Trump to Ban TikTok – and Tencent?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Don't know why I see so much pro trump crap then, cause I sure as hell am no fan of the president.

Many people openly state they don't support him and yet vote for him.

Ew no

[Ethel mermania]

Don't know why I see so much pro trump crap then, cause I sure as hell am no fan of the president.

Many people openly state they don't support him and yet vote for him.

You got 11 democrats on a debate stage saying "yes, let's give illegal aliens free medicare", who the hell else am I suppose to vote for?

[-Astoria-]

Many people openly state they don't support him and yet vote for him.

You got 11 democrats on a debate stage saying "yes, let's give illegal aliens free medicare", who the hell else am I suppose to vote for?

And in top 10 things that definitely did happen...

[Aureumterra]

Don't know why I see so much pro trump crap then, cause I sure as hell am no fan of the president.

Many people openly state they don't support him and yet vote for him.

Probably because they want to keep their job and/or stay alive depending on the parts of the world they are in

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Many people openly state they don't support him and yet vote for him.

You got 11 democrats on a debate stage saying "yes, let's give illegal aliens free medicare", who the hell else am I suppose to vote for?

I'd rather have that than have a president who admires Kim Jong Un. Honestly, I'll give the illegals free Medicare if the alternative is an end to american democracy.

[Ethel mermania]

You got 11 democrats on a debate stage saying "yes, let's give illegal aliens free medicare", who the hell else am I suppose to vote for?

I'd rather have that than have a president who admires Kim Jong Un. Honestly, I'll give the illegals free Medicare if the alternative is an end to american democracy.

Ok,

Back to the topic, the point of this is the newish law in the prc requiring Chinese companies to give up data to the prc on demand. Having tik tok's US servers in Singapore no longer protects the data from PRC requests, therefore its deemed a security risk.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I'd rather have that than have a president who admires Kim Jong Un. Honestly, I'll give the illegals free Medicare if the alternative is an end to american democracy.

Ok,

Back to the topic, the point of this is the newish law in the prc requiring Chinese companies to give up data to the prc on demand. Having tik tok's US servers in Singapore no longer protects the data from PRC requests, therefore its deemed a security risk.

How is a law in China gonna effect a company based in Singapore?

[Costa Fierro]

Many people openly state they don't support him and yet vote for him.

You got 11 democrats on a debate stage saying "yes, let's give illegal aliens free medicare", who the hell else am I suppose to vote for?

How about don't vote at all?

[Ethel mermania]

Ok,

Back to the topic, the point of this is the newish law in the prc requiring Chinese companies to give up data to the prc on demand. Having tik tok's US servers in Singapore no longer protects the data from PRC requests, therefore its deemed a security risk.

How is a law in China gonna effect a company based in Singapore?

Ownership is based in china.

[Ethel mermania]

You got 11 democrats on a debate stage saying "yes, let's give illegal aliens free medicare", who the hell else am I suppose to vote for?

How about don't vote at all?

or third party; but that is not for this thread

[Christian Dominions of Theopolis]

What is this TikTok which I hear people banging on about?

[Region of Dwipantara]

I'll be honest, I was always impressed how the Chinese managed to take the idea behind Vine and make an even worse version.

Success and failure of a startup is bigly determined through natural selection by us, the market. If TikTok excelled, the natural selectors sucks and humanity has no hope.

[Tinhampton]

I always doubt Trump's sincerity and I definitely do now. Considering how tiktokers bought tickets to his Tulsa rally just so it would be half empty, it's very likely this egotistical brat we call the president is doing this just to get revenge against them for ruining his rally.

We know Trump. He's a vindictive and immature fool.

It's worth noting that, even before the recent Coronavirus/Tulsa/CHINA BAD shitstorm, the BBC alone was carrying multiple reports on young people using TikTok for activism/campaigning on domestic violence, climate change, Xinjiang, diabetes, knife crime, teachers' salaries, the Aboriginal Australian community, climate change again...

