Historic Hindu Temple Inaugurated in India on site of Mosque

[Dangine]

I support this move. Sadly it will cause more conflict between Muslims and Hindus though.

So does this means the potential conflicts are acceptable or...

Of course not. There shouldn't be any conflict over this in the first place. That Mosque is a symbol of oppersion in India so of course the majority of Indians do not want it there.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

We should've listened to Gandhi guys. It would make a great nuclear silo to obliterate his enemies.

In all seriousness though, I see nothing wrong with this.

Good for India, symbols of oppression should be torn down. I wish it would easier getting rid of oppressive symbols in the U.S like Confederate and Christopher Columbus statues

This on the other hand. While the Confederate statues really are neo-Confederate propaganda, Christopher Columbus wasn't the guy murdering natives just fyi. It was actually disease and the conquistadors doing that (thanks, Hernan Cortes and Francisco Pizarro).

[The Alma Mater]

This on the other hand. While the Confederate statues really are neo-Confederate propaganda, Christopher Columbus wasn't the guy murdering natives just fyi. It was actually disease and the conquistadors doing that (thanks, Hernan Cortes and Francisco Pizarro).

When questioned about him though, natives tend to be... "not positive".

[Novus America]

This on the other hand. While the Confederate statues really are neo-Confederate propaganda, Christopher Columbus wasn't the guy murdering natives just fyi. It was actually disease and the conquistadors doing that (thanks, Hernan Cortes and Francisco Pizarro).

When questioned about him though, natives tend to be... "not positive".

But he is quite important to Italian Americans amongst others. But he is not the topic.

[Salus Maior]

The Babri Masjid was a continuing symbol of the subjugation and oppression of Hindus under the Indian Sultanates and Islamic ruling class.

The Sultans were kicked out centuries ago, and it'd be laughable to say that Muslims have had a privileged position over Hindus in India since independence.

Whatever oppression was associated with the Mosque is just pages in Indian history by now, and history, regardless of whether it's pleasant or not is important and part of human identity.

Frankly, it could have been turned into a Museum like Hagia Sophia (or at least what Hagia Sophia was).

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I knew this was gonna happen. Modi and his fans are so intent on inflaming religious tensions in India.

[Novus America]

The Babri Masjid was a continuing symbol of the subjugation and oppression of Hindus under the Indian Sultanates and Islamic ruling class.

The Sultans were kicked out centuries ago, and it'd be laughable to say that Muslims have had a privileged position over Hindus in India since independence.

Whatever oppression was associated with the Mosque is just pages in Indian history by now, and history, regardless of whether it's pleasant or not is important and part of human identity.

Frankly, it could have been turned into a Museum like Hagia Sophia (or at least what Hagia Sophia was).

Possibly but the Mosque was destroyed over 20 years ago. That is academic because it is long past.
The question is what to do with the site now.

What to build on the site now. Not on keeping the Mosque as it is long gone.

[The Alma Mater]

I knew this was gonna happen. Modi and his fans are so intent on inflaming religious tensions in India.

Again: muslims convert holy sites from other religions into mosques all the time. They've taken over quite a few churches that were now longer used due to people abandoning their faith.
Why should Hindus not be allowed to convert an old unused site formerly containing a mosque to a temple ?

[Aclion]

Good for India, symbols of oppression should be torn down. I wish it would easier getting rid of oppressive symbols in the U.S like Confederate and Christopher Columbus statues

This would be relevant if the confederate monuments had been built over black churches or something.

[The Alma Mater]

Good for India, symbols of oppression should be torn down. I wish it would easier getting rid of oppressive symbols in the U.S like Confederate and Christopher Columbus statues

This would be relevant if the confederate monuments had been built over black churches or something.

Mount Rushmore ?

[Outer Acharet]

We should've listened to Gandhi guys. It would make a great nuclear silo to obliterate his enemies.

In all seriousness though, I see nothing wrong with this.

Good for India, symbols of oppression should be torn down. I wish it would easier getting rid of oppressive symbols in the U.S like Confederate and Christopher Columbus statues

This on the other hand. While the Confederate statues really are neo-Confederate propaganda, Christopher Columbus wasn't the guy murdering natives just fyi. It was actually disease and the conquistadors doing that (thanks, Hernan Cortes and Francisco Pizarro).

