Large explosion in Beirut - hundreds reported injured

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I suspect the Lebanese government won't last the month.

[SD_Film Artists]

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-big-was-the-explosion-that-devastated-beirut-moab-2020-8

Estimates are the blast was between a few hundred tons and a kiloton of TNT equivalent.

Like someone used a Davy Crockett. About that big.

The Davy Crockett only had a yield of 10-20 tons so not quite.

Aye, the Beirut explosion was roughly equivalent to 1.1 - 1.5kt according to the University of Sheffield, so by tactical nukes that would be an AIR-2 Genie missile

[Ethel mermania]

He is right, governments have laws and rules as to how stuff is stored particularly highly inflammatory material. Why this was not enforced is on the government. How they knew about it and let it sit is a crime. It should be a capital one.

In my own defense, I was only describing the early stages of the debacle. I did not exonerate the government, they handled it terribly after it was on the dock. However the shit would never have been on an unseaworthy vessel with a near mutinous crew, and it never would have come into Beirut harbor at all, if not for the criminal mismanagement of the owner of the ship.

It was stored unsafely on the dock. But it was only necessary to take it off the ship because it was stored unsafely there too. I'm not going to try to apportion the blame in numbers, between the ship owner and the Lebanon government, but I insist that the ship owner does bear some of the blame.

There is plenty of blame to go around, I do agree.

When we investigate accidents the worse they are the more likely the failure is a compound one, and not a single error.

[Northwest Slobovia]

In my own defense, I was only describing the early stages of the debacle. I did not exonerate the government, they handled it terribly after it was on the dock. However the shit would never have been on an unseaworthy vessel with a near mutinous crew, and it never would have come into Beirut harbor at all, if not for the criminal mismanagement of the owner of the ship.

It was stored unsafely on the dock. But it was only necessary to take it off the ship because it was stored unsafely there too. I'm not going to try to apportion the blame in numbers, between the ship owner and the Lebanon government, but I insist that the ship owner does bear some of the blame.

There is plenty of blame to go around, I do agree.

When we investigate accidents the worse they are the more likely the failure is a compound one, and not a single error.

"Failure chain" or "accident chain" are the usual jargon terms for the typically long set of mistakes that led to a serious accident. Hanlon's Razor -- never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity -- largely applies: while there may be some malice involved in some accidents, it rarely occurs in more than one link in any accident chain.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Everyone go to the news. Motherfuckers are wilin out in Beirut

[SD_Film Artists]

"Lebanese protesters forced their way into government ministries in Beirut and trashed the offices of the Association of Lebanese Banks on Saturday as shots rang out in increasingly angry demonstrations over this week's devastating explosion."
https://www.france24.com/en/20200808-le ... -explosion

[Greed and Death]

Everyone go to the news. Motherfuckers are wilin out in Beirut

Yeah rumors government officials are selling the remaining 15% of the food supply on the black market abound. I don't blame them for rioting.

[Andsed]

"Lebanese protesters forced their way into government ministries in Beirut and trashed the offices of the Association of Lebanese Banks on Saturday as shots rang out in increasingly angry demonstrations over this week's devastating explosion."
https://www.france24.com/en/20200808-le ... -explosion

I don't blame them for being angry. The sheer negligence shown here is appalling and the Lebanese(and honestly a lot of governments) government need to really fucking step their game up.

[The New California Republic]

It was stored unsafely on the dock. But it was only necessary to take it off the ship because it was stored unsafely there too. I'm not going to try to apportion the blame in numbers, between the ship owner and the Lebanon government, but I insist that the ship owner does bear some of the blame.

...moving it from one unsafe place to another unsafe place does absolutely fuck all, it is a net zero gain...

[Outer Sparta]

"Lebanese protesters forced their way into government ministries in Beirut and trashed the offices of the Association of Lebanese Banks on Saturday as shots rang out in increasingly angry demonstrations over this week's devastating explosion."
https://www.france24.com/en/20200808-le ... -explosion

The Beirut explosion is a culmination in all the government incompetence, corruption, and general failure to lead.

[Greed and Death]

It was stored unsafely on the dock. But it was only necessary to take it off the ship because it was stored unsafely there too. I'm not going to try to apportion the blame in numbers, between the ship owner and the Lebanon government, but I insist that the ship owner does bear some of the blame.

...moving it from one unsafe place to another unsafe place does absolutely fuck all, it is a net zero gain...

Leaving it in the unsafe place for 6 years seems the most culpable though.

[The New California Republic]

...moving it from one unsafe place to another unsafe place does absolutely fuck all, it is a net zero gain...

Leaving it in the unsafe place for 6 years seems the most culpable though.

