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Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:

Ghost Land wrote:I'm young enough to remember Vine and the whole stupid "nine plus ten" thing that actually got quite a few teenagers in my area legitimately thinking 9+10 equaled 21.

I wouldn't mind if this TikTok ban were to come to fruition. I've never used it myself, but I've seen other people use it and I've read enough about it to know this isn't too much of a loss really.

As someone who's going into 7th grade,I can agree that many of my classmates still think 9+10=21 is still a relevant ass meme,and since the majority (if not all) of them used TikTok,I can bet you $100 bucks if they all got super fucking pissed when this news came out. As I said through my puppet nation(The United Russian Commonwealth),my sisters have been using this shit since late 2019/when COVID-19 emerged,so if y'all can help my to try to convince them that that is spyware (like Google)I'll appreciate it.

You know the NationStates forum requires users to be at least 13, right?

Even the co-founder of Reddit refers to TikTok as spyware. Just from what I've seen of the app on other people's devices, each user's stream of videos they see is customized based on the videos they've watched already, which means TikTok is DEFINITELY collecting data as to who watches what video, and it's a great way to find yourself looking at a big echo chamber of similar and useless content.

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Xmara wrote:Part of me can't help but wonder if it has something to do with the teenagers who used TikTok to work together to buy a bunch of tickets to Trump's Oklahoma rally and then not show up.

Without a shadow of a doubt.

I only see the facets of right-wing conspiracy social media that get made fun of, but supposedly there's a few wacky folks around who think that kpop fans are agents of the North Korea government, out to get Trump.

Ghost Land wrote: Just from what I've seen of the app on other people's devices, each user's stream of videos they see is customized based on the videos they've watched already, which means TikTok is DEFINITELY collecting data as to who watches what video, and it's a great way to find yourself looking at a big echo chamber of similar and useless content.

Well, yes. That is how all such apps work. Heck, google works that way - it returns the results it thinks you want to see first. Hence why people end up in bubbles. But so do netflix, amazon, stores with loyalty cards etc. "You like this, therefor you may also like this".

So collecting data on what videos you watch on a videowatching app to determine what you may like is fine IMO. It is all the other things like location, contacts, other apps on your phone etc etc which I object being shared with governments, foreign or not.

Xmara wrote:Tbh I’ve never been interested in using TikTok, but now that Trump wants to ban it, I have the sudden urge to download it.

Do you want the Chinese communists to see your location (your phone’s location actually, but these days what’s the difference )

The Hindustani State wrote:

Xmara wrote:Tbh I’ve never been interested in using TikTok, but now that Trump wants to ban it, I have the sudden urge to download it.

Do you want the Chinese communists to see your location (your phone’s location actually, but these days what’s the difference )

Imagine turning on your phone's location at all.

The Hindustani State wrote:

Xmara wrote:Tbh I’ve never been interested in using TikTok, but now that Trump wants to ban it, I have the sudden urge to download it.

Do you want the Chinese communists to see your location (your phone’s location actually, but these days what’s the difference )

Of all the people who can determine the location of my phone, why would I be worried about Chinese communists in particular?

The Hindustani State wrote:

Xmara wrote:Tbh I’ve never been interested in using TikTok, but now that Trump wants to ban it, I have the sudden urge to download it.

Do you want the Chinese communists to see your location (your phone’s location actually, but these days what’s the difference )

I mean I am not thrilled with that but I am not all that worried. I aint got shit the PRC would want. If they want to see my fucking search history they can go ahead and traumatize themselves.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Ghost Land wrote: Just from what I've seen of the app on other people's devices, each user's stream of videos they see is customized based on the videos they've watched already, which means TikTok is DEFINITELY collecting data as to who watches what video, and it's a great way to find yourself looking at a big echo chamber of similar and useless content.

Well, yes. That is how all such apps work. Heck, google works that way - it returns the results it thinks you want to see first. Hence why people end up in bubbles. But so do netflix, amazon, stores with loyalty cards etc. "You like this, therefor you may also like this".

So collecting data on what videos you watch on a videowatching app to determine what you may like is fine IMO. It is all the other things like location, contacts, other apps on your phone etc etc which I object being shared with governments, foreign or not.

Let me take this opportunity to tell y'all about DuckDuckGo, which 100% doesn't steal your data. Download today.

Actually though, have you seen the Ts & Cs? They're longer than the Magna Carta (and I've seen it so I know it's true). They are definitely not to be trusted.

After hearing Microsoft is in talks to acquire TikTok, I kinda hope Microsoft gets another antitrust lawsuit thrown at it, just because the fallout would be hilarious.

Ghost Land wrote:

Luziyca wrote:They had one, it was called Vine, and it was not all that successful.

