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Postby Region of Dwipantara » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:31 am

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Free Republic of Hong Kong wrote:TikTok's effect in US economy are miniscule


His motive is not really the economy. He is after them simply because TikTok users outmaneuvered his best people.

Maybe, but the security concerns widely alleged by various government elements shouldn't be downplayed.

Wikipedia wrote:In January 2020, Check Point Research discovered a security flaw in TikTok which could have allowed hackers access to user accounts using SMS.[105] In February, Reddit CEO Steve Huffman criticised the app, calling it "spyware," and stating "I look at that app as so fundamentally parasitic, that it's always listening, the fingerprinting technology they use is truly terrifying, and I could not bring myself to install an app like that on my phone."[106][107] Responding to Huffman's comments, TikTok stated "These are baseless accusations made without a shred of evidence."[102] Wells Fargo banned the app from its devices due to privacy and security concerns.[108]

In May 2020, the Dutch Data Protection Authority announced an investigation into TikTok in relation to privacy protections for children.[109][110] In June 2020, the European Data Protection Board announced that it would assemble a task force to examine TikTok's user privacy and security practices.[111]

In January 2019, an investigation by the American think tank Peterson Institute for International Economics described TikTok as a "Huawei-sized problem" that posed a national security threat to the West,[112][113] noting the app's popularity with Western users. They included armed forces personnel and its alleged ability to convey location, image and biometric data to its Chinese parent company, which is legally unable to refuse to share data with the Chinese government under the China Internet Security Law.[113] Observers have also noted that ByteDance's founder and CEO Zhang Yiming issued a letter in 2018 stating that his company would "further deepen cooperation" with the ruling Chinese Communist Party to promote its policies.[114]

In November 2019, it was reported that the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States opened an investigation into ByteDance's acquisition of Musical.ly.[121] The same month, following a request by Senator Chuck Schumer, U.S. Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy agreed to assess the risks of using TikTok as a recruitment tool.[122][123] Senator Josh Hawley introduced the National Security and Personal Data Protection Act to prohibit TikTok's parent company and others from transferring personal data of Americans to China.[124] Senator Josh Hawley also introduced a bill to ban downloading and using TikTok on government devices because of national security concerns. In December 2019, the United States Navy as well as the U.S. Army banned TikTok from all government-issued devices.[125][126][127] The Transportation Security Administration also prohibited its personnel from posting on the platform for outreach purposes.[128][129] Following its prohibition by the U.S. military, the Australian Defence Force also banned TikTok on its devices.[130] Legislation was subsequently introduced in the U.S. Senate that would prohibit all federal employees from using or downloading TikTok.

The Democratic National Committee issued a warning to the Democratic campaigns, state parties, and committees to ensure that additional security measures are implemented while using TikTok, citing concerns regarding the application's spying nature.

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Postby Dollystana » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:38 am

Nuroblav wrote:Banning apps from foreign countries? This sounds familiar...

Much as I hate the mainstream side of TikTok (Alt TikTok is apparently better, although I've yet to see much of it), this is a sh*tty move on Trump's behalf, especially given the First Amendment and the fact that many US tech companies do it a lot as well. Like you, I'm neither a TikTok user or in the US, so this doesn't really concern me as such.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:53 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Free Republic of Hong Kong wrote:TikTok's effect in US economy are miniscule


His motive is not really the economy. He is after them simply because TikTok users outmaneuvered his best people.


That's dumb. No it isn't.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:00 am

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His motive is not really the economy. He is after them simply because TikTok users outmaneuvered his best people.


That's dumb. No it isn't.


*shrugs* Are businesses using TikTok? Are universites using tiktok? Is the military using tiktok?
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Postby Region of Dwipantara » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:06 am

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That's dumb. No it isn't.


*shrugs* Are businesses using TikTok? Are universites using tiktok? Is the military using tiktok?

For one, the military is banned from using them.
Senator Josh Hawley also introduced a bill to ban downloading and using TikTok on government devices because of national security concerns. In December 2019, the United States Navy as well as the U.S. Army banned TikTok from all government-issued devices.[125][126][127] The Transportation Security Administration also prohibited its personnel from posting on the platform for outreach purposes.[128][129] Following its prohibition by the U.S. military, the Australian Defence Force also banned TikTok on its devices.[130] Legislation was subsequently introduced in the U.S. Senate that would prohibit all federal employees from using or downloading TikTok.

Also, it's not like there are a team of party officials to review a billion videos of cringeworthy teens one by one. All available data will most likely be fed to a somekind of self-learning AI, and from there the team can do what their party bosses have told them to do.
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Postby Organized States » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:08 am

Region of Dwipantara wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
*shrugs* Are businesses using TikTok? Are universites using tiktok? Is the military using tiktok?

For one, the military is banned from using them.
Senator Josh Hawley also introduced a bill to ban downloading and using TikTok on government devices because of national security concerns. In December 2019, the United States Navy as well as the U.S. Army banned TikTok from all government-issued devices.[125][126][127] The Transportation Security Administration also prohibited its personnel from posting on the platform for outreach purposes.[128][129] Following its prohibition by the U.S. military, the Australian Defence Force also banned TikTok on its devices.[130] Legislation was subsequently introduced in the U.S. Senate that would prohibit all federal employees from using or downloading TikTok.

Also, it's not like there are a team of party officials to review a billion videos of cringeworthy teens one by one. All available data will most likely be fed to a somekind of self-learning AI, and from there the team can do what their party bosses have told them to do.

We're prohibited from it on Government devices. Personal devices are currently fine.
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Organized States wrote:
Region of Dwipantara wrote:For one, the military is banned from using them.

Also, it's not like there are a team of party officials to review a billion videos of cringeworthy teens one by one. All available data will most likely be fed to a somekind of self-learning AI, and from there the team can do what their party bosses have told them to do.