Ol' Chrissy wasn't innocent, either. You know how he got arrested and sent back to Europe? Twice?

Bobadilla reported to Spain that Columbus regularly used torture and mutilation to govern Hispaniola. The 48-page report, found in 2006 in the national archive in the Spanish city of Simancas, contains testimonies from 23 people, including both enemies and supporters of Columbus, about the treatment of colonial subjects by Columbus and his brothers during his seven-year rule.[98]

According to the report, Columbus once punished a man found guilty of stealing corn by having his ears and nose cut off and then selling him into slavery. Testimony recorded in the report stated that Columbus congratulated his brother Bartolomeo on "defending the family" when the latter ordered a woman paraded naked through the streets and then had her tongue cut out for suggesting that Columbus was of lowly birth.[98] The document also describes how Columbus put down native unrest and revolt: he first ordered a brutal crackdown in which many natives were killed, and then paraded their dismembered bodies through the streets in an attempt to discourage further rebellion.[99]

Christopher Columbus took the people of Hispaniola's gold, enslaved them, and had them mine for more until they died. And this was after he had converted them to Christianity, which was a big no-no to the Church. He was a brutal dictator and was stripped of his governing position by the Spanish monarchy for his deeds, only being allowed to return to the New World on his deathbed to see the land he'd uncovered.

However, IMO he's also an important figure, and many places' statues of him aren't celebrating these deeds. These deeds most often came to light in the modern day well after the statues were put up, which gives them time to become markers and symbols of the community. When they were built he was the man who discovered America, not a greedy tyrant.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I knew this was gonna happen. Modi and his fans are so intent on inflaming religious tensions in India.

Again: muslims convert holy sites from other religions into mosques all the time. They've taken over quite a few churches that were now longer used due to people abandoning their faith.
Why should Hindus not be allowed to convert an old unused site formerly containing a mosque to a temple ?

Two wrongs don't make a right. What certain muslims do doesnt justify Hindus saying "fuck your mosque," and I would rather this not happen at all.

Erdogan turning the Hagia Sophia into a mosque doesn't justify this. The Hagia Sophia is, I repeat, IS a Greek Orthodox Church, and that "Hindu Temple" is sitting on a mosque.

[The Hindustani State]

I knew this was gonna happen. Modi and his fans are so intent on inflaming religious tensions in India.

What’s wrong with restoring a temple one of the holiest sites in Hinduism?

[Aureumterra]

Again: muslims convert holy sites from other religions into mosques all the time. They've taken over quite a few churches that were now longer used due to people abandoning their faith.
Why should Hindus not be allowed to convert an old unused site formerly containing a mosque to a temple ?

Two wrongs don't make a right. What certain muslims do doesnt justify Hindus saying "fuck your mosque," and I would rather this not happen at all.

Erdogan turning the Hagia Sophia into a mosque doesn't justify this. The Hagia Sophia is, I repeat, IS a Greek Orthodox Church, and that "Hindu Temple" is sitting on a mosque.

The Mosque was built on top of the original Hindu Temple in 1527

[Borderlands of Rojava]

We should've listened to Gandhi guys. It would make a great nuclear silo to obliterate his enemies.

In all seriousness though, I see nothing wrong with this.

This on the other hand. While the Confederate statues really are neo-Confederate propaganda, Christopher Columbus wasn't the guy murdering natives just fyi. It was actually disease and the conquistadors doing that (thanks, Hernan Cortes and Francisco Pizarro).

Ol' Chrissy wasn't innocent, either. You know how he got arrested and sent back to Europe? Twice?

Bobadilla reported to Spain that Columbus regularly used torture and mutilation to govern Hispaniola. The 48-page report, found in 2006 in the national archive in the Spanish city of Simancas, contains testimonies from 23 people, including both enemies and supporters of Columbus, about the treatment of colonial subjects by Columbus and his brothers during his seven-year rule.[98]

According to the report, Columbus once punished a man found guilty of stealing corn by having his ears and nose cut off and then selling him into slavery. Testimony recorded in the report stated that Columbus congratulated his brother Bartolomeo on "defending the family" when the latter ordered a woman paraded naked through the streets and then had her tongue cut out for suggesting that Columbus was of lowly birth.[98] The document also describes how Columbus put down native unrest and revolt: he first ordered a brutal crackdown in which many natives were killed, and then paraded their dismembered bodies through the streets in an attempt to discourage further rebellion.[99]

Christopher Columbus took the people of Hispaniola's gold, enslaved them, and had them mine for more until they died. And this was after he had converted them to Christianity, which was a big no-no to the Church. He was a brutal dictator and was stripped of his governing position by the Spanish monarchy for his deeds, only being allowed to return to the New World on his deathbed to see the land he'd uncovered.

