When is an immigrant group considered to be assimilated?

[The Archregimancy]

When is a group considered to be assimilated?

When they realise that resistance is futile, their biological and technological distinctiveness has been added to the collective, and their culture has adapted to serve the mods us.

[Shazbotdom]

When is a group considered to be assimilated?

When they realise that resistance is futile, their biological and technological distinctiveness has been added to the collective, and their culture has adapted to serve the mods us.

I already made that joke Arch. Keep up.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

When is a group considered to be assimilated?

When they realise that resistance is futile, their biological and technological distinctiveness has been added to the collective, and their culture has adapted to serve the mods us.

I already made that joke Arch. Keep up.

*cough* I read both pages before making the joke, did I miss something?

[Kowani]

I already made that joke Arch. Keep up.

*cough* I read both pages before making the joke, did I miss something?

That you're not assimilated into NSG culture yet.

[Shazbotdom]

I already made that joke Arch. Keep up.

*cough* I read both pages before making the joke, did I miss something?

Oh, bite me. Wait, no, don't.

[The Archregimancy]

When is a group considered to be assimilated?

When they realise that resistance is futile, their biological and technological distinctiveness has been added to the collective, and their culture has adapted to serve the mods us.

I already made that joke Arch. Keep up.

We must keep repeating the message until assimilation is complete.

[The Blaatschapen]

I already made that joke Arch. Keep up.

We must keep repeating the message until assimilation is complete.

Or until another mod drops by with a reference to a completely different television series that happens to involve Terry Jones.

[Kubra]

what if they have a German last name and like eating soup with meatballs
I mean soup with meatballs is kinda out there for us Anglos

In my youthful radical days this would have been grounds for a pogrom but nowadays any one odd food habit except cannibalism or pineapple on pizza can have a free pass as a treat.

but pineapple pizza is a *hella* Anglo thing

[Prozitia]

I mean, why should they be assimilated as long as they're civil and responsible?

[Ghost Land]

When they look like and act like the dominant ethnic group of that land. For an example, Turks in Germany are not yet integrated because you could probably tell them apart from a real German. But Germans in America are integrated because you probably couldn't tell them apart from any other American. Some would argue that once the immigrants are in that country, they're legitimate citizens of it. I'd disagree and tell them to be real.

Germans in America are different from other Americans. We speak German, we eat German food, we celebrate Christmas on the 24th, and things like that. We're considered integrated based on race, not because we're more American in terms of culture.

I would say not really in my area, and I'm speaking as someone of partial German descent. Most white people around here tend to claim some vague German ancestry, but you can't tell who is and isn't part-German by looking at or talking to them. We eat hot dogs, burgers, and apple pie, not so much on the sauerkraut. (I've always thought sauerkraut to be disgusting, but that's just me.)

[The Emerald Legion]

When they look like and act like the dominant ethnic group of that land. For an example, Turks in Germany are not yet integrated because you could probably tell them apart from a real German. But Germans in America are integrated because you probably couldn't tell them apart from any other American. Some would argue that once the immigrants are in that country, they're legitimate citizens of it. I'd disagree and tell them to be real.

Germans in America are different from other Americans. We speak German, we eat German food, we celebrate Christmas on the 24th, and things like that. We're considered integrated based on race, not because we're more American in terms of culture.

You're not really considered integrated TBH. It's just you don't have racists trying to throw you out based on your non-integration.

[Geneviev]

Germans in America are different from other Americans. We speak German, we eat German food, we celebrate Christmas on the 24th, and things like that. We're considered integrated based on race, not because we're more American in terms of culture.

I would say not really in my area, and I'm speaking as someone of partial German descent. Most white people around here tend to claim some vague German ancestry, but you can't tell who is and isn't part-German by looking at or talking to them. We eat hot dogs, burgers, and apple pie, not so much on the sauerkraut. (I've always thought sauerkraut to be disgusting, but that's just me.)

I agree on the Sauerkraut. Rotkraut is much better. Anyway, claiming partial German ancestry doesn't really make someone German. After a certain point, they're just American, and that's where most of that group is. So they're not really integrated as much as already American for generations.

Germans in America are different from other Americans. We speak German, we eat German food, we celebrate Christmas on the 24th, and things like that. We're considered integrated based on race, not because we're more American in terms of culture.

