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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:14 pm

Floridamanstan wrote:He won’t be able to make it happen but imo with coronavirus it should be delayed so it doesn’t lead to another wave.


Or we could expand mail-in voting so that people don't have to violate SD and risk their lives to exercise their rights.
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:18 pm

Kanadorika wrote:Election or no election, Donald Trump's term ends in January.

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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:18 pm

The New California Republic wrote:He keeps saying the reason is that postal vote fraud is a big problem. Is it? On the basis of what evidence?


On the basis that Trump would interfere with it of course.

Ya know, maybe we should cancel the election like Trump suggested another time. I mean why bother with voting for a new president >u>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQLbNekBU1A

(For those of you who are Trump supporters that never bother to look up shit and think everything is fake news, this is what is called sarcasm; canceling the election would mean that a Democrat would potentially end up as president, specifically, Nancy Pelosi, because the president cannot hold the office without an election, nor can anybody that he appointed to the cabinet unless re-appointed by the new president/incumbent president.)

I think it says a lot that even Trump's chief bootlickers, Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham, are telling Trump to go fuck himself.
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Postby Atheris » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:20 pm

I think it's safe to say that Trump just lost the election.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:21 pm

Floridamanstan wrote:He won’t be able to make it happen but imo with coronavirus it should be delayed so it doesn’t lead to another wave.

It can’t be past a certain point as Congress’s term ends on January 3rd and the president and Vice President At noon on January 20th. Confess must meet January 3rd to certify the electoral college and the Vice President presides: there is no way around it

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Postby Floridamanstan » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:22 pm

Atheris wrote:I think it's safe to say that Trump just lost the election.

Yup. Not going to go over well with anybody.

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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:23 pm

Floridamanstan wrote:He won’t be able to make it happen but imo with coronavirus it should be delayed so it doesn’t lead to another wave.


He was OK with keeping his rallies open, but not the election?

Pleaaaaaase.
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Postby Floridamanstan » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:25 pm

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Floridamanstan wrote:He won’t be able to make it happen but imo with coronavirus it should be delayed so it doesn’t lead to another wave.


He was OK with keeping his rallies open, but not the election?

Pleaaaaaase.

I know right?

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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:27 pm

You know what.

For once. I agree with Trump.

He's right. Delay or cancel the election. :)

He gets kicked out and Nancy Pelosi becomes acting President and the Republicans don't get a vote.
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:27 pm

At this point, I genuinely don't think Trump or Pence will be leaving office unless it is in a body bag. Even if on 20 January, 2021, Biden legally becomes President, I have a feeling many in the military, plus those right-wing militias who "fear a tyrannical government" will defend Trump to the bitter end.
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:28 pm

Atheris wrote:I think it's safe to say that Trump just lost the election.

I honestly don't think he will: I'm sure he'll lose the popular vote, but I genuinely doubt that he will lose the electoral college at all. And even if he does, I do not believe he will recognize the results.
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Postby La Paz de Los Ricos » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:29 pm

I thought his base largely believed in the sanctity of the Constitution?
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:29 pm

Luziyca wrote:At this point, I genuinely don't think Trump or Pence will be leaving office unless it is in a body bag. Even if on 20 January, 2021, Biden legally becomes President, I have a feeling many in the military, plus those right-wing militias who "fear a tyrannical government" will defend Trump to the bitter end.


The military live by a strict code of honor in defence of democracy. Even if the generals might go along with it, the soldiers most certainly will not.

Besides, fat fucking chance Trump gets along with the generals enough that he secured personal loyalties among them. The man can't keep professional yes-men and pansy politicians in check, you think he can make generals kowtow to him?
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Postby Fauzjhia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:30 pm

Luziyca wrote:At this point, I genuinely don't think Trump or Pence will be leaving office unless it is in a body bag. Even if on 20 January, 2021, Biden legally becomes President, I have a feeling many in the military, plus those right-wing militias who "fear a tyrannical government" will defend Trump to the bitter end.


