Trump to delay the election

[Picairn]

You don't have a right to talk as you try to prolonge arguments even when evidence has been shown and proved

You are not an omnipotent overlord to command people at your will. Everybody has the right to speak their opinions, especially when someone can't provide a sufficient source for his claims.

[Kannap]

So Trump is demanding a thing that the Constitution does not permit based on an entirely baseless concern.

Someone ask him if he's fine with President Pelosi, since that's where this path will lead.

If Trump delay the election，the president pro tempore of the senate will be the new president

Speaker of the House, actually, is before pro tempore in the line of succession. We'd be stuck with acting President Pelosi until an election is held

[Vassenor]

If Trump delay the election，the president pro tempore of the senate will be the new president

Speaker of the House, actually, is before pro tempore in the line of succession. We'd be stuck with acting President Pelosi until an election is held

I think people are getting confused because when you google Presidential Line of Succession it points you to Wikipedia... but to the bit talking about the 1792 order rather than the current one.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Speaker of the House, actually, is before pro tempore in the line of succession. We'd be stuck with acting President Pelosi until an election is held

I think people are getting confused because when you google Presidential Line of Succession it points you to Wikipedia... but to the bit talking about the 1792 order rather than the current one.

Yeah it's probably that. Now I have to admit to being wrong when I thought I was wrong.

[Kannap]

I think people are getting confused because when you google Presidential Line of Succession it points you to Wikipedia... but to the bit talking about the 1792 order rather than the current one.

Yeah it's probably that. Now I have to admit to being wrong when I thought I was wrong.

Do two wrongs make a right?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Yeah it's probably that. Now I have to admit to being wrong when I thought I was wrong.

Do two wrongs make a right?

On a bad day yes. Don't guess because you'll probably be wrong. Toss a coin!

[Vassenor]

Problem is, is there even a mechanism in the Constitution for a special election for POTUS, or does S3 mean she sits until the next scheduled election?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Problem is, is there even a mechanism in the Constitution for a special election for POTUS, or does S3 mean she sits until the next scheduled election?

No special elections no. I think the dispute about whether she's acting President or actually IS the President (the way a promoted VP is) would be crucial. If she's the President she can't be removed without impeachment, or removal by end-of-term. But maybe as Acting President she would have to stand aside for an elected replacement.

[The Alma Mater]

Problem is, is there even a mechanism in the Constitution for a special election for POTUS, or does S3 mean she sits until the next scheduled election?

No special elections no. I think the dispute about whether she's acting President or actually IS the President (the way a promoted VP is) would be crucial. If she's the President she can't be removed without impeachment, or removal by end-of-term. But maybe as Acting President she would have to stand aside for an elected replacement.

*puts on tinfoil hat*
What if Trump and Pelosi have secretly been a couple for years and are planning to place her in power ?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

No special elections no. I think the dispute about whether she's acting President or actually IS the President (the way a promoted VP is) would be crucial. If she's the President she can't be removed without impeachment, or removal by end-of-term. But maybe as Acting President she would have to stand aside for an elected replacement.

*puts on tinfoil hat*
What if Trump and Pelosi have secretly been a couple for years and are planning to place her in power ?

Then that would have happened already. Pence has a nasty accident with a 400-pound crucifix, Trump resigns because he's found Jesus and wants to become a monk. Praise the Lord, it's President Pelosi!

[Eahland]

Problem is, is there even a mechanism in the Constitution for a special election for POTUS, or does S3 mean she sits until the next scheduled election?

There's no mechanism for replacing the President other than the designated order of succession. If the President leaves office for whatever reason, the VP succeeds them and serves out the rest of the term, as has happened numerous times starting with John Tyler succeeding William Henry Harrison. If there's no VP, or the VP also is removed from office, the Speaker of the House succeeds, and, though it hasn't happened historically (Gerald Ford was appointed VP after Spiro Agnew's resignation, before Nixon's; he didn't ascend from the House directly to the Presidency), in theory would serve out the rest of the term, just as the VP does.

The problem becomes, all members of the House are up for election every two years, and the new Congress is seated a couple weeks before the Presidential inauguration, so if there's no 2020 election, there's no 2021 House of Representatives, and no Speaker of the House. Presumably at that point the Presidency would devolve onto the next in line, the president pro tempore of the Senate - because only a third of the Senate is up for election any given cycle, so we'd still have 65 Senators (an extra in Georgia is up for special election this year), who could appoint a president pro tempore... who would be a Democrat, because, due to the vagaries of how which Senator is up in which year is determined, the rump Senate would have a 35-30 Democratic majority. (Well, technically, 33-30-2, but the 2 caucus with the Democrats.)

But it's a moot point anyway, because the President does not have the power to delay the election, and even the Republicans in the Senate have indicated that they think this is bad craziness and they're not going along with it.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Well i mean he cant, so this is nothing more than another desperate distraction

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The problem becomes, all members of the House are up for election every two years, and the new Congress is seated a couple weeks before the Presidential inauguration, so if there's no 2020 election, there's no 2021 House of Representatives, and no Speaker of the House. Presumably at that point the Presidency would devolve onto the next in line, the president pro tempore of the Senate - because only a third of the Senate is up for election any given cycle, so we'd still have 65 Senators (an extra in Georgia is up for special election this year), who could appoint a president pro tempore... who would be a Democrat, because, due to the vagaries of how which Senator is up in which year is determined, the rump Senate would have a 35-30 Democratic majority. (Well, technically, 33-30-2, but the 2 caucus with the Democrats.)

