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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:51 am

Though there is also the question of how long any current social media sensation last for - it doesn't seem very long to me before they disappear to be replaced by something else.
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Postby Purpelia » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:53 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Though there is also the question of how long any current social media sensation last for - it doesn't seem very long to me before they disappear to be replaced by something else.

It's a tossup. Facebook has survived for like a decade but MySpace is basically gone. These things just pop up and die seemingly at random.
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Postby Thepeopl » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:23 am

Did Tic Toc sponsor Trump?
This is great "marketing". If they are this evil that Trump wants to "ban" them, a lot of ppl who aren't yet on TicToc
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Postby Fulgornia » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:33 am

Trump should ban twitter next. Cant let those zoomers find a new place to infest with their radical ideologies like basic human rights and dabbing. ;P

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Postby Purpelia » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:33 am

Fulgornia wrote:Trump should ban twitter next. Cant let those zoomers find a new place to infest with their radical ideologies like basic human rights and dabbing. ;P

Trump should make america join the GDPR. That way nobody could spy on you and sell it on to the highest bidder.
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Postby -Astoria- » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:40 am

Purpelia wrote:
Fulgornia wrote:Trump should ban twitter next. Cant let those zoomers find a new place to infest with their radical ideologies like basic human rights and dabbing. ;P

Trump should make america join the GDPR. That way nobody could spy on you and sell it on to the highest bidder.
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Postby Nuroblav » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:42 am

Fulgornia wrote:Trump should ban twitter next. Cant let those zoomers find a new place to infest with their radical ideologies like basic human rights and dabbing. ;P

Dabbing is thankfully long gone.
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Postby -Astoria- » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:45 am

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Fulgornia wrote:Trump should ban twitter next. Cant let those zoomers find a new place to infest with their radical ideologies like basic human rights and dabbing. ;P

Dabbing is thankfully long gone.
...to be replaced by Fortnite "dances".
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Postby Nuroblav » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:53 am

-Astoria- wrote:...to be replaced by Fortnite "dances".

Which are also dead.
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Perhaps their goals are beyond our understanding
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Postby Region of Dwipantara » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:57 am

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-Astoria- wrote:...to be replaced by Fortnite "dances".

Which are also dead.
Costa Fierro wrote:Quite what the Chinese government wants with several hundred thousand videos of teenage girls doing the Renegade is beyond me.

Perhaps their goals are beyond our understanding

Considering that the commie nerds will just feed the data to their self-learning AIs, this is probably accurate.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:38 am

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More than half the users are in China. It's named something else there (Douyin). Market price, which the US isn't getting a huge discount on, is based on twice the users TikTok will actually still have when owned by the US.

You imported something from China. And payed extra for it. Smart move?


Douyin is separate from TikTok. Although owned by the same company the operate separately. Store their data separately.

TikTok is actually prohibited from being used in the PRC despite being PRC owned because although it censors some content, not enough for the PRC government. Also TikTok at least allegedly stores its data in the US and Singapore, which social media operating in the PRC cannot do, they must store it in the PRC.

And the second part is just ridiculous.
It is not an imported good, not something you sell once than lose control of. It generates ongoing money for you. And why the hell would Microsoft buy it for more than it is worth?

Given the India ban, (which might be lifted once TikTok becomes a US company) it is can generate more value for Microsoft than it can for ByteDance.

Microsoft is not doing this for the good of the US geopolitical position, the fact the US benefits politically is not their concern. They are doing it because they can buy a distressed asset on the cheap and quickly turn it around.

We benefit but that is not Microsoft’s main concern. Someone does not have to intend to help you to help you.

And the US government pays nothing, basically getting some control over it for free.

Everyone gains except ByteDance, who gets hammered.

It is a very smart move. You just do not want to admit the US sometimes wins, and the PRC sometimes loses.


No, I don't want to admit that big corporations can call on the US government, and with their help loot smaller corporations.

And I hope it doesn't turn out that way. Microsoft and other big tech have a reputation for buying out smaller competitors for no purpose other than shutting them down. They take whatever profits still seep in from the shrinking user-base, deliberately fail to reinvest or update the service, then it sells to some other sucker for a tenth of what the predator corporation paid. They might even make their money back, but it doesn't matter to them. "Why would Microsoft pay more than it's worth" jeez, you seem entirely ignorant of the history of Microsoft.

There's a few new billionaires in China. US corporations with US govt help, made it so. And who pays? TikTok users in the US.

