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Ifreann wrote:

Drongonia wrote:Many countries have talked of or enacted election delays, and the only one people dislike is the US because Trump bad.

It's almost like Trump is a massively and obviously corrupt person and people don't trust him to illegally delay an election for any reason except to keep himself in power.

Unified German-State wrote:

Ifreann wrote:There is nothing rational about your fears. Mail-in voting already happens routinely. It is not a new, never before tried idea, conceived purely for this election.

Literally don't care dweeb, voting is for chumps anyways.

Ifreann wrote:It's almost like Trump is a massively and obviously corrupt person and people don't trust him to illegally delay an election for any reason except to keep himself in power.

Ifreann wrote:

Drongonia wrote:Vassenor coming in with the big-brain "source?" response already. It's only logical that the mailing system for ANYTHING is bound to be less reliable than literally handling it to the person meant to receive it.

But that's not how voting in person works. You don't vote in the count centre and hand your ballot to the person who's going to count it.

Bear Stearns wrote:That just sounds like paranoid fearmongering from idiots.

Drongonia wrote:

Ifreann wrote:But that's not how voting in person works. You don't vote in the count centre and hand your ballot to the person who's going to count it.

No, you don't. But the processes in place are better and more streamlined than the postal service.

Drongonia wrote:

Bear Stearns wrote:Haven't several European countries delayed elections because of the pandemic and everything went fine?

Several US states delayed their primary elections already. Where did people think this was all heading?

Many countries have talked of or enacted election delays, and the only one people dislike is the US because Trump bad.

Bear Stearns wrote:Haven't several European countries delayed elections because of the pandemic and everything went fine?

Several US states delayed their primary elections already. Where did people think this was all heading?

Drongonia wrote:

Vassenor wrote:Let's see the data then.

Vassenor coming in with the big-brain "source?" response already. It's only logical that the mailing system for ANYTHING is bound to be less reliable than literally handling it to the person meant to receive it. Not to mention all of the other people in this thread saying "haha idiot half the states already do it" as if that's meant to make it a good thing. Also, I don't know about the US, but other secure things such as IDs, passports and so on which are mailed to people are usually handled by couriers, not by just popping it in the post box (where I live, I should say).

Another thing is that I've seen the figure being thrown around that approximately 3% of mail getting lost in the system. 3% could literally swing an entire election. Even if its half of that, hell even if its a tenth, the entire election would be completely invalidated.

I don't actually support or care for democracy, but if you people really do - why would you rally in favour of a method of voting that increases the chances of leading to a tarnished outcome? Even if that increase in chance is minute, it still renders the process and thus the result, impure and invalid. Oh that's right, because Trump bad. No, I don't support Trump either but that's a whole other thread.

Ifreann wrote:

Drongonia wrote:No, you don't. But the processes in place are better and more streamlined than the postal service.

So the government can be trusted to transport votes from the various polling places to the count centres, but can't be trusted to transport mail-in votes?

Picairn wrote:

Bear Stearns wrote:That just sounds like paranoid fearmongering from idiots.

Have you been living under a rock? Trump suppressed a peaceful protest to get a photo op, the kind of thing that only happens in tin pot dictatorships.

No State Here wrote:He can’t. /thread

Bear Stearns wrote:

Drongonia wrote:Many countries have talked of or enacted election delays, and the only one people dislike is the US because Trump bad.

Really makes you think

Drongonia wrote:

Bear Stearns wrote:Haven't several European countries delayed elections because of the pandemic and everything went fine?

Several US states delayed their primary elections already. Where did people think this was all heading?

Many countries have talked of or enacted election delays, and the only one people dislike is the US because Trump bad.

Vassenor wrote:

Drongonia wrote:Vassenor coming in with the big-brain "source?" response already. It's only logical that the mailing system for ANYTHING is bound to be less reliable than literally handling it to the person meant to receive it. Not to mention all of the other people in this thread saying "haha idiot half the states already do it" as if that's meant to make it a good thing. Also, I don't know about the US, but other secure things such as IDs, passports and so on which are mailed to people are usually handled by couriers, not by just popping it in the post box (where I live, I should say).

Another thing is that I've seen the figure being thrown around that approximately 3% of mail getting lost in the system. 3% could literally swing an entire election. Even if its half of that, hell even if its a tenth, the entire election would be completely invalidated.

I don't actually support or care for democracy, but if you people really do - why would you rally in favour of a method of voting that increases the chances of leading to a tarnished outcome? Even if that increase in chance is minute, it still renders the process and thus the result, impure and invalid. Oh that's right, because Trump bad. No, I don't support Trump either but that's a whole other thread.

So you don't actually have any evidence beyond your fee-fees.

Drongonia wrote:

Ifreann wrote:So the government can be trusted to transport votes from the various polling places to the count centres, but can't be trusted to transport mail-in votes?

The government doesn't transport them, per se. I guess the USPS is an arm of the government but it doesn't have the same oversight that the electoral organisations have.

Drongonia wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
So you don't actually have any evidence beyond your fee-fees.

Did you even read the spoiler? I already said I don't give a shit, it's just baffling to see people making retarded arguments that barely stand up, because "Trump bad".

Vassenor wrote:

Drongonia wrote: Did you even read the spoiler? I already said I don't give a shit, it's just baffling to see people making retarded arguments that barely stand up, because "Trump bad".

Retarded arguments such as what?

Thermodolia wrote:

No State Here wrote:He can’t. /thread

Doesn’t mean he won’t try

No State Here wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Doesn’t mean he won’t try

So? He literally just can’t. I don’t see why this is such an issue

Drongonia wrote:Have you ever seen something like a security summit or a diplomatic meeting? Hell, protests are broken up all the time to let leaders through, the world over.

Picairn wrote:

Drongonia wrote:Have you ever seen something like a security summit or a diplomatic meeting? Hell, protests are broken up all the time to let leaders through, the world over.

Except that 1) This is for Trump to get his photo op, not for a diplomatic summit, 2) Protesters can still protest in public areas near the building where summits happen, and 3) This suppression used violent, brutal tactics i.e. shooting rubber bullets, smoke bombs, militarized agents going around beating protesters and even journalists.

Drongonia wrote:

Ifreann wrote:It's almost like Trump is a massively and obviously corrupt person and people don't trust him to illegally delay an election for any reason except to keep himself in power.

I like it when people prove my points for me, it leaves me free to make other observations like the fact that the entire United States corporate-military-government system is corrupt and broken and Trump is barely a figurehead who has little say in what's going on.

Drongonia wrote:

No State Here wrote:So? He literally just can’t. I don’t see why this is such an issue

So much of the issue comes back to "because we don't like Trump"