You're not really considered integrated TBH. It's just you don't have racists trying to throw you out based on your non-integration.

I think that was the definition of integrated being used here, and at least one person definitely considers us integrated here.

[Dumb Ideologies]

In my youthful radical days this would have been grounds for a pogrom but nowadays any one odd food habit except cannibalism or pineapple on pizza can have a free pass as a treat.

but pineapple pizza is a *hella* Anglo thing

Christ maybe we deserve to be Replaced.

[Lanoraie II]

It's very situational and specific. Perhaps the best measure is in mindset; does the immigrant reject most or all of the host country's culture? If so, they're not assimilated....and also probably shouldn't be there in the first place. On the other hand, do they accept and at least partially participate/respect certain aspects and have an appreciation for the people of the country that took them in? If so, they can be considered at least partially assimilated.

Assimilation doesn't inherently mean complete conformity. An Arabic man can move to America and continue his own traditions while also respecting and (hopefully) enjoying the traditions of Americans. He doesn't have to like all of them either....I don't like the 4th of July because of the fireworks. He wouldn't be less assimilated if he held the same opinion. He can also reject parts of American culture and still be assimilated, i.e. constantly eating fast food and being obnoxious/talking loudly.

Assimilation is adaptation + respect. Someone who cannot respect any part of a country's culture/lifestyle does not deserve to be there, and someone who refuses to adapt in even the most mildest of ways is also undeserving; if you go to Japan and refuse to not talk on the phone while on the train, you're not assimilated and you're also a [REDACTED]. And if you think kimonos are ugly and loudly mock everything non-controversial about the Japanese way of life, just go home at that point. Why are you there?

[Ostroeuropa]

It's an endpoint.

The difference between integration and assimilation is key as they're two stages on the same spectrum. They're integrated when they speak the language fluently and they do not isolate in social bubbles where they predominantly or exclusively speak to, work with, and marry people from the same place their relatives came from.

They would only be fully assimilated if they stopped considering themselves as even having a hybrid hyphenated identity, considering themselves solely as being "of" the country they live in and being accepted as such.

Lack of integration is a social problem because it creates communities where children are brought up othering the host community and defining themselves at best with indifference to it and at worst against it. Where first and second generations immigrants make genuine attempts to move towards integration then that is the most we can realistically expect because in many respects this is working against most people's natural instincts. And then perhaps at the third or fourth generation they are assimilated. If social policy doesn't eschew notions of multiculturalism and deliberately aim at getting the integrative ball rolling, however, this often won't happen.

If we could avoid bloodied rivers and the violent spasms of wanton destruction that result from cultural anxiety that would be just grand.

what if they have a German last name and like eating soup with meatballs
I mean soup with meatballs is kinda out there for us Anglos

I would contend DI has left out that assimilation only requires an abandoning of behaviors that the majority group considered too foreign to be tolerated.

Food is often ignored for this, because food. But dress can be sometimes, and music and so on. It's basically;

"Do we like this? If so, you can keep it. It can be part of your "Well my granddad was X" rather than "I am a Y". Do we not like it? It has to go."

"I'm spanish-british and-" <- You have failed.
"I'm British. I cook this neat spanish dish because my grandmama was spanish." <-You have succeeded.

"I'm British. I like to watch the bull-fighting because my grandpa was a bullfighter." <- You have failed.

There is no hard set rule, because it depends on what the majority culture is prepared to accept as "heritage" and what it sees as a continuation of a foreign meme. Attribution of the behavior to your ancestors rather than your own identity is also needed to get you a pass.

[Auristania]

To be integrated is the exact opposite of being differentiated.

[Shofercia]

For a week now I've been debating in my head this one topic that I thought of while watching of all shows The Sopranos. I was watching the episode about Columbus Day when I asked myself "at what point is an immigrant group in America considered to be integrated?" Italian Americans have been here for over 100 years now, and while many wouldnt really view them as any different from any other American, many mob films and shows, especially the Sopranos, traffic heavily in stereotypes about Italian Americans. In the Sopranos for example, almost everyone speaks in a New Jersey accent, they all tend to be extremely vulgar, there's spousal abuse and the only characters ever portrayed in a different light from the rest are Tony Soprano's kids, AJ and Meadow. Everyone else is your stereotype of what Italians are supposed to be. So are Italian Americans really integrated and accepted into America? How much stereotyping does it take for an ethnic group to be viewed with hostility or as outsiders? When did such views change regarding ethnics in the United States such as Italians, the Irish, the Poles or Greeks? Imo I honestly don't know. I used to assume Italian Americans had all but melted into the American population but after catching up on several mafia movies when I was under lockdown a few months ago, it still seems like alot of stereoptypes remain and Americans still view Italians as kind of different from everyone else. Let me know your thoughts below.