And that's how Bernie Sanders became President!

A President rising that way would only be an Acting President I think. Would that oblige them to stand down in favor of an elected President, even though that may only be at a later day than Inauguration day? Or would the pro-tem-cum-President serve for 4 years?

[Eahland]

The problem becomes, all members of the House are up for election every two years, and the new Congress is seated a couple weeks before the Presidential inauguration, so if there's no 2020 election, there's no 2021 House of Representatives, and no Speaker of the House. Presumably at that point the Presidency would devolve onto the next in line, the president pro tempore of the Senate - because only a third of the Senate is up for election any given cycle, so we'd still have 65 Senators (an extra in Georgia is up for special election this year), who could appoint a president pro tempore... who would be a Democrat, because, due to the vagaries of how which Senator is up in which year is determined, the rump Senate would have a 35-30 Democratic majority. (Well, technically, 33-30-2, but the 2 caucus with the Democrats.)

And that's how Bernie Sanders became President!

A President rising that way would only be an Acting President I think. Would that oblige them to stand down in favor of an elected President, even though that may only be at a later day than Inauguration day? Or would the pro-tem-cum-President serve for 4 years?

It's a distinction without meaning, I think, because there isn't any mechanism of electing an "actual President" to replace them. We've been through the "does 'act as President' mean they're actually the President?" argument before, as far back as Tyler, and it ends up basically coming down to, whether they're the Acting President or the actual President, they're the only President we're gonna get, so they've got to be able to do all the Presidenty stuff.

[Thermodolia]

The cops already have Get out of jail free cards and the federal troops are already breaking the constitution with nothing done than possibly being made to relocate.
It's not a guarantee and like hell it would succeed but the chances of it being attempted are not to be dismissed lightly.

There will no coup. It would be a betrayal of their oath.

The cops have shown they don’t give a shit about that.

[Thermodolia]

Your normalcy bias is noted but it doesn't prove me wrong. We didn't have the partisan bias of institutional forces and the mix of incompetent narcissistic leader back then.

The military will not do it. No officer is going to risk a court marshal for attempting a coup

Uiiop isn’t saying that the military will be doing anything. The military has shown its not going to follow Trump off a cliff. Why do you think Trump switched to using DHS thugs?

[Thermodolia]

"Shitshow" and "Getting nowhere" are not mutually exclusive. I just don't want to anymore bloodshed even if it does nothing poltically.

Nor do I but this coup talk is complete and utter fantasy.

I don’t think it would be an utter fantasy for Trump to use the DHS thugs to rig the election in his favor or attempt a self-coup.

[Celritannia]

No, no he cannot.
If that was possible, Abraham Lincoln would have done it during the Civil War, and Roosevelt during WW2.

There is a reason for the Separation of Powers, this is one of them. The Executive cannot impose on the Legislature.

So for you, sexual consent means sexual imposition? I very clearly stated that Trump "can delay the election with the consent of Congress" and I'm talking about consent. You decided to change that to imposition, so I'm asking, do you think that sexual consent equates to sexual imposition?

He cannot do so, even if he tried to get consent.
To change the date of the election would be a long process which no one would do so close to the election.

So no, even if trump asked Congress nicely, it cannot happen.
End of discussion.

[Thermodolia]

Isn't it true though, that officers are sworn to obey the President and the Constitution?

The military does swear an oath of allegiance to the President. They have a moral and legal obligation to refuse unconstitutional and includes being asked to stage a coup. Launching one on their own would violate that oath as well

There is however a legal gray area. As that oath also says to defend the constitution for all enemies foreign and domestic. This could mean that if Trump or any president attempted a self-coup the military would be within their rights to stop the president and restore democracy.

[Thermodolia]

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President Trump is calling for the election to be delayed due to pandemic and fraud concerns.

So NSG it has begun what shall we do about it ?

Let's just stop giving a f**k about the Pandemic.

It's run its course, and even if a few die, long shutdowns cause FAR more death than Corona-Chan would do anyways.

That hasn’t been proven anywhere where shutdowns have been in place, the opposite has happened actually

[Organized States]

We, [being a member of the Armed Services speaking on my own on behalf of a number of like-minded troops], have not forgotten our oath and we will faithfully execute the orders of the President of the United States. That being said, it is not our job to act as the United States' emergency fire-ax. We cannot and we should not be involved in any aspect of the electoral process other than ensuring its cyber-security.

We are not a country where the Military guards the polls and stages elections. That is a bad precedent in a Constitutional Republic.

Isn't it true though, that officers are sworn to obey the President and the Constitution?

We are, but until January, Trump remains the President of the United States.

We will follow his lawful orders, but after that, we'll follow whoever is legally determined to be the President.

[Galloism]

You know, it would be an absolute shame if someone spread around the far right wing fake news echo chamber that Trump had delayed the election to November 24th.

[Organized States]

You know, it would be an absolute shame if someone spread around the far right wing fake news echo chamber that Trump had delayed the election to November 24th.

*Dials Moscow*

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Trump is full of shit, the election will go on as normal.

He is whineing about mail in voteing to give him self an excuse to whine about something if he looses.

[Organized States]

Trump is full of shit, the election will go on as normal.

He is whineing about mail in voteing to give him self an excuse to whine about something if he looses.

Unfortunately, I worry that this will cause a significant amount of political terrorism on a scale ala the 1990s (think Oklahoma City) by people who think that the election was rigged.