Of course not. There shouldn't be any conflict over this in the first place. That Mosque is a symbol of oppersion in India so of course the majority of Indians do not want it there.
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by Dangine » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:00 am
by Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:05 am
Qihein wrote:Good for India, symbols of oppression should be torn down. I wish it would easier getting rid of oppressive symbols in the U.S like Confederate and Christopher Columbus statues
by The Alma Mater » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:11 am
Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire wrote:This on the other hand. While the Confederate statues really are neo-Confederate propaganda, Christopher Columbus wasn't the guy murdering natives just fyi. It was actually disease and the conquistadors doing that (thanks, Hernan Cortes and Francisco Pizarro).
by Novus America » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:13 am
The Alma Mater wrote:Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire wrote:This on the other hand. While the Confederate statues really are neo-Confederate propaganda, Christopher Columbus wasn't the guy murdering natives just fyi. It was actually disease and the conquistadors doing that (thanks, Hernan Cortes and Francisco Pizarro).
When questioned about him though, natives tend to be... "not positive".
by Salus Maior » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:23 am
The Hindustani State wrote:The Babri Masjid was a continuing symbol of the subjugation and oppression of Hindus under the Indian Sultanates and Islamic ruling class.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:24 am
by Novus America » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:42 am
Salus Maior wrote:The Hindustani State wrote:The Babri Masjid was a continuing symbol of the subjugation and oppression of Hindus under the Indian Sultanates and Islamic ruling class.
The Sultans were kicked out centuries ago, and it'd be laughable to say that Muslims have had a privileged position over Hindus in India since independence.
Whatever oppression was associated with the Mosque is just pages in Indian history by now, and history, regardless of whether it's pleasant or not is important and part of human identity.
Frankly, it could have been turned into a Museum like Hagia Sophia (or at least what Hagia Sophia was).
by The Alma Mater » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:45 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I knew this was gonna happen. Modi and his fans are so intent on inflaming religious tensions in India.
by Aclion » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:48 am
Qihein wrote:Good for India, symbols of oppression should be torn down. I wish it would easier getting rid of oppressive symbols in the U.S like Confederate and Christopher Columbus statues
by The Alma Mater » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:49 am
Aclion wrote:Qihein wrote:Good for India, symbols of oppression should be torn down. I wish it would easier getting rid of oppressive symbols in the U.S like Confederate and Christopher Columbus statues
This would be relevant if the confederate monuments had been built over black churches or something.
by Outer Acharet » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:51 am
Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire wrote:We should've listened to Gandhi guys. It would make a great nuclear silo to obliterate his enemies.
In all seriousness though, I see nothing wrong with this.Qihein wrote:Good for India, symbols of oppression should be torn down. I wish it would easier getting rid of oppressive symbols in the U.S like Confederate and Christopher Columbus statues
This on the other hand. While the Confederate statues really are neo-Confederate propaganda, Christopher Columbus wasn't the guy murdering natives just fyi. It was actually disease and the conquistadors doing that (thanks, Hernan Cortes and Francisco Pizarro).
Wikipedia wrote:Bobadilla reported to Spain that Columbus regularly used torture and mutilation to govern Hispaniola. The 48-page report, found in 2006 in the national archive in the Spanish city of Simancas, contains testimonies from 23 people, including both enemies and supporters of Columbus, about the treatment of colonial subjects by Columbus and his brothers during his seven-year rule.[98]
According to the report, Columbus once punished a man found guilty of stealing corn by having his ears and nose cut off and then selling him into slavery. Testimony recorded in the report stated that Columbus congratulated his brother Bartolomeo on "defending the family" when the latter ordered a woman paraded naked through the streets and then had her tongue cut out for suggesting that Columbus was of lowly birth.[98] The document also describes how Columbus put down native unrest and revolt: he first ordered a brutal crackdown in which many natives were killed, and then paraded their dismembered bodies through the streets in an attempt to discourage further rebellion.[99]
News? What news? News is for people who don't have a bloated military-industrial complex strangling their apparatus of state. Wait, that sounds like a bad thing, doesn't it?
by Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:53 am
The Alma Mater wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I knew this was gonna happen. Modi and his fans are so intent on inflaming religious tensions in India.
Again: muslims convert holy sites from other religions into mosques all the time. They've taken over quite a few churches that were now longer used due to people abandoning their faith.
Why should Hindus not be allowed to convert an old unused site formerly containing a mosque to a temple ?
by The Hindustani State » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:54 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I knew this was gonna happen. Modi and his fans are so intent on inflaming religious tensions in India.
by Aureumterra » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:55 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:
Again: muslims convert holy sites from other religions into mosques all the time. They've taken over quite a few churches that were now longer used due to people abandoning their faith.
Why should Hindus not be allowed to convert an old unused site formerly containing a mosque to a temple ?