We're prohibited from it on Government devices. Personal devices are currently fine.

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Organized States wrote:We're prohibited from it on Government devices. Personal devices are currently fine.

Well not anymore

Not yet. We haven't received any guidance from anyone as to our ability to use it on personal devices.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:17 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
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That's dumb. No it isn't.


*shrugs* Are businesses using TikTok? Are universites using tiktok? Is the military using tiktok?

We’ve been barred from having it on any corporate device since... February I think? Contractors who use their own devices are also barred from having it on any of their devices that access our systems.

Basically, it’s a security nightmare.
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*shrugs* Are businesses using TikTok? Are universites using tiktok? Is the military using tiktok?

We’ve been barred from having it on any corporate device since... February I think? Contractors who use their own devices are also barred from having it on any of their devices that access our systems.

Basically, it’s a security nightmare.

Totally is, but I think we're spooking ourselves if we're convinced we're not able to mitigate the security effects.
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Postby Andsed » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:14 pm

Eh, this is just more shitboasting from Trump. I highly doubt anything will really come from this. I still use Tiktok and nothing has really changed yet.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:18 pm

Galloism wrote:
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*shrugs* Are businesses using TikTok? Are universites using tiktok? Is the military using tiktok?

We’ve been barred from having it on any corporate device since... February I think? Contractors who use their own devices are also barred from having it on any of their devices that access our systems.

Basically, it’s a security nightmare.


Never suggested it was safe. Just saying Trump is probably not as motivated for security reasons as they would like us to believe. He is all about TV. TV has been reporting TikTok users and kpop fans really stuck it to him on that rally.

The problem with security is the youngins don’t seem to care. Social media does a great deal of information gathering if pointed out, “I don’t care” seems to be the response.

Anyway. I am sure one quick donation or something shiny and trump will back off.
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His motive is not really the economy. He is after them simply because TikTok users outmaneuvered his best people.


That's dumb. No it isn't.

Based on my impression of Trump through his social media activity, it wouldn't be beneath him.
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Postby Lanoraie II » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:23 pm

So I don't have to hear zoomers rave about it anymore? Cool. Vine was better.

That being said it's very hypocritical considering Facebook, Twitter, Google....well, considering pretty much every popular website is still a thing.
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The Black Forrest wrote:
Galloism wrote:We’ve been barred from having it on any corporate device since... February I think? Contractors who use their own devices are also barred from having it on any of their devices that access our systems.

Basically, it’s a security nightmare.


Never suggested it was safe. Just saying Trump is probably not as motivated for security reasons as they would like us to believe. He is all about TV. TV has been reporting TikTok users and kpop fans really stuck it to him on that rally.

The problem with security is the youngins don’t seem to care. Social media does a great deal of information gathering if pointed out, “I don’t care” seems to be the response.

Anyway. I am sure one quick donation or something shiny and trump will back off.

Who bloody cares what his motives are? Who bloody cares about his reasoning? TikTok is dangerous and should be banned for whatever reason
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Postby Xmara » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:00 pm

Tbh I’ve never been interested in using TikTok, but now that Trump wants to ban it, I have the sudden urge to download it.
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Nuroblav wrote:Perhaps their goals are beyond our understanding


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I could care less about this. Although it's ironic that other companies aka home brand are allowed to spy on the people
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Postby Solvokina » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:04 pm

Xmara wrote:Tbh I’ve never been interested in using TikTok, but now that Trump wants to ban it, I have the sudden urge to download it.

If you aren't as technologically aware as me, you wouldn't care about data harvesting as you are anonymous and won't have a way to get into your personal life. If you aren't have fun
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They had one, it was called Vine, and it was not all that successful.

I'm young enough to remember Vine and the whole stupid "nine plus ten" thing that actually got quite a few teenagers in my area legitimately thinking 9+10 equaled 21. :roll:

I wouldn't mind if this TikTok ban were to come to fruition. I've never used it myself, but I've seen other people use it and I've read enough about it to know this isn't too much of a loss really.
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Postby Region of Dwipantara » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:24 pm

Solvokina wrote:I could care less about this. Although it's ironic that other companies aka home brand are allowed to spy on the people

I mean, when things really get out of hand, the govt still have the power to whack naughty Big Techs through regulations. Zuckerberg for example was dragged to the Senate after the Cambridge Analytica fiasco. With the PRC however, it's another story entirely.
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Luziyca wrote:They had one, it was called Vine, and it was not all that successful.

I'm young enough to remember Vine and the whole stupid "nine plus ten" thing that actually got quite a few teenagers in my area legitimately thinking 9+10 equaled 21. :roll:

I wouldn't mind if this TikTok ban were to come to fruition. I've never used it myself, but I've seen other people use it and I've read enough about it to know this isn't too much of a loss really.

As someone who's going into 7th grade,I can agree that many of my classmates still think 9+10=21 is still a relevant ass meme,and since the majority (if not all) of them used TikTok,I can bet you $100 bucks if they all got super fucking pissed when this news came out. As I said through my puppet nation(The United Russian Commonwealth),my sisters have been using this shit since late 2019/when COVID-19 emerged,so if y'all can help my to try to convince them that that is spyware (like Google)I'll appreciate it.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:37 pm

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Solvokina wrote:I could care less about this. Although it's ironic that other companies aka home brand are allowed to spy on the people

I mean, when things really get out of hand, the govt still have the power to whack naughty Big Techs through regulations. Zuckerberg for example was dragged to the Senate after the Cambridge Analytica fiasco. With the PRC however, it's another story entirely.


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Postby Nuroblav » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:21 am

Costa Fierro wrote:The actual answer is "nothing whatsoever."

That as well
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