When they learn the value of paragraph style writing, or when immigrants lower their proverbial shields and surrender their little shits, so that the citizens can add their biological and technological distinctiveness to the country, ensure that immigrant culture adapts to service the host state, and when when immigrants understand that resistance to idiotic politicians is futile, and that when it comes to violating their privacy, megacorps will go where no one has gone before... so might want to cover those laptop cameras, just saying...

/humor and sarcasm

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I imagine that that happens once they are one or two generations in and speak English (integration need not mean losing culture and language, imo) and participate in the society of the new country.

[Salus Maior]

I'd say when the language is adopted and their interests align with the interests of their new country.

[Ghost Land]

I would say not really in my area, and I'm speaking as someone of partial German descent. Most white people around here tend to claim some vague German ancestry, but you can't tell who is and isn't part-German by looking at or talking to them. We eat hot dogs, burgers, and apple pie, not so much on the sauerkraut. (I've always thought sauerkraut to be disgusting, but that's just me.)

I agree on the Sauerkraut. Rotkraut is much better. Anyway, claiming partial German ancestry doesn't really make someone German. After a certain point, they're just American, and that's where most of that group is. So they're not really integrated as much as already American for generations.

You're not really considered integrated TBH. It's just you don't have racists trying to throw you out based on your non-integration.

I think that was the definition of integrated being used here, and at least one person definitely considers us integrated here.

Exactly; that's what I was trying to say. I'd say English, Irish, Dutch, German, and Scandinavian ethnic groups are already all amalgamated into the collective American cultural identity, especially considering the typical person who is culturally white American may very well be, for example, 46% German, 17% Irish, 14% Swedish, 13% English, and 10% Dutch. Someone who comes over fresh from a small village in Germany and hasn't been exposed to too much American culture might have some "exotic" factor when they first arrive here, but that's due to being directly German as opposed to being a fifth-generation American of 46% German descent.

I am of approximately 65% German, 15% Danish, 7% Norwegian, and 13% other European descent. Do I identify as "German-American"? No; I'm full-blown white American, as are my parents and grandparents. (Certain great-grandparents perhaps not as much, as my great-great-grandfather was born in Denmark, but that's beside the point.) To me this is the test of a fully integrated and assimilated group: when you refer to yourself and your family as being (country of residence), as opposed to a hyphenated form (i.e. American, not German-American or French-American or Ugandan-American). I'd say, as mentioned, Anglo-Germano-Celtic ethnic groups all fit this criterion other than fresh-off-the-boat immigrants from those countries. West Slavs are mostly there too; there are plenty of people of Polish descent in my area who've been here forever and are indistinguishable from Americans of non-Polish descent other than maybe their last name ending in "ski" or "wicz". There is still a strong Italian-American identity, so I wouldn't say Italians are completely assimilated into our culture, but they are considered "white" by most people except my dad (he refers to Italians as "European Negroes", but that's a different topic altogether). I'd say in general, "American" identity and culture refers to white American identity and culture, as there are separate Asian-American, Indian-American, Native American, and African-American identities that can overlap with American identity and culture but are still in many ways distinct from it; the African-American culture is different from white American culture due to different backgrounds and experiences, and no matter how much time passes, I don't think everyone will ever be fully assimilated, nor should they be. My mantra is, integrate (learn English and participate in American society), but don't necessarily assimilate to the point of losing all of your own culture.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

To be integrated is the exact opposite of being differentiated.

Doesn't differentiation destroy any constant part of the equation? And you can't get it back by integration?
Or maybe the other way around. I remember they're asymmetrical in some way ...

[Cetacea]

they're assimilated when the racist stop being assholes and ignore their existence because assimilation is shit that needs to be wiped out.

Theres something like 50 Million German Americans and of course many American traditons like Hamburgers, Christmas Trees and Kindergartens have German origins.

