US GDP to fall by -32.9%, Europe's by -40.3%

[The Black Forrest]

No not an opinion. He mishandled a crisis and that is a fact. He lies more than other politicians, etc. He doesn't know what he is doing but people like you irrationally worship the man.

You could blame a lot of it on the WHO, China, etc.

Blame him? For the existence of the pandemic? That’s just a simple minded argument the trumpests make all the time.

His incompetence and general lack of concern made it as bad as it is here.

Unless in times of war or basically enemies.....at the top of my head; I can’t think of a time where Americans were banned from entering countries......

It's a pandemic, are you blaming the fact that Americans cannot go anywhere on Trump?

Now now don’t go the simple minded route of “you are blaming the pandemic on Trump” that’s copy righted by his cultists.

Pandemics don’t all see borders closing. Again when was the last time you heard of Americans being banned from entering? Trump and his people messed things so badly; we are viewed as a threat for infection.

The WHO declared a Global Pandemic on March 11, that's nearly five months ago. At that time the US had 269 confirmed cases. And before that they'd made it pretty clear that this was a serious issue which was ignored.

Donald Trump said the lockdown was a matter for governors, not the state.

And that was one of his lies. If he truly believed that; he would threaten states on federal funding over school openings and had Barr threaten to sue states for not opening.

[Region of Dwipantara]

Meanwhile, as a comparison, Europe's economy shrunk by 11.9% in Q2, which is worse than the US's 9.5%. However, that's Q2; an annual projection leaves the EU far better off, at least if I'm reading this right.

The eurozone economy shrank by 12.1 per cent in the second quarter of 2020 compared to the previous one — the biggest drop on record, Eurostat announced on Friday.

Gross Domestic Product (GDP) for the whole European Union is meanwhile projected to have fallen by 11.9 per cent, according to preliminary estimates by the bloc's official statistics agency.

The EU Commission warned in May that it expected the bloc to go through a "recession of historic proportions" in 2020 and doubled down on the statement earlier this month, announcing it expected the recession to be "even deeper" than it had initially forecast.

Brussels now projects that the economy of the 19 countries using the common currency will contract by 8.7 per cent this year. GDP for the wider EU is expected to shrink 8.3 per cent.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.eurone ... -on-record

So... China rules the world? Well, not yet, but losing a third of the economy + a potential second recession in the horizon + crippling national debt would obviously be a blow to the US's position. And I'm not seeing an easy way out either.

Update: Nope, nope. This is from Fox News, but a number is still a number:

The Eurozone suffered its greatest contraction on record, exceeding the U.S. economy’s record plunge.

A report by the European Union’s statistics agency published a report on Friday that showed the trade zone’s GDP contracted by 12.1 percent during the three months through June, which is equivalent to 40.3 percent annualized. That exceeded the U.S. economy’s equivalent 32.9 percent contraction, the Wall Street Journal reported. While most countries report GDP changes between quarters, the U.S. extrapolates GDP over a full year, which makes it easier to compare GDP in different time periods.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbus ... record.amp

-40.3%. Well, there goes the other bastion of liberal democracy. But to be fair, their lockdown measures are much stricter. What long term impact this will result, compared to the US, I don't currently know.

[Kowani]

Deflecting is fun.

Is this supposed to be a threadjack or something?

Clearly he did not care about the reality that 1-in-5 Americans over the age of 70 were going to die.

He is over the age of seventy.

And he gets fate every day and has access to top-tier medical care.

[Gaazikumukh]

Remember when Trump said that the virus would magically go away in the summer once the sun came out?

It's august now, where the hell is this magical vanishing?

He was downplaying the scale of the problem as late as fucking June, and encouraging reopening by early April, after it was declared a pandemic.

He wanted to make people less miserable, not downplay.

You know what would make people less miserable? If he confronted the problem head on instead of sticking his fingers in his ears and watching as 150,000 americans die due to his criminal negligence.

We are well beyond the need for comfort right now, we need solutions. Pretending like "it's not that bad" is a horribly poor decision that is wracking our nation with crippling socioeconomic upheaval that all could have been prevented if he just listened to his advisors, or better yet, stopped trying to convince people that the virus was a hoax in the first place.

[La Xinga]

You could blame a lot of it on the WHO, China, etc.

It's a pandemic, are you blaming the fact that Americans cannot go anywhere on Trump?

Now now don’t go the simple minded route of “you are blaming the pandemic on Trump” that’s copy righted by his cultists.

Pandemics don’t all see borders closing. Again when was the last time you heard of Americans being banned from entering? Trump and his people messed things so badly; we are viewed as a threat for infection.