And now China Research Group co-founder Neil O'Brien is calling for the government to engage in a "security review" of ByteDance before/if it decides to base its headquarters in the UK - which I can only assume is an indirect call for HM Government to veto such a decision

[Ethel mermania]

I always doubt Trump's sincerity and I definitely do now. Considering how tiktokers bought tickets to his Tulsa rally just so it would be half empty, it's very likely this egotistical brat we call the president is doing this just to get revenge against them for ruining his rally.

We know Trump. He's a vindictive and immature fool.

It's worth noting that, even before the recent Coronavirus/Tulsa/CHINA BAD shitstorm, the BBC alone was carrying multiple reports on young people using TikTok for activism/campaigning on domestic violence, climate change, Xinjiang, diabetes, knife crime, teachers' salaries, the Aboriginal Australian community, climate change again...

And now China Research Group co-founder Neil O'Brien is calling for the government to engage in a "security review" of ByteDance before/if it decides to base its headquarters in the UK - which I can only assume is an indirect call for HM Government to veto such a decision

If they did an ipo on the LSE, and used the proceeds to buy out the Chinese ownership, if I were the UK, I would allow it.

[Costa Fierro]

What is this TikTok which I hear people banging on about?

Chinese spyware apparently.

Don't worry though, your data is safe with Facebook and Google!

[Region of Dwipantara]

Apparently, The Party Strikes Back. How exactly, dunno.

China will not accept the "theft" of a Chinese technology company and is able to respond to Washington's move to push ByteDance to sell short-video app TikTok's U.S. operations to Microsoft, the China Daily newspaper said on Tuesday.

The United States' "bullying" of Chinese tech companies was a consequence of Washington's zero-sum vision of "American first" and left China no choice but "submission or mortal combat in the tech realm", the state-backed paper said in an editorial.

China had "plenty of ways to respond if the administration carries out its planned smash and grab", it added.

...The Global Times newspaper, which is also government-backed, said U.S. treatment of ByteDance and Huawei Technologies [HWT.UL], now on a U.S. trade blacklist, was indicative of U.S. efforts to separate its economy from China's.

China had "limited ability" to provide protection to these Chinese companies by retaliating against U.S. companies because the United States had technological superiority and influence with its allies, it added.

"China's opening-up to the outside world and disintegrating the U.S. decoupling strategy should be priorities," it said in an editorial.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKCN25002I

Chinese netizens has also started accusing ByteDance CEO as "traitor" for agreeing to the Microsoft deal.

[The Unites State-Of-Minds]

Doesn't really matter too much, is just an early step in the US/China cold war stepping up while US leaders continue to sell out their own populace fattened up on cheap Chinese goods. If current trends continue then the world probably gets around 30 or so years of buildup and escalating tensions before one power fails out. Good news for the Americans here is that while the US is, domestically, in the weakest position its been in since the civil war era, globally it still retains its militaristic and trade dominance built from the previous cold war era.

[Region of Dwipantara]

Doesn't really matter too much, is just an early step in the US/China cold war stepping up while US leaders continue to sell out their own populace fattened up on cheap Chinese goods. If current trends continue then the world probably gets around 30 or so years of buildup and escalating tensions before one power fails out. Good news for the Americans here is that while the US is, domestically, in the weakest position its been in since the civil war era, globally it still retains its militaristic and trade dominance built from the previous cold war era.

Whether that is going to last is uncertain. To expand its sphere of influence, China targets illiberal countries (most prominently in Africa) with delicious investment money too lucrative to be denied. Meanwhile, the US is losing a third of its GDP by the end of 2020, Europe's even larger, and the raging lunacy in the White House has damaged America’s standing, influence, and power in the world by weakening the system of partnerships and alliances the country has created and relied on for decades. Even before collapsing further due to Trump’s mishandling of the pandemic, confidence in him to “do the right thing” in international affairs stood at just 29 percent among 32 countries polled—down from 74 percent in former President Barack Obama’s final year in office.

[The Alma Mater]

What is this TikTok which I hear people banging on about?

