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-Astoria- wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Btw I think that woman may have been a maid. She doesn't look alot like the kids and alot of wealthy Lebanese people hire foreign women to watch their children and clean their house. You may be wondering why they do that. Well, Lebanon is basically what America is gonna be in 10 years and we all know alot of wealthy people love exploiting migrant workers.

It's like that in most of the Middle East; not just Lebanon.

Yeah but I don't think we'll have islamic law in ten years, and Lebanon is a more western kind of society than the other ones, so i say lebanon is the closest to ours.

Also its absolutely falling apart whereas the Gulf States aren't, so there's that.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
You know there had to be several thousand people in Beirut thinking "OH FUCK IT'S A NUKE!"

It's Beirut. Their first thought would have been terrorist or Israeli bomb.

I saw a bunch of tweets saying "Israel nuked us," so they can say it's both.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Yeah but I don't think we'll have islamic law in ten years

...what's that got to do with it?

and Lebanon is a more western kind of society than the other ones, so i say lebanon is the closest to ours.

There's Cyprus... hang on, never mind.

-Astoria- wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Yeah but I don't think we'll have islamic law in ten years

...what's that got to do with it?

and Lebanon is a more western kind of society than the other ones, so i say lebanon is the closest to ours.

There's Cyprus... hang on, never mind.

You brought up that other Islamic countries have foreign maids. They do, but they lack the other characteristics that Lebanon shares with America, except the rich oligarchs.

-Astoria- wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Yeah but I don't think we'll have islamic law in ten years

...what's that got to do with it?

Yes, that lesser known version of Tina Turner's hit: What's Islamic Law Got to Do with It?

The New California Republic wrote:

-Astoria- wrote:...what's that got to do with it?

Yes, that lesser known version of Tina Turner's hit: What's Islamic Law Got to Do with It?

Fun.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:There is a three second delay between the mother and children seeing the blast and the blast wave hitting. You or I would be throwing ourselves under or behind something in that three second interval, but obviously they either didn't know or were too awestruck to do anything.

That one kid took a window to the face and just got right back up. Damn, more manly than some grow motherfuckers in this country.

Eh... as a glazier I can tell you it weighed about 150 lbs. I highly recomend not getting hit in the face by any glass over 0lbs.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
You know there had to be several thousand people in Beirut thinking "OH FUCK IT'S A NUKE!"

It's Beirut. Their first thought would have been terrorist or Israeli bomb.

Most of the terrorist groups in Lebanon use that port so terror is very unlikely there.

Now Israel taking out the port is possible. But it is most likely an accident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKDFR0EYsXE

Journalist sent flying live on air.

Greed and Death wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKDFR0EYsXE

Journalist sent flying live on air.

Yes I saw that on the BBC a couple of days ago. Never had that happen on a Zoom call before.

Vassenor wrote:

Christian Confederation wrote:Wolverine as in Red Dawn lol

Don't the Wolverines get wiped out at the end?

No a lot of them died but a handful survived and made it safely to American lines after the Military successfully pushing the Reds back across the Rockies.
"In the early days of World War III, guerrillas - mostly children - placed the names of their lost upon this rock.
They fought here alone and gave up their lives, so that 'this nation shall not perish from the Earth!'"

The New California Republic wrote:

Greed and Death wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKDFR0EYsXE

Journalist sent flying live on air.

Yes I saw that on the BBC a couple of days ago. Never had that happen on a Zoom call before.

That would be funny if we were having one of our happy hours and someone got thrown up against a wall right in the middle by a huge explosion...not killed or injured, just thrown up against the wall.

Greed and Death wrote:A baby was delivered during the explosion.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video ... ital-video

A true boomer.

I was exploring the list of Lebanese ports.

The port of Beirut not counting the naval base (which is also unusable at the moment). Handles roughly 7,000 ships per year. The next largest port handles roughly 450 ships per year.

I dont think the remaining ports can get food in fast enough to feed Lebanon. Aid will have to come through two neighboring countries Syria and Israel. Syria which has had a civil war and whose infrastructure is in shambles is likely to fault short of the ability to provide aid. This means much if not most aid will be need to go through Israel. We need to impress upon the Lebanese President that receiving aid through Israel is vital if he wishes to maintain stability in his country.

