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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:52 am

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Drongonia wrote:Have you ever seen something like a security summit or a diplomatic meeting? Hell, protests are broken up all the time to let leaders through, the world over.

Except that 1) This is for Trump to get his photo op, not for a diplomatic summit, 2) Protesters can still protest in public areas near the building where summits happen, and 3) This suppression used violent, brutal tactics i.e. shooting rubber bullets, smoke bombs, militarized agents going around beating protesters and even journalists.


Diplomatic summits basically are photo ops
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Postby Drongonia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:53 am

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Drongonia wrote:So much of the issue comes back to "because we don't like Trump"


:rofl:

You're really not paying attention or you've been blinded by the TDS meme.

Nobody has given me an actual reason for them not liking this potential delay (that can't happen as its illegal anyway) besides "I think he's corrupt" or "I don't have confidence in him"
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Postby Picairn » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:53 am

Drongonia wrote:Well I can't really argue with you considering I support the actions in your 3rd point.

So you support brutal suppression of peaceful protests? Are you being edgy or actually, seriously supporting it?
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Postby Picairn » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:54 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Diplomatic summits basically are photo ops

No, it also involves a meeting place, some talks and usually signing a treaty or deal.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:54 am

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Ifreann wrote:So the government can be trusted to transport votes from the various polling places to the count centres, but can't be trusted to transport mail-in votes?

The government doesn't transport them, per se. I guess the USPS is an arm of the government but it doesn't have the same oversight that the electoral organisations have.

According to...Trump? Who wants to delay the election in the hopes of remaining in power forever? Hmmm.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:55 am

Drongonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
:rofl:

You're really not paying attention or you've been blinded by the TDS meme.

Nobody has given me an actual reason for them not liking this potential delay (that can't happen as its illegal anyway) besides "I think he's corrupt" or "I don't have confidence in him"


And you've given no reason why this delay is a good thing.
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Postby Drongonia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:55 am

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Drongonia wrote:Well I can't really argue with you considering I support the actions in your 3rd point.

So you support brutal suppression of peaceful protests? Are you being edgy or actually, seriously supporting it?

No, I'm not being edgy. I sincerely support it. Not to mention, peaceful protests are broken up with people being arrested all the time for various reasons. Hell, it even took me just 30 seconds to find one example of that happening in my lovely country, which is not a tin pot dictatorship.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:56 am

Drongonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So the government can be trusted to transport votes from the various polling places to the count centres, but can't be trusted to transport mail-in votes?

The government doesn't transport them, per se. I guess the USPS is an arm of the government but it doesn't have the same oversight that the electoral organisations have.

Picairn wrote:Have you been living under a rock? Trump suppressed a peaceful protest to get a photo op, the kind of thing that only happens in tin pot dictatorships.

Have you ever seen something like a security summit or a diplomatic meeting? Hell, protests are broken up all the time to let leaders through, the world over.


Would this be the same USPS that the GOP is desperately trying to destroy?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:56 am

Drongonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
:rofl:

You're really not paying attention or you've been blinded by the TDS meme.

Nobody has given me an actual reason for them not liking this potential delay (that can't happen as its illegal anyway) besides "I think he's corrupt" or "I don't have confidence in him"

It's illegal.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:56 am

Drongonia wrote:
Picairn wrote:So you support brutal suppression of peaceful protests? Are you being edgy or actually, seriously supporting it?

No, I'm not being edgy. I sincerely support it. Not to mention, peaceful protests are broken up with people being arrested all the time for various reasons. Hell, it even took me just 30 seconds to find one example of that happening in my lovely country, which is not a tin pot dictatorship.


Not seeing tear gas or baton rounds like we're seeing in America right now.
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Postby Drongonia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:57 am

Vassenor wrote:
Drongonia wrote:The government doesn't transport them, per se. I guess the USPS is an arm of the government but it doesn't have the same oversight that the electoral organisations have.


Have you ever seen something like a security summit or a diplomatic meeting? Hell, protests are broken up all the time to let leaders through, the world over.


Would this be the same USPS that the GOP is desperately trying to destroy?

I don't follow US politics to the letter (no pun intended) so I don't know, but from that tiny snippet I would say I wouldn't support the closure of the USPS or the transfer of it into private hands. The GOP is cringe anyway, Geriatric Old Pillocks
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:58 am

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Drongonia wrote:Nobody has given me an actual reason for them not liking this potential delay (that can't happen as its illegal anyway) besides "I think he's corrupt" or "I don't have confidence in him"


And you've given no reason why this delay is a good thing.