I'm young enough to remember Vine and the whole stupid "nine plus ten" thing that actually got quite a few teenagers in my area legitimately thinking 9+10 equaled 21.

I wouldn't mind if this TikTok ban were to come to fruition. I've never used it myself, but I've seen other people use it and I've read enough about it to know this isn't too much of a loss really.

That was funny, man. Don’t even diss.
Vine was jokes as well, prepubescent me was too much of a smartass to admit it

Purpelia wrote:By that logic he should ban google.

Which we absolutely should.

Ghost Land wrote:

Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:As someone who's going into 7th grade,I can agree that many of my classmates still think 9+10=21 is still a relevant ass meme,and since the majority (if not all) of them used TikTok,I can bet you $100 bucks if they all got super fucking pissed when this news came out. As I said through my puppet nation(The United Russian Commonwealth),my sisters have been using this shit since late 2019/when COVID-19 emerged,so if y'all can help my to try to convince them that that is spyware (like Google)I'll appreciate it.

You know the NationStates forum requires users to be at least 13, right?

Even the co-founder of Reddit refers to TikTok as spyware. Just from what I've seen of the app on other people's devices, each user's stream of videos they see is customized based on the videos they've watched already, which means TikTok is DEFINITELY collecting data as to who watches what video, and it's a great way to find yourself looking at a big echo chamber of similar and useless content.

My siblings are sadly one of them, they've gone down too far to be pulled out. Instead of looking into news articles and seeing for themselves if it is spyware or not,they get their opinions from TikTok, which is all the same shit over and over again. overall I'm damn sure that there is no video on their that shows evidence proving it is spyware (one redditor reversed engineered the app and found that the app was engineered to take data from you and give it to fuck knows who, found API that harvested data such as
*Phone hardware,such as CPU, memory usage,screen dimension
*Anything Network related,such as your IP,local IP,and the name of the WiFi access point
*If you've been rooted/jailbroken
Same thing was tried on Instagram, Facebook (of course would have that) reddit,and twitter,but not at the scale of TikTok)
Or the videos were taken down possibly for business reasons (the more of those exposé videos their are,less downloads their will be,which will equal to less money for them)


In other words,don't install it if you value privacy
Source time:
1.https://suggestionbuddy.com/tiktok-spy-app/
2.https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/202 ... 895825002/
3.https://www.vox.com/open-sourced/2019/1 ... estigation
4.https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 30426.html
5.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_I ... curity_Law
6.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concern ... s_networks
7.https://money.cnn.com/2018/04/05/news/e ... index.html
8.https://www.vox.com/open-sourced/2019/1 ... estigation
Yes I'm below the required age by a month

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Ironic that the Trump administration is so concerned about TikTok collecting personal data and information on Americans for the PRC yet most, if not all, major US tech companies and even the US government itself does the exact same thing. This is an utterly meaningless endeavor.

China is literally a more extreme version of every flaw the US has.

The US locks up peaceful protesters? China just plain murders them by the thousands.

The US recklessly endangers the working class? China does so to an extent that kills them by hundreds at a time.

The US pollutes? China does worse.

The US tries to keep Muslims out? China doesn't let them leave.

TikTok is not free speech. There is nothing you can say on TikTok you can't say elsewhere. TikTok use is treason. It is a form of aiding and abetting the enemy.

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Ironic that the Trump administration is so concerned about TikTok collecting personal data and information on Americans for the PRC yet most, if not all, major US tech companies and even the US government itself does the exact same thing. This is an utterly meaningless endeavor.

China is literally a more extreme version of every flaw the US has.

The US locks up peaceful protesters? China just plain murders them by the thousands.

The US recklessly endangers the working class? China does so to an extent that kills them by hundreds at a time.

The US pollutes? China does worse.

The US tries to keep Muslims out? China doesn't let them leave.

TikTok is not free speech. There is nothing you can say on TikTok you can't say elsewhere. TikTok use is treason. It is a form of aiding and abetting the enemy.

Well it seems I have committed treason then. Come lock me up old Donnie boy.

I'll be honest, I was always impressed how the Chinese managed to take the idea behind Vine and make an even worse version.

And nothing of value would be lost.

I always doubt Trump's sincerity and I definitely do now. Considering how tiktokers bought tickets to his Tulsa rally just so it would be half empty, it's very likely this egotistical brat we call the president is doing this just to get revenge against them for ruining his rally.

We know Trump. He's a vindictive and immature fool.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I always doubt Trump's sincerity and I definitely do now. Considering how tiktokers bought tickets to his Tulsa rally just so it would be half empty, it's very likely this egotistical brat we call the president is doing this just to get revenge against them for ruining his rally.

We know Trump. He's a vindictive and immature fool.