Two wrongs don't make a right. What certain muslims do doesnt justify Hindus saying "fuck your mosque," and I would rather this not happen at all.
Erdogan turning the Hagia Sophia into a mosque doesn't justify this. The Hagia Sophia is, I repeat, IS a Greek Orthodox Church, and that "Hindu Temple" is sitting on a mosque.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:55 am
Outer Acharet wrote:Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire wrote:We should've listened to Gandhi guys. It would make a great nuclear silo to obliterate his enemies.
In all seriousness though, I see nothing wrong with this.
This on the other hand. While the Confederate statues really are neo-Confederate propaganda, Christopher Columbus wasn't the guy murdering natives just fyi. It was actually disease and the conquistadors doing that (thanks, Hernan Cortes and Francisco Pizarro).
Ol' Chrissy wasn't innocent, either. You know how he got arrested and sent back to Europe? Twice?Wikipedia wrote:Bobadilla reported to Spain that Columbus regularly used torture and mutilation to govern Hispaniola. The 48-page report, found in 2006 in the national archive in the Spanish city of Simancas, contains testimonies from 23 people, including both enemies and supporters of Columbus, about the treatment of colonial subjects by Columbus and his brothers during his seven-year rule.[98]
According to the report, Columbus once punished a man found guilty of stealing corn by having his ears and nose cut off and then selling him into slavery. Testimony recorded in the report stated that Columbus congratulated his brother Bartolomeo on "defending the family" when the latter ordered a woman paraded naked through the streets and then had her tongue cut out for suggesting that Columbus was of lowly birth.[98] The document also describes how Columbus put down native unrest and revolt: he first ordered a brutal crackdown in which many natives were killed, and then paraded their dismembered bodies through the streets in an attempt to discourage further rebellion.[99]
Christopher Columbus took the people of Hispaniola's gold, enslaved them, and had them mine for more until they died. And this was after he had converted them to Christianity, which was a big no-no to the Church. He was a brutal dictator and was stripped of his governing position by the Spanish monarchy for his deeds, only being allowed to return to the New World on his deathbed to see the land he'd uncovered.
However, IMO he's also an important figure, and many places' statues of him aren't celebrating these deeds. These deeds most often came to light in the modern day well after the statues were put up, which gives them time to become markers and symbols of the community. When they were built he was the man who discovered America, not a greedy tyrant.
by The Hindustani State » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:57 am
Aureumterra wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Two wrongs don't make a right. What certain muslims do doesnt justify Hindus saying "fuck your mosque," and I would rather this not happen at all.
Erdogan turning the Hagia Sophia into a mosque doesn't justify this. The Hagia Sophia is, I repeat, IS a Greek Orthodox Church, and that "Hindu Temple" is sitting on a mosque.
The Mosque was built on top of the original Hindu Temple in 1527
by Outer Acharet » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:00 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Erdogan turning the Hagia Sophia into a mosque doesn't justify this. The Hagia Sophia is, I repeat, IS a Greek Orthodox Church, and that "Hindu Temple" is sitting on a mosque.
News? What news? News is for people who don't have a bloated military-industrial complex strangling their apparatus of state. Wait, that sounds like a bad thing, doesn't it?
by -Astoria- » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:10 pm
Indeed, they've got more or less no other option; but at the same time, should there not be a compensation?Novus America wrote:True. It was still in dispute at the time. While I do not support vigilante destruction, now the courts have ruled the Hindus should have it. And the destruction is fait acompli.
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by -Astoria- » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:14 pm
There are still figures scattered around the building; not just in that one shot.Outer Acharet wrote:Those look like Eastern Orthodox symbols to you?
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by -Astoria- » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:16 pm
There always seems to be something to shoehorn onto it (for the seventh time this week).Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:What was that rant about? Did you have to bring in your tangent for going against woke leftists?
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by Outer Acharet » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:18 pm
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by Greed and Death » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:19 pm
by -Astoria- » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:22 pm
That's because (until recently) that was what it literally was for the past 86 years.Outer Acharet wrote:Yeah. Just commenting on how it's not a church anymore, and in the modern day, more of a museum than a mosque.
EDIT: And, to the people above, it's not even Erdogan who made it into a mosque at the exclusion of Christians. IIRC, it's been that way since the Ottomans took over Constantinople and went about re-branding the city.
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by Aclion » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:25 pm
by Outer Acharet » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:31 pm
-Astoria- wrote:That's because (until recently) that was what it literally was for the past 86 years.Outer Acharet wrote:Yeah. Just commenting on how it's not a church anymore, and in the modern day, more of a museum than a mosque.
EDIT: And, to the people above, it's not even Erdogan who made it into a mosque at the exclusion of Christians. IIRC, it's been that way since the Ottomans took over Constantinople and went about re-branding the city.
News? What news? News is for people who don't have a bloated military-industrial complex strangling their apparatus of state. Wait, that sounds like a bad thing, doesn't it?
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