An app filled with wholesome christian content, like nuns singing "I will follow him" when a statue of Jesus is moved to another location, girls professing how they desire to remain a virgin until marriage and men lamenting how Christians are finally saying Harry Potter is actually a tale about good overcoming evil with a little resurrection thrown in - while the rest of the world now hates it.

Oh, and some other stuff as well. But do not worry about that

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Doesn't really matter too much, is just an early step in the US/China cold war stepping up while US leaders continue to sell out their own populace fattened up on cheap Chinese goods. If current trends continue then the world probably gets around 30 or so years of buildup and escalating tensions before one power fails out. Good news for the Americans here is that while the US is, domestically, in the weakest position its been in since the civil war era, globally it still retains its militaristic and trade dominance built from the previous cold war era.

Whether that is going to last is uncertain. To expand its sphere of influence, China targets illiberal countries (most prominently in Africa) with delicious investment money too lucrative to be denied. Meanwhile, the US is losing a third of its GDP by the end of 2020, Europe's even larger, and the raging lunacy in the White House has damaged America’s standing, influence, and power in the world by weakening the system of partnerships and alliances the country has created and relied on for decades. Even before collapsing further due to Trump’s mishandling of the pandemic, confidence in him to “do the right thing” in international affairs stood at just 29 percent among 32 countries polled—down from 74 percent in former President Barack Obama’s final year in office.

The US should not just stand by and let China build a resources empire in Africa. The US should learn from what real imperialists did: claim their own sphere of influence, "invest" and really screw the continent back up.

Seriously, of all the accusations levelled against China, "they're exploiting Africa" is the least well founded. Africa has a huge population, mostly literate and vast resources. All they need is investment, so good luck to China.

[The Unites State-Of-Minds]

Whether that is going to last is uncertain. To expand its sphere of influence, China targets illiberal countries (most prominently in Africa) with delicious investment money too lucrative to be denied. Meanwhile, the US is losing a third of its GDP by the end of 2020, Europe's even larger, and the raging lunacy in the White House has damaged America’s standing, influence, and power in the world by weakening the system of partnerships and alliances the country has created and relied on for decades. Even before collapsing further due to Trump’s mishandling of the pandemic, confidence in him to “do the right thing” in international affairs stood at just 29 percent among 32 countries polled—down from 74 percent in former President Barack Obama’s final year in office.

To those ends, Chinese state figures are unreliable in determining to what extent the pandemic has affected the nation, although if satellite imagery and pollution measurements are anything to go by they are in a much worse position then the other major powers, especially so given that they are an export economy. Pandemic will continue to die down as the rate of death and complications are under a sharp decline by ratio as the total number of confirmed cases increases. If the pandemic was really something to worry about it would have been too late by march and the death toll by now would be stressing localized distribution of goods.

Us will likely recover lost gains in GDP within a year if trump remains in office and continues to bolster economic function, and while trust from minor nations in the us will decline the power structure the US relies on will not be affected in the slightest. The current US strategy only cares about Canada, Mexico, India, Australia, Japan, and the UK. All of which have already renegotiated trade and militaristic deals with the current leadership. Through these economies the US can continue its cold war era degree of control of world shipping and strip off the global bodies it erected to economically bribe the world not to go with the soviets.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Apparently Trump has told Microsoft that he wants a cut of any deal for TikTok

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53633315

[Bombadil]

Apparently Trump has told Microsoft that he wants a cut of any deal for TikTok

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53633315

Meanwhile the Chinese government have called it outrageous, against free market principles, a smash and grab to threaten banning a platform, only allowing it to operate in the US if it's brought by a US company..

..with zero sense of irony whatsoever.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Apparently Trump has told Microsoft that he wants a cut of any deal for TikTok

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53633315

Classic example of "announce first, ask a lawyer later"

[The Alma Mater]

Apparently Trump has told Microsoft that he wants a cut of any deal for TikTok

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53633315

Meanwhile the Chinese government have called it outrageous, against free market principles, a smash and grab to threaten banning a platform, only allowing it to operate in the US if it's brought by a US company..

..with zero sense of irony whatsoever.

Is it not lovely how Trump is a communist while Xi Jinping is capitalist ?