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Postby Heloin » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:15 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Heloin wrote:Zimbabwe has been returning White owned farms as well. The selfish reason the government is doing that is to encourage whites back to boost the agricultural sector which has worked to some extent, last year there were some 300 white farmers compared to over a 1000 now and growing. It's why the compensation doesn't extend to land stolen since that's a separate process that's ongoing. The country is in free fall and needs sanctions to end, this will hopefully end sanctions and put them back on good standing with the more valuable trading partners of the USA, UK, and EU since China has done it's best to alienate African nations in the last year.


That sounds reasonable, though the question still stands, who is going to subscribe to the bond?

Aside from international organisations that see this as a relatively cheap way to get a foot in the door for a country with cheap labour and a low standard of living. There's the American and British governments who have put the pressure on Zimbabwe for 20 years to do something like this, and it gives them a way back into central Africa that China has been trying to cut them off from. China would also like to increase goodwill with Zimbabwe again.

Also White Racists, which is an annoying group to get support from but hey, they're rarely clever enough to realise that we don't like them.
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Postby Atheris » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:18 pm

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Heloin wrote:The Powhatans.


I wouldn't categorize it as an invasion, and even if it was, treaties were made. And I already said that treaties should not have been broken. Still wouldn't make it right to evict the citizens who live in Virginia and give it to Powhatani descendants.

Which is not what compensating Amerindians would do.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:19 pm

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Heloin wrote:The Powhatans.


I wouldn't categorize it as an invasion, and even if it was, treaties were made. And I already said that treaties should not have been broken.

Then you have no idea what you're talking about. Have a good day.

Still wouldn't make it right to evict the citizens who live in Virginia and give it to Powhatani descendants.

The funny thing is your the only one talking about it.
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Postby Ammostan » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:29 pm

Maybe compensation wouldn't include eviction, but it would include tax money right? That's my point, tying back to the original topic. You're taking something from people who had nothing to do with it, to give it to people who it wasn't done to.

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Postby Andsed » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:31 pm

Ammostan wrote:Maybe compensation wouldn't include eviction, but it would include tax money right? That's my point, tying back to the original topic. You're taking something from people who had nothing to do with it, to give it to people who it wasn't done to.

Plenty of Natives still suffer to this day. In particular the living conditions at reservations are fucking horrendous and comparable to that of a third world country. Investing in those is the least we can do.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:34 pm

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Ammostan wrote:Maybe compensation wouldn't include eviction, but it would include tax money right? That's my point, tying back to the original topic. You're taking something from people who had nothing to do with it, to give it to people who it wasn't done to.

Plenty of Natives still suffer to this day. In particular the living conditions at reservations are fucking horrendous and comparable to that of a third world country. Investing in those is the least we can do.


Absolutely but that is a different topic. Actually we had a thread on this, in which I laid out a multi point plan to resolve some of the problems reservations face.

The issue in Zimbabwe is entirely different.
It is about practicality more than ethics. We are not starving as a country because some of the reservations are in very poor shape.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:34 pm

Ammostan wrote:Maybe compensation wouldn't include eviction, but it would include tax money right? That's my point, tying back to the original topic. You're taking something from people who had nothing to do with it, to give it to people who it wasn't done to.

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Postby Dangine » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:47 pm

I hope this is a new beginning for Zimbabwe. It's a shame that this will not get as much attention as we have COVID going on.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:51 pm

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Qihein wrote:We should go by Zimbabwe's example of compensation and properly compensate Native Americans.


Amen !!

I once again ask to everyone thinking this is a good idea, how you plan to carry that out?
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Postby Ammostan » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:55 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ammostan wrote:Maybe compensation wouldn't include eviction, but it would include tax money right? That's my point, tying back to the original topic. You're taking something from people who had nothing to do with it, to give it to people who it wasn't done to.

That's not how taxes work.


Uhh, that's exactly how taxes work. Where do you think the government gets it's money?

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Postby Ammostan » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:58 pm

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Ammostan wrote:Maybe compensation wouldn't include eviction, but it would include tax money right? That's my point, tying back to the original topic. You're taking something from people who had nothing to do with it, to give it to people who it wasn't done to.

Plenty of Natives still suffer to this day. In particular the living conditions at reservations are fucking horrendous and comparable to that of a third world country. Investing in those is the least we can do.


What does that have to do with me and why should I pay to fix it?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:01 pm

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Andsed wrote:Plenty of Natives still suffer to this day. In particular the living conditions at reservations are fucking horrendous and comparable to that of a third world country. Investing in those is the least we can do.


What does that have to do with me and why should I pay to fix it?


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Postby Andsed » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:07 pm

Ammostan wrote:
Andsed wrote:Plenty of Natives still suffer to this day. In particular the living conditions at reservations are fucking horrendous and comparable to that of a third world country. Investing in those is the least we can do.


What does that have to do with me and why should I pay to fix it?

Your tax money is already going to a variety of things that having nothing to do with you. The government sending aid to the reservations(who quite frankly need it) is not that big of a deal. And honestly it is doubtful you would even have to pay that much more in taxes if the government did actually start compensating the native.

