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Should all cars be designed to be remotely shut off?
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:40 amby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qjd7 ... s-pandemicSo basically, people with no regard for their own survival
or each other's survival are engaging in illegal street racing. We could prosecute people for this but I'm not sure what the legal system can to to "deter" people who seem to think illegal street racing is literally to die for. (Either that or they've BSed themselves into thinking it won't kill them like it's killed other people, in which case they could BS themselves into thinking they wouldn't get prosecuted either.) Obviously the emphasis must be on prevention. But the cops can't be everywhere at once.
Why not just equip all cars with devices that would allow law enforcement to remotely shut them off if there's reason to believe they're engaging in illegal street racing? Yes, I can see how law enforcement could misuse it. But right now it's the lack thereof that's being misused. As well, you could make it a felony for cops to misuse such technology and prosecution of such cops mandatory; it would be more effective to "deter" a walk of life that is (sometimes) known to be deterred by consequences than to deter a breed of criminal that is not known for being deterred.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:44 amby Vassenor
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qjd7wp/street-racers-are-tearing-up-empty-roads-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic
So basically, people with no regard for their own survival
or each other's survival are engaging in illegal street racing. We could prosecute people for this but I'm not sure what the legal system can to to "deter" people who seem to think illegal street racing is literally to die for. (Either that or they've BSed themselves into thinking it won't kill them like it's killed other people, in which case they could BS themselves into thinking they wouldn't get prosecuted either.) Obviously the emphasis must be on prevention. But the cops can't be everywhere at once.
Why not just equip all cars with devices that would allow law enforcement to remotely shut them off if there's reason to believe they're engaging in illegal street racing? Yes, I can see how law enforcement could misuse it. But right now it's the lack thereof that's being misused. As well, you could make it a felony for cops to misuse such technology and prosecution of such cops mandatory; it would be more effective to "deter" a walk of life that is (sometimes) known to be deterred by consequences than to deter a breed of criminal that is not known for being deterred.
Given the amount of shit the police already do that's technically illegal for them to do? Do you really think that's going to deter them?
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:45 amby Kowani
Hahahahahahhaha
No. Absolutely not.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:55 amby Rusozak
That just opens a doorway for hackers maliciously tampering with cars remotely.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:57 amby Novus America
Rusozak wrote:That just opens a doorway for hackers maliciously tampering with cars remotely.
Plus street racers would probably just disable the function anyways.
They already disable speed governing chips and the like.
Better alternatives include more legal drag strips, and simply enforcing the laws already in place.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:59 amby Nuroblav
That does indeed have the potential of being abused by those in power. Even if there's that big of a concern, then surely there's better ways than enforced shut-offs.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:02 amby Thermodolia
Fucking hell no.
Also didn’t we already have this thread or something similar before?
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:03 amby San Lumen
absolutely not. what is with all this dictatorial proposals?
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:04 amby Galloism
Novus America wrote:Rusozak wrote:That just opens a doorway for hackers maliciously tampering with cars remotely.
Plus street racers would probably just disable the function anyways.
They already disable speed governing chips and the like.
Better alternatives include more legal drag strips, and simply enforcing the laws already in place.
We could create free drag strips for people to race their cars, not unlike our "clean needles" programs.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:04 amby Andsed
Nah. Far to much potential to be misused.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:05 amby An Alan Smithee Nation
I bet all autonomous vehicles, or vehicles with an autonomous mode, will be have a remote kill switch.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:05 amby Thermodolia
Galloism wrote:Novus America wrote:Plus street racers would probably just disable the function anyways.
They already disable speed governing chips and the like.
Better alternatives include more legal drag strips, and simply enforcing the laws already in place.
We could create free drag strips for people to race their cars, not unlike our "clean needles" programs.
I feel like this is an option in an NS issue.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:08 amby Grinning Dragon
NO
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:13 amby Nuroblav
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:14 amby Novus America
Thermodolia wrote:Galloism wrote:We could create free drag strips for people to race their cars, not unlike our "clean needles" programs.
I feel like this is an option in an NS issue.
I think it was, although it sounds it might have an IRL application.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:15 amby Galloism
Thermodolia wrote:Galloism wrote:We could create free drag strips for people to race their cars, not unlike our "clean needles" programs.
I feel like this is an option in an NS issue.
I call it the "Safe Streets" program. You can't argue against someone who has a program titled "Safe Streets".
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:19 amby Dresderstan
How about no.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:21 amby La Paz de Los Ricos
Suppose some quack get his hands on the remote shut-off for half the cars in New York or Los Angeles during rush hour?
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:24 amby Esternial
I reckon it probably won't take long for street racers to find ways around this, if it were ever actually implemented.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:26 amby Proctopeo
That sounds like a horrible idea. Same with built-in speed limiters and whatever other stupid ideas that people in charge like to come up with.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 amby The New California Republic
No. Terrible idea. It'd only be a matter of time before the shutdown method was leaked on the net, and then you have a situation where trolls are randomly turning car engines off for shits and giggles.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:32 amby Grinning Dragon
The New California Republic wrote:No.
Terrible idea. It'd only be a matter of time before the shutdown method was leaked on the net, and then you have a situation where trolls are randomly turning car engines off for shits and giggles.
Might come in handy when parents are out of town and the youngin's throw a kegger only to find out mom and dad are on their way home, kill their car, have enough time to shoo party goers out the door and clean up.
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:33 amby Thermodolia
The New California Republic wrote:No.
Terrible idea. It'd only be a matter of time before the shutdown method was leaked on the net, and then you have a situation where trolls are randomly turning car engines off for shits and giggles.
Or worse for revenge
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:33 amby Glorious Hong Kong
La Paz de Los Ricos wrote:Suppose some quack get his hands on the remote shut-off for half the cars in New York or Los Angeles during rush hour?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGhLykstBmAFor a real-life example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK0SrxBC1xs
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:36 amby Esternial
Proctopeo wrote:That sounds like a horrible idea. Same with built-in speed limiters and whatever other stupid ideas that people in charge like to come up with.
Dunno, the alcohol lock might have its uses.