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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:06 pm

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Just negligence. They stored it in an unsafe facility, ostensibly because they figured "right then, def safer to store it somewhere," without realizing that you need some more safety precautions for that much ammonium nitrate. I mean, Jesus Christ.


That, and they (specifically judges) ignored written requests for the ammonium nitrate to be exported, donated to the Lebannese military or sold to a civil explosives company.


Ownership was likely being litigated out with big mega corp in the US likely claiming ownership of it.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:11 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:You got a link? Strangely enough that's pretty much bang on my estimate.


I read it earlier but can't for the life of me remember where. It was a university that did the sums but I can't remember which one.

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt ... erm=&zm=14

This is the estimate for 1.5 kilotons. Notice the crater pretty much fits the photos we saw earlier exactly, along with the damage that was seen in other areas.

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:15 pm

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That, and they (specifically judges) ignored written requests for the ammonium nitrate to be exported, donated to the Lebannese military or sold to a civil explosives company.


Ownership was likely being litigated out with big mega corp in the US likely claiming ownership of it.


The ship MV Rhosus (not sure about the cargo) was Russian-owned and had a Moldovan flag. After months of legal repatriation issues the ship was eventually abandoned by its owners and crew.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/ ... 16684.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Rhosus
The owner of Rhosus went bankrupt[c] and, after the charterers lost interest in the cargo, the owner abandoned the ship.[4] Rhosus then quickly ran out of provisions, while the crew were unable to disembark due to immigration restrictions.[5] Creditors also obtained three arrest warrants against the ship.[d][4][5] Lawyers argued for the crew's repatriation on compassionate grounds, due to the danger posed by the cargo still aboard the ship, and an Urgent Matters judge in Beirut allowed them to return home after having been stuck aboard the ship for about a year.[4][5] The dangerous cargo was then brought ashore in 2014 and placed in a building, Hangar 12, at the port, pursuant to a court order, for the next six years.
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Postby Aureumterra » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:51 pm

Calva wrote:You saw the live leak vid of the explosion right? The explosion was basically as strong as a nuke on par with the pepcon disaster in the us. I’ve added in both the Beirut explosion video from live leak as well as one on the pepcon disaster along with the wiki for it.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=99E8i_1596565361
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEPCON_disaster
https://youtu.be/_1kTAX9uWcw

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Postby Aureumterra » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:55 pm

One theory that’s actually plausible is an accidental fire at a Hezbollah weapons dump
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:58 pm

Aureumterra wrote:One theory that’s actually plausible is an accidental fire at a Hezbollah weapons dump


No. Just no.

The cause has been pretty well identified and we even know exactly where the AN came from. It was a fuck up in a government storage facility. You don't think the Lebanon government would want to blame Hezbollah if they could?
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Postby Aureumterra » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:03 pm

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Aureumterra wrote:One theory that’s actually plausible is an accidental fire at a Hezbollah weapons dump


No. Just no.

The cause has been pretty well identified and we even know exactly where the AN came from. It was a fuck up in a government storage facility. You don't think the Lebanon government would want to blame Hezbollah if they could?

May want to take a look at this

It’s just speculation but you don’t generally find ammonium nitrate being linked to Iran and Hezbollah and then have an explosion the next year randomly
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:05 pm

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No. Just no.

The cause has been pretty well identified and we even know exactly where the AN came from. It was a fuck up in a government storage facility. You don't think the Lebanon government would want to blame Hezbollah if they could?

May want to take a look at this

It’s just speculation but you don’t generally find ammonium nitrate being linked to Iran and Hezbollah and then have an explosion the next year randomly


The stuff has been there since 2014. There have even been court motions from the port officials to get it moved.

Jog on with your conspiracy theories.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:05 pm

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Fartsniffage wrote:
No. Just no.

The cause has been pretty well identified and we even know exactly where the AN came from. It was a fuck up in a government storage facility. You don't think the Lebanon government would want to blame Hezbollah if they could?