Greed and Death wrote:I was exploring the list of Lebanese ports.

The port of Beirut not counting the naval base (which is also unusable at the moment). Handles roughly 7,000 ships per year. The next largest port handles roughly 450 ships per year.

I dont think the remaining ports can get food in fast enough to feed Lebanon. Aid will have to come through two neighboring countries Syria and Israel. Syria which has had a civil war and whose infrastructure is in shambles is likely to fault short of the ability to provide aid. This means much if not most aid will be need to go through Israel. We need to impress upon the Lebanese President that receiving aid through Israel is vital if he wishes to maintain stability in his country.

Here is an article discussing the situation:

UN agencies have warned of a humanitarian crisis in Lebanon after Tuesday's devastating blast in Beirut.

Lebanon was already suffering a major economic downturn before the explosion, which left at least 154 people dead, 5,000 injured and 300,000 homeless.

The World Food Programme said the damage to Beirut's port would interrupt food supplies and push prices up.

The World Health Organization said the health system was seriously damaged, with three hospitals out of action.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-53698564

The New California Republic wrote:

Greed and Death wrote:I was exploring the list of Lebanese ports.

The port of Beirut not counting the naval base (which is also unusable at the moment). Handles roughly 7,000 ships per year. The next largest port handles roughly 450 ships per year.

I dont think the remaining ports can get food in fast enough to feed Lebanon. Aid will have to come through two neighboring countries Syria and Israel. Syria which has had a civil war and whose infrastructure is in shambles is likely to fault short of the ability to provide aid. This means much if not most aid will be need to go through Israel. We need to impress upon the Lebanese President that receiving aid through Israel is vital if he wishes to maintain stability in his country.

Here is an article discussing the situation:

UN agencies have warned of a humanitarian crisis in Lebanon after Tuesday's devastating blast in Beirut.

Lebanon was already suffering a major economic downturn before the explosion, which left at least 154 people dead, 5,000 injured and 300,000 homeless.

The World Food Programme said the damage to Beirut's port would interrupt food supplies and push prices up.

The World Health Organization said the health system was seriously damaged, with three hospitals out of action.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-53698564

So you are saying the BBC plagiarized me ?

Greed and Death wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:Here is an article discussing the situation:

UN agencies have warned of a humanitarian crisis in Lebanon after Tuesday's devastating blast in Beirut.

Lebanon was already suffering a major economic downturn before the explosion, which left at least 154 people dead, 5,000 injured and 300,000 homeless.

The World Food Programme said the damage to Beirut's port would interrupt food supplies and push prices up.

The World Health Organization said the health system was seriously damaged, with three hospitals out of action.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-53698564

So you are saying the BBC plagiarized me ?

The BBC apparently inserted themself into your narrative. And you must accept it.

Greed and Death wrote:The port of Beirut not counting the naval base (which is also unusable at the moment). Handles roughly 7,000 ships per year. The next largest port handles roughly 450 ships per year.

Is that a limitation of that port's capacity, or simply where ships go? I mean, not every port here on the US East Coast runs at full capacity all the time, and there's active competition between ports to attract ships (and the work and fees that go with them).

That being said, yes, the Israeli ports seem obviously useful. Haifa has a port to accommodate the largest container ships, so that seems the most useful, since Akko's/Acre's port looks pretty small, despite it being closer to the border

Northwest Slobovia wrote:

Greed and Death wrote:The port of Beirut not counting the naval base (which is also unusable at the moment). Handles roughly 7,000 ships per year. The next largest port handles roughly 450 ships per year.

Is that a limitation of that port's capacity, or simply where ships go? I mean, not every port here on the US East Coast runs at full capacity all the time, and there's active competition between ports to attract ships (and the work and fees that go with them).