Donald Trump said the lockdown was a matter for governors, not the state.

And that was one of his lies. If he truly believed that; he would threaten states on federal funding over school openings and had Barr threaten to sue states for not opening.

1 Again, where does Trump come into this?
2. Then people would complain about his authority.

Is this supposed to be a threadjack or something?

He is over the age of seventy.

And he gets fate every day and has access to top-tier medical care.

Fate?

[Organized States]

Clearly he did not care about the reality that 1-in-5 Americans over the age of 70 were going to die.

He is over the age of seventy.

Yeah, as long as it wasn't him. Fuck everyone else, am I right?

[Fartsniffage]

Deflecting is fun.

Is this supposed to be a threadjack or something?

Clearly he did not care about the reality that 1-in-5 Americans over the age of 70 were going to die.

He is over the age of seventy.

You realise how that make it worse, right? He can't even show empathy for the group of people he should be most able to relate to.

[La Xinga]

He wanted to make people less miserable, not downplay.

You know what would make people less miserable? If he confronted the problem head on instead of sticking his fingers in his ears and watching as 150,000 americans die due to his criminal negligence.

We are well beyond the need for comfort right now, we need solutions. Pretending like "it's not that bad" is a horribly poor decision that is wracking our nation with crippling socioeconomic upheaval that all could have been prevented if he just listened to his advisors, or better yet, stopped trying to convince people that the virus was a hoax in the first place.[/quote]


You think he told people the virus was a hoax?

Is this supposed to be a threadjack or something?

He is over the age of seventy.

You realise how that make it worse, right? He can't even show empathy for the group of people he should be most able to relate to.

Who say he ain't showin' empathy?

[Lower Nubia]

Can the title change? Annualised fall of 32.9%, this quarter I believe fell by 10%.

Otherwise it sounds like 32% of US economy just vanished - which isn’t true.

[The Black Forrest]

Now now don’t go the simple minded route of “you are blaming the pandemic on Trump” that’s copy righted by his cultists.

Pandemics don’t all see borders closing. Again when was the last time you heard of Americans being banned from entering? Trump and his people messed things so badly; we are viewed as a threat for infection.



And that was one of his lies. If he truly believed that; he would threaten states on federal funding over school openings and had Barr threaten to sue states for not opening.

1 Again, where does Trump come into this?
2. Then people would complain about his authority.

And he gets fate every day and has access to top-tier medical care.

Fate?

1) You can not divorce trump from covid. He screwed the pooch on handling this one.
2) Hmmm? He is more of a wannabe authoritarian. Even then. That doesn’t dismiss the arguments against his comment of “it’s a matter of the governors”. He doesn’t believe that one bit. Especially if it doesn’t help his election effort.

[Fartsniffage]

Who say he ain't showin' empathy?

Everyone who has been paying attention to his words and actions since the 80's.

[The Black Forrest]

Who say he ain't showin' empathy?

Everyone who has been paying attention to his words and actions since the 80's.

Oh I missed that one. Yes. Empathy is not a word you can apply to Trump. For example; he has yet to apologize for his actions over the Central Park 5.

[La Xinga]

1 Again, where does Trump come into this?
2. Then people would complain about his authority.
Fate?

1) You can not divorce trump from covid. He screwed the pooch on handling this one.
2) Hmmm? He is more of a wannabe authoritarian. Even then. That doesn’t dismiss the arguments against his comment of “it’s a matter of the governors”. He doesn’t believe that one bit. Especially if it doesn’t help his election effort.

1. An Opinion. I believe he did an extremely great job.
2. Who says he doesn't believe it?!

Who say he ain't showin' empathy?

Everyone who has been paying attention to his words and actions since the 80's.

If he was president since the 80s I think I've been asleep since the 80s.

[Gaazikumukh]

You think he told people the virus was a hoax?

Please stop.

He's also retweeted numerous tweets that show people calling the virus itself a hoax as well. Such as this one

[Region of Dwipantara]

Can the title change? Annualised fall of 32.9%, this quarter I believe fell by 10%.

Otherwise it sounds like 32% of US economy just vanished - which isn’t true.

What about adding "to"? It keeps the clickbait, but it also shows that this is still a projection.

[The Black Forrest]

You think he told people the virus was a hoax?

Please stop.

He's also retweeted numerous tweets that show people calling the virus itself a hoax as well. Such as this one

Indeed. The first one also shows where is true concern lays...his portfolio......

[Gaazikumukh]

Please stop.