People can do the right thing even when they're doing it for the wrong reasons.

Ifreann wrote:

The Hindustani State wrote:Do you want the Chinese communists to see your location (your phone’s location actually, but these days what’s the difference )

Of all the people who can determine the location of my phone, why would I be worried about Chinese communists in particular?

You would want them to have it.

For a father who worked for the US dept of energy, his kid having it would be an issue

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I always doubt Trump's sincerity and I definitely do now. Considering how tiktokers bought tickets to his Tulsa rally just so it would be half empty, it's very likely this egotistical brat we call the president is doing this just to get revenge against them for ruining his rally.

We know Trump. He's a vindictive and immature fool.

People can do the right thing even when they're doing it for the wrong reasons.

Its not right though. It's bullshit peddled by the security state^tm just like Iraqi WMDs or the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Ironic that the Trump administration is so concerned about TikTok collecting personal data and information on Americans for the PRC yet most, if not all, major US tech companies and even the US government itself does the exact same thing. This is an utterly meaningless endeavor.

China is literally a more extreme version of every flaw the US has.

The US locks up peaceful protesters? China just plain murders them by the thousands.

The US recklessly endangers the working class? China does so to an extent that kills them by hundreds at a time.

The US pollutes? China does worse.

The US tries to keep Muslims out? China doesn't let them leave.

TikTok is not free speech. There is nothing you can say on TikTok you can't say elsewhere. TikTok use is treason. It is a form of aiding and abetting the enemy.

That does not make what Trump and his administration does right.

Nice whataboutism.

If only Trump knew how to actually wage economic war with China instead of make stupid platitudes and empty meaningless moves that do nothing to challenge China beyond annoying them (AND EVERY OTHER COUNTRY OUR ALLIES INCLUDED), this wouldn't be a problem.

But instead, his stupid idea is to block a stupid music app used by children?

Ghost Land wrote:

Federal Republic Of America And The Cari wrote:As someone who's going into 7th grade,I can agree that many of my classmates still think 9+10=21 is still a relevant ass meme,and since the majority (if not all) of them used TikTok,I can bet you $100 bucks if they all got super fucking pissed when this news came out. As I said through my puppet nation(The United Russian Commonwealth),my sisters have been using this shit since late 2019/when COVID-19 emerged,so if y'all can help my to try to convince them that that is spyware (like Google)I'll appreciate it.

You know the NationStates forum requires users to be at least 13, right?

Even the co-founder of Reddit refers to TikTok as spyware. Just from what I've seen of the app on other people's devices, each user's stream of videos they see is customized based on the videos they've watched already, which means TikTok is DEFINITELY collecting data as to who watches what video, and it's a great way to find yourself looking at a big echo chamber of similar and useless content.

Don't know why I see so much pro trump crap then, cause I sure as hell am no fan of the president.

The Hindustani State wrote:

Xmara wrote:Tbh I’ve never been interested in using TikTok, but now that Trump wants to ban it, I have the sudden urge to download it.

Do you want the Chinese communists to see your location (your phone’s location actually, but these days what’s the difference )

They probably already do. The people in our government saying tiktok is a Chinese psyop are the same people who told me covid wasn't a big deal, branded all black lives matter demonstrators as terrorists and anarchists and locked kids in cages at the border, and im supposed to believe them?

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Ironic that the Trump administration is so concerned about TikTok collecting personal data and information on Americans for the PRC yet most, if not all, major US tech companies and even the US government itself does the exact same thing. This is an utterly meaningless endeavor.

China is literally a more extreme version of every flaw the US has.

The US locks up peaceful protesters? China just plain murders them by the thousands.

The US recklessly endangers the working class? China does so to an extent that kills them by hundreds at a time.

The US pollutes? China does worse.

The US tries to keep Muslims out? China doesn't let them leave.

TikTok is not free speech. There is nothing you can say on TikTok you can't say elsewhere. TikTok use is treason. It is a form of aiding and abetting the enemy.

That sounds like something Mike Pompeo or John Bolton would say.

I haven't seen conclusive proof that tiktok is a chinese psyop. I have seen evidence that tiktok hurt the president's ego though, and he's known to lie and make crap up so he can go after people.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

Ghost Land wrote:You know the NationStates forum requires users to be at least 13, right?

Even the co-founder of Reddit refers to TikTok as spyware. Just from what I've seen of the app on other people's devices, each user's stream of videos they see is customized based on the videos they've watched already, which means TikTok is DEFINITELY collecting data as to who watches what video, and it's a great way to find yourself looking at a big echo chamber of similar and useless content.

Don't know why I see so much pro trump crap then, cause I sure as hell am no fan of the president.

Many people openly state they don't support him and yet vote for him.