That being said, yes, the Israeli ports seem obviously useful. Haifa has a port to accommodate the largest container ships, so that seems the most useful, since Akko's/Acre's port looks pretty small, despite it being closer to the border

The issue is though if you off load at Haifa, there are not railroads or roads you easily use.
Haifa is a close distance wise, but the lack of ground transport is an issue still.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Greed and Death wrote:
So you are saying the BBC plagiarized me ?

The BBC apparently inserted themself into your narrative. And you must accept it.

This is what happens when you lose your empire you colonize other people's ideas ?

Novus America wrote:

Northwest Slobovia wrote:Is that a limitation of that port's capacity, or simply where ships go? I mean, not every port here on the US East Coast runs at full capacity all the time, and there's active competition between ports to attract ships (and the work and fees that go with them).

That being said, yes, the Israeli ports seem obviously useful. Haifa has a port to accommodate the largest container ships, so that seems the most useful, since Akko's/Acre's port looks pretty small, despite it being closer to the border

The issue is though if you off load at Haifa, there are not railroads or roads you easily use.
Haifa is a close distance wise, but the lack of ground transport is an issue still.

You can take Israel 4 to Lebanon 51 with only a 400 foot gap in between. The Israel core of army engineers will likely have to engineer a solution.

Novus America wrote:

Northwest Slobovia wrote:Is that a limitation of that port's capacity, or simply where ships go? I mean, not every port here on the US East Coast runs at full capacity all the time, and there's active competition between ports to attract ships (and the work and fees that go with them).

That being said, yes, the Israeli ports seem obviously useful. Haifa has a port to accommodate the largest container ships, so that seems the most useful, since Akko's/Acre's port looks pretty small, despite it being closer to the border

The issue is though if you off load at Haifa, there are not railroads or roads you easily use.
Haifa is a close distance wise, but the lack of ground transport is an issue still.

Both countries appear to have perfectly good coastal highways. There is a rail gap between Nahariya and somewhere close to the Israel-Lebanon border -- I can't tell where Lebanon's railways end in their south -- but I suspect that if it was necessary and desirableable, a single-track line could be put into operation relatively fast, especially since there was once a line there.

Northwest Slobovia wrote:

Greed and Death wrote:The port of Beirut not counting the naval base (which is also unusable at the moment). Handles roughly 7,000 ships per year. The next largest port handles roughly 450 ships per year.

Is that a limitation of that port's capacity, or simply where ships go? I mean, not every port here on the US East Coast runs at full capacity all the time, and there's active competition between ports to attract ships (and the work and fees that go with them).

That being said, yes, the Israeli ports seem obviously useful. Haifa has a port to accommodate the largest container ships, so that seems the most useful, since Akko's/Acre's port looks pretty small, despite it being closer to the border

I am sure there is some room to increase the port of Tripoli Capacity but no where near what is needed. They only have 8 berths and are break bulk rather than cargo container based shipping.

The other ports from what I can tell are designed for pleasure craft and small fishing boats only.

Northwest Slobovia wrote:

Novus America wrote:
The issue is though if you off load at Haifa, there are not railroads or roads you easily use.
Haifa is a close distance wise, but the lack of ground transport is an issue still.

Both countries appear to have perfectly good coastal highways. There is a rail gap between Nahariya and somewhere close to the Israel-Lebanon border -- I can't tell where Lebanon's railways end in their south -- but I suspect that if it was necessary and desirableable, a single-track line could be put into operation relatively fast, especially since there was once a line there.

You would have to close the gaps between the two, their borders have been closed for decades.
It could be done, sure, with some time, money and political will. But that is why it will not happen.

Northwest Slobovia wrote:

Novus America wrote:
The issue is though if you off load at Haifa, there are not railroads or roads you easily use.
Haifa is a close distance wise, but the lack of ground transport is an issue still.

Both countries appear to have perfectly good coastal highways. There is a rail gap between Nahariya and somewhere close to the Israel-Lebanon border -- I can't tell where Lebanon's railways end in their south -- but I suspect that if it was necessary and desirableable, a single-track line could be put into operation relatively fast, especially since there was once a line there.

Yes ideally Lebanon swallows their pride now and asks for help and Israel immediately begins connecting road and rail.

It takes time.