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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:21 pm
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
Heloin wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Those who bombed were ISID militants.

Have you read the news or just watched the videos?

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Those who bombed were ISID militants.

There is no evidence this is a terror attack, and video evidence that strongly suggests it was an accident.
I speak according to the news of Turkish news agents. regardless, 2020 is a terrible year :(

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:23 pm
by Solvokina
I saw the news, went on discord and saw a minesweeper meme. The speed of these memes never fail to amuse me

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:23 pm
by Heloin
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Heloin wrote:Have you read the news or just watched the videos?

Northwest Slobovia wrote:There is no evidence this is a terror attack, and video evidence that strongly suggests it was an accident.
I speak according to the news of Turkish news agents. regardless, 2020 is a terrible year :(

Then your getting bad Turkish news sources. Lebanon is saying it's an accident and there is no evidence of a terror attack from Hezbollah, Israel, or a random militant group.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:29 pm
by Atheris
Solvokina wrote:I saw the news, went on discord and saw a minesweeper meme. The speed of these memes never fail to amuse me

Someone's already made a Dame Dame deepfake meme.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:34 pm
by Solvokina
Atheris wrote:
Solvokina wrote:I saw the news, went on discord and saw a minesweeper meme. The speed of these memes never fail to amuse me

Someone's already made a Dame Dame deepfake meme.

Saw that as well

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:15 pm
by Kowani
I'm actually surprised nobody's taken credit for this.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:15 pm
by Solvokina
Kowani wrote:I'm actually surprised nobody's taken credit for this.

IDF soontm

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:24 pm
by Galloism
Kowani wrote:I'm actually surprised nobody's taken credit for this.

Ok, so I love terror explanations as much as the next guy, especially state terror, but this might have legit been an accident. Bombadil posted a similar accident from 1947 in Texas that took out a whole port and two nearby planes.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:28 pm
by Kowani
Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:I'm actually surprised nobody's taken credit for this.

Ok, so I love terror explanations as much as the next guy, especially state terror, but this might have legit been an accident. Bombadil posted a similar accident from 1947 in Texas that took out a whole port and two nearby planes.

I realize, I'm not calling this a terroristic act. Rather, I'm surprised that nobody took credit for it anyway, to boost prestige and recruiting. Lebanon's not exactly capable of responding right now.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:32 pm
by The Emerald Legion
Yeah, that sucks. Happened to us once too.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:33 pm
by Galloism
Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:Ok, so I love terror explanations as much as the next guy, especially state terror, but this might have legit been an accident. Bombadil posted a similar accident from 1947 in Texas that took out a whole port and two nearby planes.

I realize, I'm not calling this a terroristic act. Rather, I'm surprised that nobody took credit for it anyway, to boost prestige and recruiting. Lebanon's not exactly capable of responding right now.

Oh.

Yeah. Fair point.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:35 pm
by The Emerald Legion
Wouldn't that just make them look like idiots once the truth about the fertilizer came out?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:37 pm
by Heloin
Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:Ok, so I love terror explanations as much as the next guy, especially state terror, but this might have legit been an accident. Bombadil posted a similar accident from 1947 in Texas that took out a whole port and two nearby planes.

I realize, I'm not calling this a terroristic act. Rather, I'm surprised that nobody took credit for it anyway, to boost prestige and recruiting. Lebanon's not exactly capable of responding right now.

Claiming Lebanon's largest man made non-nuclear explosions as yours when it isn't would probably make you look like a laughing stock when it comes out that it wasn't your doing. Well a laughing stock at the kind of people impressed by terrorist bombings.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:47 pm
by Kowani
The Emerald Legion wrote:Wouldn't that just make them look like idiots once the truth about the fertilizer came out?

Heloin wrote:
Kowani wrote:
I realize, I'm not calling this a terroristic act. Rather, I'm surprised that nobody took credit for it anyway, to boost prestige and recruiting. Lebanon's not exactly capable of responding right now.

Claiming Lebanon's largest man made non-nuclear explosions as yours when it isn't would probably make you look like a laughing stock when it comes out that it wasn't your doing. Well a laughing stock at the kind of people impressed by terrorist bombings.

Yes, the Lebanese government, a highly trusted source of information, compared to the totally unreliable terrorist propaganda networks.
By the time any investigation eventually winds down, you'd have gotten pretty much all the benefit out of it you could have anyway, and the backlash will be...what? "Terrorists lied?"

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:50 pm
by Rusozak
I got 9/11 flashbacks watching the aftermath. So terrible.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:50 pm
by Galloism
Kowani wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:Wouldn't that just make them look like idiots once the truth about the fertilizer came out?

Heloin wrote:Claiming Lebanon's largest man made non-nuclear explosions as yours when it isn't would probably make you look like a laughing stock when it comes out that it wasn't your doing. Well a laughing stock at the kind of people impressed by terrorist bombings.

Yes, the Lebanese government, a highly trusted source of information, compared to the totally unreliable terrorist propaganda networks.