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Postby Post War America » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:13 pm

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Very High IQ wrote:Who is advocating for this


You find comments like that all over every social media platform when the topic comes up. It's crazy that anyone would even suggest it. You can't rectify theft with more theft.


It isn't theft though, SCOTUS has outright stated that at the barest minimum, the Black Hills were seized illegally. Therefore non-indigenous persons owning it are doing so under false pretenses, IE, its not really theirs to begin with.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:28 pm

Native Americans are not the topic, despite some reductionist similarities (both lost land) the situations are dramatically different.

Zimbabwe is a very different situation.

Especially that Mugabe and his criminal cronies are still alive, and forcing them to give back the land they personally stole is perfectly justified.

Mugabe seized the farms and then gave many to himself or his cronies which is much easier to reverse, because forcing them to give back what they personally stole is quite different than dealing with things that happened over a century ago.
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Postby Suid-Afrika and Rhodesia » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:29 pm

If white farmers want to return and risk being murdered by the locals
Like in South Africa. Or trust the Zimbabwean government for protection
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Postby Heloin » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:40 pm

Suid-Afrika and Rhodesia wrote:If white farmers want to return and risk being murdered by the locals
Like in South Africa. Or trust the Zimbabwean government for protection
They are Mad.

Sure matey.
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Zimbabwe Agrees to Compensate White Farmers

Postby Deacarsia » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:44 pm

This is good.
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Postby Suid-Afrika and Rhodesia » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:52 pm

Heloin wrote:
Suid-Afrika and Rhodesia wrote:If white farmers want to return and risk being murdered by the locals
Like in South Africa. Or trust the Zimbabwean government for protection
They are Mad.

Sure matey.


Well what's probaly going to happen if white farmers return and restore the agricultural industry to pre bush war standards
They will likely become one of the richest groups in the country. Then the Marxist Roots of Zimbabwe will resurface and then the White Farmers will likely be slaughtered and kicked out again.
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Postby Anti Defense League » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:27 pm

Qihein wrote:We should go by Zimbabwe's example of compensation and properly compensate Native Americans.


I support autonomous republics upon a federal basis, but we already regularly compensate them based upon welfare numbers and the like. With autonomous republics, however, they could more effectively use the resources on their lands to their benefits. Oil? Cool, now X-tribe gets, say, 20% commission.

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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:51 pm

Anti Defense League wrote:
Qihein wrote:We should go by Zimbabwe's example of compensation and properly compensate Native Americans.


I support autonomous republics upon a federal basis, but we already regularly compensate them based upon welfare numbers and the like. With autonomous republics, however, they could more effectively use the resources on their lands to their benefits. Oil? Cool, now X-tribe gets, say, 20% commission.

This is actually feasible to a degree, other people have literally supported “giving land back to native Americans” and somehow go offline whenever pressed about how they plan on doing so
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Postby Heloin » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:03 pm

Suid-Afrika and Rhodesia wrote:
Heloin wrote:Sure matey.


Well what's probaly going to happen if white farmers return and restore the agricultural industry to pre bush war standards
They will likely become one of the richest groups in the country. Then the Marxist Roots of Zimbabwe will resurface and then the White Farmers will likely be slaughtered and kicked out again.

I always enjoy white racists from overseas telling me how my country works. There's always the fetishisation of Rhodesia mixed in with something about race relations that seem to always run contrary to the actual relations in Zimbabwe. Like the land seizures were actually some sort of grass root black rebellion and not a desperate attempt by a dictator to find a scapegoat that actually failed to impress the majority of the population.
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Postby Ammostan » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:09 pm

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What does that have to do with me and why should I pay to fix it?


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You're missing my point. I'm not saying I WOULDN'T pay for those things, charity is indeed a noble virtue. I'm saying that I am not responsible for any alleged theft and I'm asking why I should be FORCED to pay for something that the GOVERNMENT did wrong?

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Postby Anti Defense League » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:14 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Anti Defense League wrote:
I support autonomous republics upon a federal basis, but we already regularly compensate them based upon welfare numbers and the like. With autonomous republics, however, they could more effectively use the resources on their lands to their benefits. Oil? Cool, now X-tribe gets, say, 20% commission.

This is actually feasible to a degree, other people have literally supported “giving land back to native Americans” and somehow go offline whenever pressed about how they plan on doing so


What my plan would be?

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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:42 pm

Heloin wrote:
Suid-Afrika and Rhodesia wrote:
Well what's probaly going to happen if white farmers return and restore the agricultural industry to pre bush war standards
They will likely become one of the richest groups in the country. Then the Marxist Roots of Zimbabwe will resurface and then the White Farmers will likely be slaughtered and kicked out again.

I always enjoy white racists from overseas telling me how my country works. There's always the fetishisation of Rhodesia mixed in with something about race relations that seem to always run contrary to the actual relations in Zimbabwe. Like the land seizures were actually some sort of grass root black rebellion and not a desperate attempt by a dictator to find a scapegoat that actually failed to impress the majority of the population.


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