It should be obvious why people who want a dictatorship support Trump's efforts to establish himself as a dictator.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:58 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Doesn’t mean he won’t try

So? He literally just can’t. I don’t see why this is such an issue

I’m not saying that it is an issue but Trump being Trump and favoring authoritarian despots it’s possible he’ll try to change it, even though he can’t, because he wants to be like Kimmie
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Postby Atheris » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:58 am

Drongonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
:rofl:

You're really not paying attention or you've been blinded by the TDS meme.

Nobody has given me an actual reason for them not liking this potential delay (that can't happen as its illegal anyway) besides "I think he's corrupt" or "I don't have confidence in him"

It's an illegal increase in the length of a president's term, which is fundamentally anti-democratic and potentially corrupt. I wouldn't support it regardless of the President.
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Postby Picairn » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:58 am

Drongonia wrote:No, I'm not being edgy. I sincerely support it. Not to mention, peaceful protests are broken up with people being arrested all the time for various reasons. Hell, it even took me just 30 seconds to find one example of that happening in my lovely country, which is not a tin pot dictatorship.

I don't see rubber bullets, smoke bombs or militarized troops violently beating up journalists.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:59 am

Drongonia wrote:
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Would this be the same USPS that the GOP is desperately trying to destroy?

I don't follow US politics to the letter (no pun intended) so I don't know, but from that tiny snippet I would say I wouldn't support the closure of the USPS or the transfer of it into private hands. The GOP is cringe anyway, Geriatric Old Pillocks


Explains why they like Trump so much since he fits that bill perfectly.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:59 am

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Vassenor wrote:Let's see the data then.

Vassenor coming in with the big-brain "source?" response already. It's only logical that the mailing system for ANYTHING is bound to be less reliable than literally handling it to the person meant to receive it. Not to mention all of the other people in this thread saying "haha idiot half the states already do it" as if that's meant to make it a good thing. Also, I don't know about the US, but other secure things such as IDs, passports and so on which are mailed to people are usually handled by couriers, not by just popping it in the post box (where I live, I should say).

Another thing is that I've seen the figure being thrown around that approximately 3% of mail getting lost in the system. 3% could literally swing an entire election. Even if its half of that, hell even if its a tenth, the entire election would be completely invalidated.

I don't actually support or care for democracy, but if you people really do - why would you rally in favour of a method of voting that increases the chances of leading to a tarnished outcome? Even if that increase in chance is minute, it still renders the process and thus the result, impure and invalid. Oh that's right, because Trump bad. No, I don't support Trump either but that's a whole other thread.


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Postby Drongonia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:59 am

Ifreann wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And you've given no reason why this delay is a good thing.

It should be obvious why people who want a dictatorship support Trump's efforts to establish himself as a dictator.

>Dictator Trump

fucking lmao what a joke, he's too stupid to even be a dictator.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:59 am

Drongonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It should be obvious why people who want a dictatorship support Trump's efforts to establish himself as a dictator.

>Dictator Trump

fucking lmao what a joke, he's too stupid to even be a dictator.


So why is he trying to do this then?
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:00 am

Ifreann wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And you've given no reason why this delay is a good thing.

It should be obvious why people who want a dictatorship support Trump's efforts to establish himself as a dictator.

Depends on politics of those who support a dictatorship. Left wing dictator supporters wouldn’t support a Trump Dictatorship
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:00 am

Drongonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It should be obvious why people who want a dictatorship support Trump's efforts to establish himself as a dictator.

>Dictator Trump

fucking lmao what a joke, he's too stupid to even be a dictator.

Intelligence is not a prerequisite of being a dictator.
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Postby Celritannia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:01 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It should be obvious why people who want a dictatorship support Trump's efforts to establish himself as a dictator.

Depends on politics of those who support a dictatorship. Left wing dictator supporters wouldn’t support a Trump Dictatorship


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Postby Drongonia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:01 am

Vassenor wrote:
Drongonia wrote:>Dictator Trump

fucking lmao what a joke, he's too stupid to even be a dictator.


So why is he trying to do this then?

You and others are the ones saying he's trying - you're writing the story here.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:01 am

Drongonia wrote:
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So why is he trying to do this then?

You and others are the ones saying he's trying - you're writing the story here.


Apparently when the man himself calls for it it's not saying he's trying to do it. :roll:
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Who cares, its going to go ahead and he's going to win again.
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