Man, that would be interessing for studies, a coup d'état in the modern civilised world. how in the world it came to that? how the united states of america became a dictatorship.

this would be very interessing and difficult studies to complete.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:30 pm

Luziyca wrote:At this point, I genuinely don't think Trump or Pence will be leaving office unless it is in a body bag. Even if on 20 January, 2021, Biden legally becomes President, I have a feeling many in the military, plus those right-wing militias who "fear a tyrannical government" will defend Trump to the bitter end.

I won't discount the militias, sure. But the official military is mostly feels insulted by trump. There may be some members that would go that far though it's hard not to see them either scared off from doing or getting rekt by everyone else if they were brave enough.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:31 pm

Luziyca wrote:At this point, I genuinely don't think Trump or Pence will be leaving office unless it is in a body bag. Even if on 20 January, 2021, Biden legally becomes President, I have a feeling many in the military, plus those right-wing militias who "fear a tyrannical government" will defend Trump to the bitter end.

The military isn’t going to back Trump if he loses. If Trump loses in a landslide they will no longer take orders from him come noon at January 20th

They would be betraying their oaths if they did that
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Postby Fauzjhia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:32 pm

La Paz de Los Ricos wrote:I thought his base largely believed in the sanctity of the Constitution?


the constitution does not exist when its liberal issues, (abortion, for exemple. )
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Postby La Paz de Los Ricos » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:33 pm

Fauzjhia wrote:
La Paz de Los Ricos wrote:I thought his base largely believed in the sanctity of the Constitution?


the constitution does not exist when its liberal issues, (abortion, for exemple. )


Ooh, you're right. But when it comes to protecting the elderly from sickness, that's a whole different story.
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:38 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Luziyca wrote:At this point, I genuinely don't think Trump or Pence will be leaving office unless it is in a body bag. Even if on 20 January, 2021, Biden legally becomes President, I have a feeling many in the military, plus those right-wing militias who "fear a tyrannical government" will defend Trump to the bitter end.


The military live by a strict code of honor in defence of democracy. Even if the generals might go along with it, the soldiers most certainly will not.

Besides, fat fucking chance Trump gets along with the generals enough that he secured personal loyalties among them. The man can't keep professional yes-men and pansy politicians in check, you think he can make generals kowtow to him?

Given that the US Military has been infiltrated by white nationalists and other extremists, I have a feeling that those guys probably going to go along with defending Trump. Given many of those guys are in the shadows, I honestly think there's going to be a bunch of people willing to support Trump in the army: probably enough of a proportion of the grunts.

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Luziyca wrote:At this point, I genuinely don't think Trump or Pence will be leaving office unless it is in a body bag. Even if on 20 January, 2021, Biden legally becomes President, I have a feeling many in the military, plus those right-wing militias who "fear a tyrannical government" will defend Trump to the bitter end.


Man, that would be interessing for studies, a coup d'état in the modern civilised world. how in the world it came to that? how the united states of america became a dictatorship.

this would be very interessing and difficult studies to complete.

Certainly, it would be interesting to read about in 200 years or so. But as someone living in the country next to America, I dread how it will affect us, because it's going to overwhelm us the way the war in Syria overwhelmed its neighbors.

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Luziyca wrote:At this point, I genuinely don't think Trump or Pence will be leaving office unless it is in a body bag. Even if on 20 January, 2021, Biden legally becomes President, I have a feeling many in the military, plus those right-wing militias who "fear a tyrannical government" will defend Trump to the bitter end.

The military isn’t going to back Trump if he loses. If Trump loses in a landslide they will no longer take orders from him come noon at January 20th

They would be betraying their oaths if they did that

Hopefully.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:39 pm

Luziyca wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
The military live by a strict code of honor in defence of democracy. Even if the generals might go along with it, the soldiers most certainly will not.