Yes the fact it was left there for so long is what makes the warehouse option more dangerous. If they'd actually wanted to store it for a long period then it would have been better leaving it in the ship and mooring the ship a mile or so offshore, or storing it in a warehouse in the sticks so that it wasn't nearly as much of a risk.

[SD_Film Artists]

Some interesting graffiti

"Lebanese protesters forced their way into government ministries in Beirut and trashed the offices of the Association of Lebanese Banks on Saturday as shots rang out in increasingly angry demonstrations over this week's devastating explosion."
https://www.france24.com/en/20200808-le ... -explosion

The Beirut explosion is a culmination in all the government incompetence, corruption, and general failure to lead.

"Lebanese protesters forced their way into government ministries in Beirut and trashed the offices of the Association of Lebanese Banks on Saturday as shots rang out in increasingly angry demonstrations over this week's devastating explosion."
https://www.france24.com/en/20200808-le ... -explosion

I don't blame them for being angry. The sheer negligence shown here is appalling and the Lebanese(and honestly a lot of governments) government need to really fucking step their game up.

Indeed, bureaucratic negligence is already disturbing without it causing over a hundred deaths.

[The New California Republic]

Some interesting graffiti

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[Borderlands of Rojava]

The courts: You gotta move this shit. Its gonna blow up.

Michael Auon:

The Port: Explodes

Michael Auon: https://youtu.be/hEwYkm8IAmo

[Novus America]

I suspect the Lebanese government won't last the month.

Hopefully you are right. It needs to be gone, completely rebuilt. The Lebanese government is beyond redemption.

[Novus America]

Leaving it in the unsafe place for 6 years seems the most culpable though.

Yes the fact it was left there for so long is what makes the warehouse option more dangerous. If they'd actually wanted to store it for a long period then it would have been better leaving it in the ship and mooring the ship a mile or so offshore, or storing it in a warehouse in the sticks so that it wasn't nearly as much of a risk.

Yes. The correct way to store large amount explosives is to divide them up into smaller amounts, store those smaller amounts in separate explosion resistant bunkers, with fire suppression systems, and place those bunkers a safe distance away from inhabited areas.

Looking something like this https://images.app.goo.gl/oNk53kkTPTKRbrjD8

[Purpelia]

In my own defense, I was only describing the early stages of the debacle. I did not exonerate the government, they handled it terribly after it was on the dock. However the shit would never have been on an unseaworthy vessel with a near mutinous crew, and it never would have come into Beirut harbor at all, if not for the criminal mismanagement of the owner of the ship.

It was stored unsafely on the dock. But it was only necessary to take it off the ship because it was stored unsafely there too. I'm not going to try to apportion the blame in numbers, between the ship owner and the Lebanon government, but I insist that the ship owner does bear some of the blame.

My point was simply that this wasn't just a single ****up. It's a multi **** pileup cluster**** of a catastrophic epic fail on every level by everyone involved with way too many guilty to shoot without being accused of genocide. If you excuse the melodramatic tone. There is literally nobody involved in this that isn't guilty of at least criminal negligence. At least.

[Kowani]

The PM’s called for early elections in response to the unrest.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The PM’s called for early elections in response to the unrest.

They ought to fucking resign. They did an awful job. At this rate Michel Auon is like the soft spoken Arab Donald Trump...so not trump at all actually. Lol.

[-Astoria-]

The PM’s called for early elections in response to the unrest.

They ought to fucking resign. They did an awful job. At this rate Michel Auon is like the soft spoken Arab Donald Trump...so not trump at all actually. Lol.

Less Trump, & more just simply incompetent.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The PM’s called for early elections in response to the unrest.

Hope the governing party gets slaughtered in the elections

[Baltenstein]

The PM’s called for early elections in response to the unrest.

They ought to fucking resign. They did an awful job. At this rate Michel Auon is like the soft spoken Arab Donald Trump...so not trump at all actually. Lol.

He's also 85 years old. Clearly someone with a dynamic and clear vision for the future of his country.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The PM’s called for early elections in response to the unrest.

Quite correct.

A government bent on maintaining power regardless of the will of the people, would call for a delay in elections. In the chance the people's rage might burn itself out, or succumb to police suppression. Or just to have a little longer in power.

A government more interested in the continuity of government itself, would bring elections forward to offer themselves as a sacrifice and avert a popular uprising.

Clearly these politicians didn't rise to power by being big in game show TV. They understand that fucking up government would lead to them being dead.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The PM’s called for early elections in response to the unrest.

They ought to fucking resign. They did an awful job. At this rate Michel Auon is like the soft spoken Arab Donald Trump...so not trump at all actually. Lol.

Resigning is not the best option. Calling an election, letting the people exercise the vote to (politically) beat the crap out of the leaders, is much much better. For the good of their party though, I expect they'll take the middle road: resign and then, shortly after, face the election with new leaders.

Well you can't always get what you want.