Assimilation is not "shit that needs to be wiped out". Assimilation is necessary for the survival of local cultures and customs. Without assimilation, local customs and cultures are overtaken by foreign ones and systematically destroyed whether intentionally or not. Assimilation to native cultures is necessary for the survival of native cultures.

Just look at Amerindians. Nobody assimilated to their cultures, now they're on the verge of extinction. Most of them already are extinct.

Assimilation and Colonialism are both vehicles of Imperialism, violent actions that seek to devour the cultural identity and self determination of Peoples and subsume them to the use of the Oppressor. Sometimes those cultural dominions include assimilating physical territories too

The action is still shit

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I agree on the Sauerkraut. Rotkraut is much better. Anyway, claiming partial German ancestry doesn't really make someone German. After a certain point, they're just American, and that's where most of that group is. So they're not really integrated as much as already American for generations.


I think that was the definition of integrated being used here, and at least one person definitely considers us integrated here.

Exactly; that's what I was trying to say. I'd say English, Irish, Dutch, German, and Scandinavian ethnic groups are already all amalgamated into the collective American cultural identity, especially considering the typical person who is culturally white American may very well be, for example, 46% German, 17% Irish, 14% Swedish, 13% English, and 10% Dutch. Someone who comes over fresh from a small village in Germany and hasn't been exposed to too much American culture might have some "exotic" factor when they first arrive here, but that's due to being directly German as opposed to being a fifth-generation American of 46% German descent.

I am of approximately 65% German, 15% Danish, 7% Norwegian, and 13% other European descent. Do I identify as "German-American"? No; I'm full-blown white American, as are my parents and grandparents. (Certain great-grandparents perhaps not as much, as my great-great-grandfather was born in Denmark, but that's beside the point.) To me this is the test of a fully integrated and assimilated group: when you refer to yourself and your family as being (country of residence), as opposed to a hyphenated form (i.e. American, not German-American or French-American or Ugandan-American). I'd say, as mentioned, Anglo-Germano-Celtic ethnic groups all fit this criterion other than fresh-off-the-boat immigrants from those countries. West Slavs are mostly there too; there are plenty of people of Polish descent in my area who've been here forever and are indistinguishable from Americans of non-Polish descent other than maybe their last name ending in "ski" or "wicz". There is still a strong Italian-American identity, so I wouldn't say Italians are completely assimilated into our culture, but they are considered "white" by most people except my dad (he refers to Italians as "European Negroes", but that's a different topic altogether). I'd say in general, "American" identity and culture refers to white American identity and culture, as there are separate Asian-American, Indian-American, Native American, and African-American identities that can overlap with American identity and culture but are still in many ways distinct from it; the African-American culture is different from white American culture due to different backgrounds and experiences, and no matter how much time passes, I don't think everyone will ever be fully assimilated, nor should they be. My mantra is, integrate (learn English and participate in American society), but don't necessarily assimilate to the point of losing all of your own culture.

If italians are considered white but foreign, is it possible many americans view Arab americans in a similar fashion?

[Aureumterra]

Assimilation is not "shit that needs to be wiped out". Assimilation is necessary for the survival of local cultures and customs. Without assimilation, local customs and cultures are overtaken by foreign ones and systematically destroyed whether intentionally or not. Assimilation to native cultures is necessary for the survival of native cultures.

Just look at Amerindians. Nobody assimilated to their cultures, now they're on the verge of extinction. Most of them already are extinct.

Assimilation and Colonialism are both vehicles of Imperialism, violent actions that seek to devour the cultural identity and self determination of Peoples and subsume them to the use of the Oppressor. Sometimes those cultural dominions include assimilating physical territories toot

This sounds like a lecture at the Frankfurt School

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Assimilation is not "shit that needs to be wiped out". Assimilation is necessary for the survival of local cultures and customs. Without assimilation, local customs and cultures are overtaken by foreign ones and systematically destroyed whether intentionally or not. Assimilation to native cultures is necessary for the survival of native cultures.

Just look at Amerindians. Nobody assimilated to their cultures, now they're on the verge of extinction. Most of them already are extinct.

Assimilation and Colonialism are both vehicles of Imperialism, violent actions that seek to devour the cultural identity and self determination of Peoples and subsume them to the use of the Oppressor. Sometimes those cultural dominions include assimilating physical territories too

The action is still shit

Don't you recognize some distinction between Assimilation and Colonialism? To do with who it is, who travelled to the other's country?