Besides, fat fucking chance Trump gets along with the generals enough that he secured personal loyalties among them. The man can't keep professional yes-men and pansy politicians in check, you think he can make generals kowtow to him?

Given that the US Military has been infiltrated by white nationalists and other extremists, I have a feeling that those guys probably going to go along with defending Trump. Given many of those guys are in the shadows, I honestly think there's going to be a bunch of people willing to support Trump in the army: probably enough of a proportion of the grunts.

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Man, that would be interessing for studies, a coup d'état in the modern civilised world. how in the world it came to that? how the united states of america became a dictatorship.

this would be very interessing and difficult studies to complete.

Certainly, it would be interesting to read about in 200 years or so. But as someone living in the country next to America, I dread how it will affect us, because it's going to overwhelm us the way the war in Syria overwhelmed its neighbors.

San Lumen wrote:The military isn’t going to back Trump if he loses. If Trump loses in a landslide they will no longer take orders from him come noon at January 20th

They would be betraying their oaths if they did that

Hopefully.

It’s utter fantasy and will not occur

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:48 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Luziyca wrote:At this point, I genuinely don't think Trump or Pence will be leaving office unless it is in a body bag. Even if on 20 January, 2021, Biden legally becomes President, I have a feeling many in the military, plus those right-wing militias who "fear a tyrannical government" will defend Trump to the bitter end.


The military live by a strict code of honor in defence of democracy. Even if the generals might go along with it, the soldiers most certainly will not.

Besides, fat fucking chance Trump gets along with the generals enough that he secured personal loyalties among them. The man can't keep professional yes-men and pansy politicians in check, you think he can make generals kowtow to him?

The military has already shown that it won’t go along with Trumps games
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Postby Vistulange » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Luziyca wrote:At this point, I genuinely don't think Trump or Pence will be leaving office unless it is in a body bag. Even if on 20 January, 2021, Biden legally becomes President, I have a feeling many in the military, plus those right-wing militias who "fear a tyrannical government" will defend Trump to the bitter end.

The military isn’t going to back Trump if he loses. If Trump loses in a landslide they will no longer take orders from him come noon at January 20th

They would be betraying their oaths if they did that

Oaths, in practice, tend to amount to about zilch if the folks having undertaken those oaths don't give a shit.

However, asking soldiers to fire on their comrades, or worse, their own citizens, is an entirely different ballpark. That...isn't usually very easy to do, because life isn't an RTS where you give a command and your units do it, no questions asked.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Given that the US Military has been infiltrated by white nationalists and other extremists, I have a feeling that those guys probably going to go along with defending Trump. Given many of those guys are in the shadows, I honestly think there's going to be a bunch of people willing to support Trump in the army: probably enough of a proportion of the grunts.


Certainly, it would be interesting to read about in 200 years or so. But as someone living in the country next to America, I dread how it will affect us, because it's going to overwhelm us the way the war in Syria overwhelmed its neighbors.


Hopefully.

It’s utter fantasy and will not occur

For once I actually have to agree with Lumen here. This is an utter fantasy. The military will not support Trump if Biden is elected.

And White Nationalists haven’t infiltrated the military, not in any widespread ability. Hell white nats have been in the military since, well ever
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:55 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It’s utter fantasy and will not occur

For once I actually have to agree with Lumen here. This is an utter fantasy. The military will not support Trump if Biden is elected.

And White Nationalists haven’t infiltrated the military, not in any widespread ability. Hell white nats have been in the military since, well ever


... It is a little worrying, admittedly, that there might be white terrorist cells in the military.

While there might be no danger against the presidency, I worry for our soldiers' safety.
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:28 pm

Luziyca wrote:At this point, I genuinely don't think Trump or Pence will be leaving office unless it is in a body bag. Even if on 20 January, 2021, Biden legally becomes President, I have a feeling many in the military, plus those right-wing militias who "fear a tyrannical government" will defend Trump to the bitter end.

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