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Postby Free Republic of Hong Kong » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:27 am

As a proud Joe Biden supporter. This is only the right thing Trump has done
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Free Republic of Hong Kong wrote:As a proud Joe Biden supporter. This is only the right thing Trump has done
We couldn't trust China with sensitive information.As with protests in HK, China cannot be trusted due to it's authoritarian nature and China is now trying a new dystopia for it's citizens.Never trust China!


Trump could have just blocked it. Then it would lose all the US customers, pure economic destruction which no American, nor any American corporation, nor the American government ... would have to pay for.

But I guess temporary presidents can't make permanent solutions ...
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Postby Free Republic of Hong Kong » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:42 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Free Republic of Hong Kong wrote:As a proud Joe Biden supporter. This is only the right thing Trump has done
We couldn't trust China with sensitive information.As with protests in HK, China cannot be trusted due to it's authoritarian nature and China is now trying a new dystopia for it's citizens.Never trust China!


Trump could have just blocked it. Then it would lose all the US customers, pure economic destruction which no American, nor any American corporation, nor the American government ... would have to pay for.

But I guess temporary presidents can't make permanent solutions ...

TikTok's effect in US economy are miniscule
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:44 am

Free Republic of Hong Kong wrote:
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Trump could have just blocked it. Then it would lose all the US customers, pure economic destruction which no American, nor any American corporation, nor the American government ... would have to pay for.

But I guess temporary presidents can't make permanent solutions ...

TikTok's effect in US economy are miniscule


Its effect on US data security was minuscule too!
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Postby Kannap » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:59 am

Fulgornia wrote:Trump should ban twitter next. Cant let those zoomers find a new place to infest with their radical ideologies like basic human rights and dabbing. ;P


Trump won't ban Twitter, he'd have nothing to do all day.
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Postby Aureumterra » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:37 am

Fulgornia wrote:Trump should ban twitter next. Cant let those zoomers find a new place to infest with their radical ideologies like basic human rights and dabbing. ;P

Zoomers use twitter?
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Postby Xmara » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:42 am

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Fulgornia wrote:Trump should ban twitter next. Cant let those zoomers find a new place to infest with their radical ideologies like basic human rights and dabbing. ;P


Trump won't ban Twitter, he'd have nothing to do all day.

He’d probably then switch to another social media site.

Imagine if he chose Reddit or Tumblr. I feel like that would be hilarious.
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Postby Atheris » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:42 am

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Trump won't ban Twitter, he'd have nothing to do all day.

He’d probably then switch to another social media site.

Imagine if he chose Reddit or Tumblr. I feel like that would be hilarious.

I really wanna see Trump on tumblr.
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Kannap wrote:
Trump won't ban Twitter, he'd have nothing to do all day.

He’d probably then switch to another social media site.

Imagine if he chose Reddit or Tumblr. I feel like that would be hilarious.

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Xmara wrote:He’d probably then switch to another social media site.

Imagine if he chose Reddit or Tumblr. I feel like that would be hilarious.

4chan

OMG that would be scary
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:19 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Xmara wrote:He’d probably then switch to another social media site.

Imagine if he chose Reddit or Tumblr. I feel like that would be hilarious.

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Hmmmm? Actually Trump would do well on 4chan. He would fit right in.
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Free Republic of Hong Kong wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Trump could have just blocked it. Then it would lose all the US customers, pure economic destruction which no American, nor any American corporation, nor the American government ... would have to pay for.

But I guess temporary presidents can't make permanent solutions ...

TikTok's effect in US economy are miniscule


Is it ? TikTok has managed to make the president of the USA look pathetic with half empty rallies.
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Postby Organized States » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:39 am

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Free Republic of Hong Kong wrote:TikTok's effect in US economy are miniscule


Its effect on US data security was minuscule too!

To a certain extent, Tiktok's data security policies did make it a no-go for most of us affiliated, serving, or employed with any Federal agencies, particularly those dealing with national security and foreign policy.

Outside of the Federal Government and other sensitive institutions, I really didn't think it was that big a deal. Microsoft was going to buy it anyways.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:42 am

Free Republic of Hong Kong wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Trump could have just blocked it. Then it would lose all the US customers, pure economic destruction which no American, nor any American corporation, nor the American government ... would have to pay for.

But I guess temporary presidents can't make permanent solutions ...

TikTok's effect in US economy are miniscule


His motive is not really the economy. He is after them simply because TikTok users outmaneuvered his best people.
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