May want to take a look at this

It’s just speculation but you don’t generally find ammonium nitrate being linked to Iran and Hezbollah and then have an explosion the next year randomly

This is just baseless speculation. The article you linked was talking about a situation in London that happened nearly a year ago. There is nothing linking these incidents together.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:17 pm

https://imgur.com/gallery/LFS1ctG

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:18 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:
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Ownership was likely being litigated out with big mega corp in the US likely claiming ownership of it.


The ship MV Rhosus (not sure about the cargo) was Russian-owned and had a Moldovan flag. After months of legal repatriation issues the ship was eventually abandoned by its owners and crew.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/ ... 16684.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Rhosus
The owner of Rhosus went bankrupt[c] and, after the charterers lost interest in the cargo, the owner abandoned the ship.[4] Rhosus then quickly ran out of provisions, while the crew were unable to disembark due to immigration restrictions.[5] Creditors also obtained three arrest warrants against the ship.[d][4][5] Lawyers argued for the crew's repatriation on compassionate grounds, due to the danger posed by the cargo still aboard the ship, and an Urgent Matters judge in Beirut allowed them to return home after having been stuck aboard the ship for about a year.[4][5] The dangerous cargo was then brought ashore in 2014 and placed in a building, Hangar 12, at the port, pursuant to a court order, for the next six years.


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Postby Andsed » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:27 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:https://imgur.com/gallery/LFS1ctG

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Fartsniffage wrote:https://imgur.com/gallery/LFS1ctG

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Postby Atheris » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:37 pm

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Aureumterra wrote:People are blaming Israel?


Meanwhile, Denmark hasn't made any explicit denial that they were involved. They've been suspiciously quiet..

Easily disproved. Denmark doesn't even exist.
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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:42 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:https://imgur.com/gallery/LFS1ctG

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Meanwhile, Denmark hasn't made any explicit denial that they were involved. They've been suspiciously quiet..

Easily disproved. Denmark doesn't even exist.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:06 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:I'm just hoping they can find the assholes responsible for such gross negligence - IE, the people who owned the warehouse, those responsible for storing away the ammonium nitrate, etc etc.

Edit: Wait, turns out it'd been stored by the government after having been confiscated. Welp.

Basically the government blew itself up?

Something doesn’t add up

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Postby Aureumterra » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:07 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:May want to take a look at this

It’s just speculation but you don’t generally find ammonium nitrate being linked to Iran and Hezbollah and then have an explosion the next year randomly


The stuff has been there since 2014. There have even been court motions from the port officials to get it moved.

Jog on with your conspiracy theories.

My conspiracy theories?
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Postby Nakena » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:13 pm

Bellingcat has a good summary.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:14 pm

Atheris wrote:
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Meanwhile, Denmark hasn't made any explicit denial that they were involved. They've been suspiciously quiet..

Easily disproved. Denmark doesn't even exist.


It's Greater Sweden.

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The crate is impressive:

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:19 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
The stuff has been there since 2014. There have even been court motions from the port officials to get it moved.

Jog on with your conspiracy theories.

My conspiracy theories?


Yes. You are the one sharing them so they are your conspiracy theories.
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Postby La Xinga » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:21 pm

Is it possible these were just rebellious youths?
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Postby Andsed » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:22 pm

La xinga wrote:Is it possible these were just rebellious youths?

Not really? It was more likely an industrial accident born from gross negligence and carelessness.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:23 pm

La xinga wrote:Is it possible these were just rebellious youths?

Are rebellious youths capable of detonating with 1.5 kilotons of power? I know it may sometimes seem like it, but I doubt it.
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Postby La Xinga » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:24 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
La xinga wrote:Is it possible these were just rebellious youths?

Are rebellious youths capable of detonating with 1.5 kilotons of power? I know it may sometimes seem like it, but I doubt it.

True, I just can't think of anything else.
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La xinga wrote:Is it possible these were just rebellious youths?

Not really? It was more likely an industrial accident born from gross negligence and carelessness.

So how do people in the end say this happen then? An accident?
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