let me introduce you to apartheid & Rhodesia, respectively.

*This should not be taken as endorsement of the Mugabe regime, nor the numerous pitfalls & flaws of the ANC, in case you didn't know.

[Minskiev]

Hold on. So, this is..good for Hindu people, yes?

It's good period.

Foreigner invaders desecrated a native religious site just to say "fuck you"; it was a flip of the bird, which is now being corrected. But of course because Muslims are a minority they're naturally being "oppressed" when symbols of their former oppression are being torn down.

If the roles were reversed everybody decrying this as bigoted and discriminatory would be singing praises because, y'know, the majority is always evil and oppressive and the minority always innocent and oppressed.

Never meant bad for others. This does seem like something good, as I’m not sure how happy I’d be if the Brits burnt out White House down in the War of 1812, but we never rebuilt it.

[Aureumterra]

Hold on. So, this is..good for Hindu people, yes?

It’s removing a symbol of Hindu oppression and Arab Muslim supremacy [and restoring the site to its true function], so yes.

*Persianite Muslim supremacy

[Ethel mermania]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Simbe ... Relocation
The building was literally built by a conquering apartheid state for the explicit purpose of genocide.

Wow we are on the same page.

That makes 3. Scary.


Martha hold me....

[Aureumterra]

tyranny of the majority: better?

Did anyone say that?

[Hanafuridake]

I see nothing wrong with reclaiming one of the most monumental sites of Indian culture and rebuilding a temple to one of the most famous figures in literature.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

We should've listened to Gandhi guys. It would make a great nuclear silo to obliterate his enemies.

In all seriousness though, I see nothing wrong with this.

This on the other hand. While the Confederate statues really are neo-Confederate propaganda, Christopher Columbus wasn't the guy murdering natives just fyi. It was actually disease and the conquistadors doing that (thanks, Hernan Cortes and Francisco Pizarro).

Ol' Chrissy wasn't innocent, either. You know how he got arrested and sent back to Europe? Twice?

Bobadilla reported to Spain that Columbus regularly used torture and mutilation to govern Hispaniola. The 48-page report, found in 2006 in the national archive in the Spanish city of Simancas, contains testimonies from 23 people, including both enemies and supporters of Columbus, about the treatment of colonial subjects by Columbus and his brothers during his seven-year rule.[98]

According to the report, Columbus once punished a man found guilty of stealing corn by having his ears and nose cut off and then selling him into slavery. Testimony recorded in the report stated that Columbus congratulated his brother Bartolomeo on "defending the family" when the latter ordered a woman paraded naked through the streets and then had her tongue cut out for suggesting that Columbus was of lowly birth.[98] The document also describes how Columbus put down native unrest and revolt: he first ordered a brutal crackdown in which many natives were killed, and then paraded their dismembered bodies through the streets in an attempt to discourage further rebellion.[99]

Christopher Columbus took the people of Hispaniola's gold, enslaved them, and had them mine for more until they died. And this was after he had converted them to Christianity, which was a big no-no to the Church. He was a brutal dictator and was stripped of his governing position by the Spanish monarchy for his deeds, only being allowed to return to the New World on his deathbed to see the land he'd uncovered.

However, IMO he's also an important figure, and many places' statues of him aren't celebrating these deeds. These deeds most often came to light in the modern day well after the statues were put up, which gives them time to become markers and symbols of the community. When they were built he was the man who discovered America, not a greedy tyrant.

You conveniently left out the next line from the Wikipedia article, which states

The neutrality and accuracy of this report and the accusations of Bobadilla towards Columbus and his brothers have been disputed by historians, given the anti-Italian sentiment of the Spaniards and Bobadilla's desire to take over Columbus' position.[100][101][102]

I'm not denying that Columbus did bad things (after all, he did still do some pretty awful things to the Taino), but the atrocities he committed against the natives are likely exaggerated by the Spanish themselves. A more neutral source would be helpful. In addition, there's still the "black legend" overall from the Spanish colonial days which influences accounts of ol' Chris to this day. He's used at this point as a symbol for the depopulation of the indigenous peoples of the New World. That's why I don't think Columbus deserves as much hate as he does.

Edit: I feel like Fallout 76 with constantly updating this poorly written initial post into something... more workable

[Outer Acharet]

You conveniently left out the next line from the Wikipedia article, which states

The neutrality and accuracy of this report and the accusations of Bobadilla towards Columbus and his brothers have been disputed by historians, given the anti-Italian sentiment of the Spaniards and Bobadilla's desire to take over Columbus' position.[100][101][102]

I'm not denying that Columbus did bad things (after all, he did still do some pretty awful things to the Taino), but the atrocities he committed against the natives are likely exaggerated by the Spanish themselves. A more neutral source would be helpful. In addition, there's still the "black legend" overall from the Spanish colonial days which influences accounts of ol' Chris to this day. He's used at this point as a symbol for the depopulation of the indigenous peoples of the New World. That's why I don't think Columbus deserves as much hate as he does.

Edit: I feel like Fallout 76 with constantly updating this poorly written initial post into something... more workable

Actually... I, uh, didn't notice that bit. I was skimming over the article looking for what I needed, my bad. And I do concede that Bobadilla was likely biased in his assessment of Columbus, as were those who judged him (as I understand it, they were particularly shocked by the fact that the enslaved peoples were already converted to Christianity) and there's definitely worse things in Spain's colonial record, particularly their atrocities at Potosí. I think people look to Columbus to point out the dark side of Spanish colonialism because he's a figure the common perception knows as a jolly old explorer, not a greed-motivated entrepreneur with a willingness to look the other way at certain less-than-moral acts.

tl;dr, sorry, i'm tired and forgot to gather context, you're absolutely correct

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Why the fuck do any of you care so much? 90% of the people responding are Americans.

[Outer Acharet]

Why the fuck do any of you care so much? 90% of the people responding are Americans.

We like passing judgement on other people's affairs. It's a privilege we get from being TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE.

[Neanderthaland]

Why the fuck do any of you care so much? 90% of the people responding are Americans.

Imagine getting this upset over people expressing their opinion in a debate forum. When asked their opinion.

[Aeritai]

Why the fuck do any of you care so much? 90% of the people responding are Americans.

It's a debate forum we're suppose to give our opinions on threads like this.

As for my opinion on this subject, not sure how I feel about this, but hopefully tensions between Hindus and Muslims don't escalate.

[Australian rePublic]

You people are missing something important here. The mosque hasn't been for 28 years. If you rebuilt the mosque, you wouldn't be rebuilding the mosque, you'd be building a replica of it. Okay, carry on

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Why the fuck do any of you care so much? 90% of the people responding are Americans.

Imagine getting this upset over people expressing their opinion in a debate forum. When asked their opinion.

"uhh peace!!"
"nuh-uhh!! uhh based hindus!!!"

Imagine using "Imagine" as a response.

[Australian rePublic]

Imagine getting this upset over people expressing their opinion in a debate forum. When asked their opinion.

"uhh peace!!"
"nuh-uhh!! uhh based hindus!!!"

Imagine using "Imagine" as a response.

They're 100% right. It's a debate forum. We're debating