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Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:16 am**

Marxist Germany wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It can’t be delayed as the new Congress must convene January 3rd

Congressional elections are different from Presidential elections.

They are held the same day in addition to many state legislative elections and some statewide elections. The new congress meets January 3rd to certify the electoral college result and the Vice President presides

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:16 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Geneviev wrote:He's preparing to deny it completely, or at the very least prevent people from voting. He'll find a way to win.

It’s more likely that he’ll hurt the republicans than the democrats

That would be if he's a normal president, but he's too determined to stay in power.

Picairn wrote:
Geneviev wrote:He's preparing to deny it completely, or at the very least prevent people from voting. He'll find a way to win.

The 20th Amendment will kick Trump out on January 20th, and the Republican voter suppression machine can't stop states implementing mail in voting and record turnout from Trump's blunders.

He could have some states refuse to count those ballots or just dispute the results if he loses. Trump probably won't accept a loss.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:17 am**

Picairn wrote:
Geneviev wrote:He's preparing to deny it completely, or at the very least prevent people from voting. He'll find a way to win.

The 20th Amendment will kick Trump out on January 20th, and the Republican voter suppression machine can't stop states implementing mail in voting and record turnout from Trump's blunders.

If anyone doesn't know the XX Amendment:

"Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

Section 2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

Section 4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.

Section 5. Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article.

Section 6. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission."

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:17 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:
I'd say almost certainly.

Based on what?

Jobs were better under Trump and theres two things decent people hate more than anything. Kid fidlers and Marxism. And the demo chose a candidate who exemplifies one and doesnt oppose the other enough.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:19 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Geneviev wrote:He's preparing to deny it completely, or at the very least prevent people from voting. He'll find a way to win.

It’s more likely that he’ll hurt the republicans than the democrats

Iirc Republican leaders have told Trump to tone it down before with the anti-mail ballot rhetoric because they're afraid it'll cause Republicans to not vote at all, considering the polls won't be safe by the time the election happens.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:19 am**

Valrifell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s more likely that he’ll hurt the republicans than the democrats

Iirc Republican leaders have told Trump to tone it down before with the anti-mail ballot rhetoric because they're afraid it'll cause Republicans to not vote at all, considering the polls won't be safe by the time the election happens.

He doesn’t care at this point

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:20 am**

Wow, Donald Trump spits on the constitution. Who knew. :roll:

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:21 am**

Valrifell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s more likely that he’ll hurt the republicans than the democrats

Iirc Republican leaders have told Trump to tone it down before with the anti-mail ballot rhetoric because they're afraid it'll cause Republicans to not vote at all, considering the polls won't be safe by the time the election happens.

I hate to break it to you but there wont be an election. I know the Constitution blah blah but Trump is going to arrest judges and the like to cow the courts into silence.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:22 am**

Greed and Death wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Iirc Republican leaders have told Trump to tone it down before with the anti-mail ballot rhetoric because they're afraid it'll cause Republicans to not vote at all, considering the polls won't be safe by the time the election happens.

I hate to break it to you but there wont be an election. I know the Constitution blah blah but Trump is going to arrest judges and the like to cow the courts into silence.

But wouldn't that conflict with your plans to seize power? I doubt you'd just let that happen.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:22 am**

Greed and Death wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Iirc Republican leaders have told Trump to tone it down before with the anti-mail ballot rhetoric because they're afraid it'll cause Republicans to not vote at all, considering the polls won't be safe by the time the election happens.

I hate to break it to you but there wont be an election. I know the Constitution blah blah but Trump is going to arrest judges and the like to cow the courts into silence.

That's not probable yet. He'll probably ignore the election, not stop it.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:22 am**

Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Based on what?

Jobs were better under Trump and theres two things decent people hate more than anything. Kid fidlers and Marxism. And the demo chose a candidate who exemplifies one and doesnt oppose the other enough.

-laughs in economic crash-

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:22 am**

Picairn wrote:
Geneviev wrote:He still might win, with the way he's treating the election.

He can't delay the election. Not sure what your point is here.

Did you know that people routinely do things that are illegal?

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:22 am**

Greed and Death wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Iirc Republican leaders have told Trump to tone it down before with the anti-mail ballot rhetoric because they're afraid it'll cause Republicans to not vote at all, considering the polls won't be safe by the time the election happens.

I hate to break it to you but there wont be an election. I know the Constitution blah blah but Trump is going to arrest judges and the like to cow the courts into silence.

Arrest judges for what?

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:23 am**

Ifreann wrote:
Picairn wrote:He can't delay the election. Not sure what your point is here.

Did you know that people routinely do things that are illegal?

He'd try, but I'm pretty sure the riots would convince Congress to pressure him into not trying anymore.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:24 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:
Jobs were better under Trump and theres two things decent people hate more than anything. Kid fidlers and Marxism. And the demo chose a candidate who exemplifies one and doesnt oppose the other enough.

-laughs in economic crash-

You must've forgotten which side caused this economic crash.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:24 am**

Marxist Germany wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
-laughs in economic crash-

You must've forgotten which side caused this economic crash.

The GOP given that they're currently in power?

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:25 am**

Marxist Germany wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
-laughs in economic crash-

You must've forgotten which side caused this economic crash.

The virus isn't a political side.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:25 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:
Jobs were better under Trump and theres two things decent people hate more than anything. Kid fidlers and Marxism. And the demo chose a candidate who exemplifies one and doesnt oppose the other enough.

-laughs in economic crash-

Here's the thing. Nobody cares for your counter argument.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:25 am**

Marxist Germany wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
-laughs in economic crash-

You must've forgotten which side caused this economic crash.

Or which side caused the 2007-8 Crash.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:25 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Geneviev wrote:He's preparing to deny it completely, or at the very least prevent people from voting. He'll find a way to win.

It’s more likely that he’ll hurt the republicans than the democrats

Ohno, mail voting would be a disaster for the republicans and they know it. If poor people are easily able to vote AND go to their 3 jobs they might actually do it - and most of them would not vote republican.

It is important to the republicans to make it as hard as possible for such groups to participate in elections.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:26 am**

Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
-laughs in economic crash-

Here's the thing. Nobody cares for your counter argument.

The economy going into a massive contraction isn't bad for Trump's ability to run on a strong economy?

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:26 am**

Marxist Germany wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
-laughs in economic crash-

You must've forgotten which side caused this economic crash.

The virus side? Or the side that didn't respond to the virus to protect people?

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:28 am**

Valrifell wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Did you know that people routinely do things that are illegal?

He'd try, but I'm pretty sure the riots would convince Congress to pressure him into not trying anymore.

I don't really think he could pull it off, but still, people shouldn't let their guard down and assume that the bad thing won't happen because it's illegal.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:28 am**

Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:Jobs were better under Trump and theres two things decent people hate more than anything. Kid fidlers and Marxism. And the demo chose a candidate who exemplifies one and doesnt oppose the other enough.

The economy right now is bust, so it's useless to bring up jobs now. Also decent people hate blunders, like Trump's handling of the coronavirus.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:29 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:
Here's the thing. Nobody cares for your counter argument.

The economy going into a massive contraction isn't bad for Trump's ability to run on a strong economy?

Nope, because nobody believes it. Mainly because the people saying it will not be believed.

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