However, IMO he's also an important figure, and many places' statues of him aren't celebrating these deeds. These deeds most often came to light in the modern day well after the statues were put up, which gives them time to become markers and symbols of the community. When they were built he was the man who discovered America, not a greedy tyrant.

Christopher Columbus was a rotten bastard. He discovered America but it doesn't make him any less of a sadistic monster.

[The Hindustani State]

Two wrongs don't make a right. What certain muslims do doesnt justify Hindus saying "fuck your mosque," and I would rather this not happen at all.

Erdogan turning the Hagia Sophia into a mosque doesn't justify this. The Hagia Sophia is, I repeat, IS a Greek Orthodox Church, and that "Hindu Temple" is sitting on a mosque.

The Mosque was built on top of the original Hindu Temple in 1527

Babur buried the idols of the original temple under the steps of the Mosque so Hindu’s wouldn’t enter, it was built specifically to show the supremacy of Muslims over Hindus

[Outer Acharet]

Erdogan turning the Hagia Sophia into a mosque doesn't justify this. The Hagia Sophia is, I repeat, IS a Greek Orthodox Church, and that "Hindu Temple" is sitting on a mosque.

Those look like Eastern Orthodox symbols to you?

[-Astoria-]

True. It was still in dispute at the time. While I do not support vigilante destruction, now the courts have ruled the Hindus should have it. And the destruction is fait acompli.

Indeed, they've got more or less no other option; but at the same time, should there not be a compensation?

[-Astoria-]

Those look like Eastern Orthodox symbols to you?

There are still figures scattered around the building; not just in that one shot.

Although to be fair, they've now been hidden with curtains.

[-Astoria-]

What was that rant about? Did you have to bring in your tangent for going against woke leftists?

There always seems to be something to shoehorn onto it (for the seventh time this week).

[Outer Acharet]

Those look like Eastern Orthodox symbols to you?

There are still figures scattered around the building; not just in that one shot.

Although to be fair, they've now been hidden with curtains.

Yeah. Just commenting on how it's not a church anymore, and in the modern day, more of a museum than a mosque.
EDIT: And, to the people above, it's not even Erdogan who made it into a mosque at the exclusion of Christians. IIRC, it's been that way since the Ottomans took over Constantinople and went about re-branding the city.

[Greed and Death]

The Mosque was built on top of the original Hindu Temple in 1527

Babur buried the idols of the original temple under the steps of the Mosque so Hindu’s wouldn’t enter, it was built specifically to show the supremacy of Muslims over Hindus

I have this question for you.

Would you object to the government of India financing a replacement mosque at another location of similar dimensions and size and of equal convenience for the cities Muslim population to get to ?

[-Astoria-]

Yeah. Just commenting on how it's not a church anymore, and in the modern day, more of a museum than a mosque.
EDIT: And, to the people above, it's not even Erdogan who made it into a mosque at the exclusion of Christians. IIRC, it's been that way since the Ottomans took over Constantinople and went about re-branding the city.

That's because (until recently) that was what it literally was for the past 86 years.

[Aclion]

This would be relevant if the confederate monuments had been built over black churches or something.

Mount Rushmore ?

Not a confederate monument.
Also not as valid an argument when the group claims literally everything is sacred, because then there's not the option of building things somewhere else, and becomes much like the mosque, more about preventing other's practices then preserving you're own.

[Outer Acharet]

Yeah. Just commenting on how it's not a church anymore, and in the modern day, more of a museum than a mosque.
EDIT: And, to the people above, it's not even Erdogan who made it into a mosque at the exclusion of Christians. IIRC, it's been that way since the Ottomans took over Constantinople and went about re-branding the city.

That's because (until recently) that was what it literally was for the past 86 years.

Oh, you learn something new everyday.