That is kind of a push.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:52 pm
by Northwest Slobovia
Kowani wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:Wouldn't that just make them look like idiots once the truth about the fertilizer came out?

Heloin wrote:Claiming Lebanon's largest man made non-nuclear explosions as yours when it isn't would probably make you look like a laughing stock when it comes out that it wasn't your doing. Well a laughing stock at the kind of people impressed by terrorist bombings.

Yes, the Lebanese government, a highly trusted source of information, compared to the totally unreliable terrorist propaganda networks.
By the time any investigation eventually winds down, you'd have gotten pretty much all the benefit out of it you could have anyway, and the backlash will be...what? "Terrorists lied?"

The only group that might take credit for pointless, indescriminate killings would be ISIS, and they keep rediscovering that being hated by everybody just makes them a target for whoever wants to take credit for fighting them.* So, there's no point in taking credit for it.

*: Even other terrorist groups fight them, which is a mark of how loathsome they are.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:52 pm
by Outer Sparta
Kowani wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:Wouldn't that just make them look like idiots once the truth about the fertilizer came out?

Heloin wrote:Claiming Lebanon's largest man made non-nuclear explosions as yours when it isn't would probably make you look like a laughing stock when it comes out that it wasn't your doing. Well a laughing stock at the kind of people impressed by terrorist bombings.

Yes, the Lebanese government, a highly trusted source of information, compared to the totally unreliable terrorist propaganda networks.
By the time any investigation eventually winds down, you'd have gotten pretty much all the benefit out of it you could have anyway, and the backlash will be...what? "Terrorists lied?"

There's currently no indication of a terrorist act at the moment.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:54 pm
by Galloism
Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Kowani wrote:
Yes, the Lebanese government, a highly trusted source of information, compared to the totally unreliable terrorist propaganda networks.
By the time any investigation eventually winds down, you'd have gotten pretty much all the benefit out of it you could have anyway, and the backlash will be...what? "Terrorists lied?"

The only group that might take credit for pointless, indescriminate killings would be ISIS, and they keep rediscovering that being hated by everybody just makes them a target for whoever wants to take credit for fighting them.* So, there's no point in taking credit for it.

*: Even other terrorist groups fight them, which is a mark of how loathsome they are.

Honestly, anytime anyone ever mentions ISIS now, the only thing I can think of is that time Al Qaeda said they needed to tone it down, and they shot back that Al Qaeda are the “jews of jihad”.

I don’t really understand the exact message there, but it’s clearly an insult in context.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:55 pm
by Kowani
Galloism wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:The only group that might take credit for pointless, indescriminate killings would be ISIS, and they keep rediscovering that being hated by everybody just makes them a target for whoever wants to take credit for fighting them.* So, there's no point in taking credit for it.

*: Even other terrorist groups fight them, which is a mark of how loathsome they are.

Honestly, anytime anyone ever mentions ISIS now, the only thing I can think of is that time Al Qaeda said they needed to tone it down, and they shot back that Al Qaeda are the “jews of jihad”.

I don’t really understand the exact message there, but it’s clearly an insult in context.

...Don't most anti-semites hate Jews for their competence and success?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:04 pm
by Northwest Slobovia
Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:Honestly, anytime anyone ever mentions ISIS now, the only thing I can think of is that time Al Qaeda said they needed to tone it down, and they shot back that Al Qaeda are the “jews of jihad”.

I don’t really understand the exact message there, but it’s clearly an insult in context.

...Don't most anti-semites hate Jews for their competence and success?

Eh, it's easy to make up reasons to hate people.

Anyway, um, the explosion?

There doesn't appear to be any new news, probably because it's early morning there.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:42 pm
by The Alma Mater
Northwest Slobovia wrote:There doesn't appear to be any new news, probably because it's early morning there.


At least 78 dead, 3700 wounded. There was indeed a huge storage of ammonium nitrate in the area; so probably no bomb.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:44 pm
by Outer Sparta
The Alma Mater wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:There doesn't appear to be any new news, probably because it's early morning there.


At least 78 dead, 3700 wounded. There was indeed a huge storage of ammonium nitrate in the area; so probably no bomb.

It was apparently sitting there for six years and not stored properly.

Edit: Welding work was being carried out on a door next to the warehouse, which could explain the sparks set off the ammonium nitrate.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:54 pm
by Borderlands of Rojava
The Emerald Legion wrote:Wouldn't that just make them look like idiots once the truth about the fertilizer came out?


Its a failed state. These things happen there.

It sucks. I really feel for lebanon

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:55 pm
by Borderlands of Rojava
Outer Sparta wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
At least 78 dead, 3700 wounded. There was indeed a huge storage of ammonium nitrate in the area; so probably no bomb.

It was apparently sitting there for six years and not stored properly.

Edit: Welding work was being carried out on a door next to the warehouse, which could explain the sparks set off the ammonium nitrate.


My theory is someone in the country known for its civil war decided to store bomb making material at the Port and they forgot about it.

Then it caught fire and exploded.