He's also retweeted numerous tweets that show people calling the virus itself a hoax as well. Such as this one

Indeed. The first one also shows where is true concern lays...his portfolio......

I mean seriously people literally follow his twitter nonstop how the hell do so many people not pick up on his blatant lies??

I wish that there was some respite for all the people endangered by his negligence. If he has just shut the hell up about politics and put on a god damn mask, we would be out of this virus by now.

[La Xinga]

You think he told people the virus was a hoax?

Please stop.

He's also retweeted numerous tweets that show people calling the virus itself a hoax as well. Such as this one

1. Yeah, it's under control. Was de issue?
2. He ain't sayin CoVID is a hoax, he is saying people are lying about it.

[Post War America]

He was downplaying the scale of the problem as late as fucking June, and encouraging reopening by early April, after it was declared a pandemic.

He wanted to make people less miserable, not downplay.

That is bullshit. Plain and simple. Calming hysteria is one thing. Making it seem like the crisis will be over in a couple of weeks is dangerous misrepresentation.

[The Black Forrest]

1) You can not divorce trump from covid. He screwed the pooch on handling this one.
2) Hmmm? He is more of a wannabe authoritarian. Even then. That doesn’t dismiss the arguments against his comment of “it’s a matter of the governors”. He doesn’t believe that one bit. Especially if it doesn’t help his election effort.

1. An Opinion. I believe he did an extremely great job.
2. Who says he doesn't believe it?!

Everyone who has been paying attention to his words and actions since the 80's.

If he was president since the 80s I think I've been asleep since the 80s.

1) No facts. Have you even looked at the casualty lists? How did he do a great job?
2) Because he doesn’t. One tweet does not eliminate all the other comments and actions. Trump says whatever comes to his mind at the moment. He is like a used car salesmen.

Fart didn’t even remotely suggest Trump has been President since the 80s.

[Gaazikumukh]

Please stop.

He's also retweeted numerous tweets that show people calling the virus itself a hoax as well. Such as this one

1. Yeah, it's under control. Was de issue?
2. He ain't sayin CoVID is a hoax, he is saying people are lying about it.

Look at the date on the tweet.

He said it was under control in february...

Ya know... before shit hit the fan immediately in march.

You also seem to conveniently ignore the tweet that he retweeted as well.

[The Black Forrest]

Please stop.

He's also retweeted numerous tweets that show people calling the virus itself a hoax as well. Such as this one

1. Yeah, it's under control. Was de issue?
2. He ain't sayin CoVID is a hoax, he is saying people are lying about it.

1) again 20000 dead in the next 21 days and even projections of 250000 dead. This is not under control. We have hot spots appearing all over.
2) He called covid the new hoax.

[La Xinga]

He wanted to make people less miserable, not downplay.

That is bullshit. Plain and simple. Calming hysteria is one thing. Making it seem like the crisis will be over in a couple of weeks is dangerous misrepresentation.

He didn't say it *sigh* He didn't.

1. Yeah, it's under control. Was de issue?
2. He ain't sayin CoVID is a hoax, he is saying people are lying about it.

Look at the date on the tweet.

He said it was under control in february...

Ya know... before shit hit the fan immediately in march.

You also seem to conveniently ignore the tweet that he retweeted as well. Oh well, closed minds do be closed though

Yeah, it was under control in Feb, and later too.

And link the tweet then.

1. An Opinion. I believe he did an extremely great job.
2. Who says he doesn't believe it?!

If he was president since the 80s I think I've been asleep since the 80s.

1) No facts. Have you even looked at the casualty lists? How did he do a great job?
2) Because he doesn’t. One tweet does not eliminate all the other comments and actions. Trump says whatever comes to his mind at the moment. He is like a used car salesmen.

Fart didn’t even remotely suggest Trump has been President since the 80s.

1. He made me less sad about stuff, and left it the governors, allowing a diversity of the times.
2. Yeah, he says what's in his mind at the moment, he could change it.

[Lower Nubia]

Can the title change? Annualised fall of 32.9%, this quarter I believe fell by 10%.

Otherwise it sounds like 32% of US economy just vanished - which isn’t true.

What about adding "to"? It keeps the clickbait, but it also shows that this is still a projection.

Or we evolve beyond click bait and have a sensible title?

[La Xinga]

1. Yeah, it's under control. Was de issue?
2. He ain't sayin CoVID is a hoax, he is saying people are lying about it.

1) again 20000 dead in the next 21 days and even projections of 250000 dead. This is not under control. We have hot spots appearing all over.
2) He called covid the new hoax.

1. I say that's very under control. People are trying to stop it and some states are doing fine.
2. LINK IT!