Mail in votes are twice as likely to be spoiled, and that just included the ones that arrive for counting. We have no idea how many are "lost" in transit.
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by Aclion » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:49 am
by Valrifell » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:50 am
by Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:50 am
by Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:51 am
by Unified German-State » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:52 am
by Valrifell » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:53 am
by Valrifell » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:54 am
Unified German-State wrote:The Cazistan wrote:ballots are already conveniently misplaced all the time
just imagine the amount of fraud that would take place if your vote was only as secure as your mailbox
This ^^^
Not a fan of democracy and the idea of mail-in voting is only pushing me further away, as it should to any rational person.
by The New California Republic » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:55 am
Ifreann wrote:Spoiled votes aren't a problem, unless that term means something else in America.
by Hanoverian Great Britain » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:55 am
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by Vistulange » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:58 am
by Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:59 am
Unified German-State wrote:The Cazistan wrote:ballots are already conveniently misplaced all the time
just imagine the amount of fraud that would take place if your vote was only as secure as your mailbox
This ^^^
Not a fan of democracy and the idea of mail-in voting is only pushing me further away, as it should to any rational person.
by Aclion » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:00 am
by Purpelia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:04 am
Ifreann wrote:Unified German-State wrote:
This ^^^
Not a fan of democracy and the idea of mail-in voting is only pushing me further away, as it should to any rational person.
There is nothing rational about your fears. Mail-in voting already happens routinely. It is not a new, never before tried idea, conceived purely for this election.
by HC Eredivisie » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:08 am
Valrifell wrote:Aclion wrote:Mail in votes are twice as likely to be spoiled, and that just included the ones that arrive for counting. We have no idea how many are "lost" in transit.
Mail-in ballots are unmarked, you don't know who the voter voted for so purposeful spoilering of ballots by postal worker would be... extremely difficult if not impossible. That's not even to mention that the USPS is fairly reliable in getting things to where they need to go, only about 3% of mail is eternally lost in the system and that's including packages and such. I'd imagine that it's lower for paper mail.
Paper ballots, by the way, are already postmarked so there'd have to be something extraordinary for it to get lost by accident.
by Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:10 am
Purpelia wrote:Ifreann wrote:There is nothing rational about your fears. Mail-in voting already happens routinely. It is not a new, never before tried idea, conceived purely for this election.
So is drinking bleach to cure autism. Both ideas are stupid. It does not take much intellect to see why having the postal service between you and the safety of the ballot box is a bad idea.
by HC Eredivisie » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:14 am
The difference would be that before you wouldn't know who was using mail-in voting and now everybody would be using it so one could steal the ballot out of every mailbox.Ifreann wrote:Purpelia wrote:So is drinking bleach to cure autism. Both ideas are stupid. It does not take much intellect to see why having the postal service between you and the safety of the ballot box is a bad idea.
My point, which I thought was obvious but apparently not, is that since mail-in voting already happens then there should be evidence of any problems associated with it. Anyone who claims to be rational should prefer reasoning from facts and data to reasoning from vague fears.
by Thermodolia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:16 am
Valrifell wrote:He can't do that, delaying the election isn't possible, but maybe he'll accidentally encourage Republicans to stay home and lead the Democrats into a Biden 50 state sweep and 60 Senate seats.
by Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:16 am
HC Eredivisie wrote:The difference would be that before you wouldn't know who was using mail-in voting and now everybody would be using it so one could steal the ballot out of every mailbox.Ifreann wrote:My point, which I thought was obvious but apparently not, is that since mail-in voting already happens then there should be evidence of any problems associated with it. Anyone who claims to be rational should prefer reasoning from facts and data to reasoning from vague fears.
by Valrifell » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:17 am
HC Eredivisie wrote:Valrifell wrote:
Mail-in ballots are unmarked, you don't know who the voter voted for so purposeful spoilering of ballots by postal worker would be... extremely difficult if not impossible. That's not even to mention that the USPS is fairly reliable in getting things to where they need to go, only about 3% of mail is eternally lost in the system and that's including packages and such. I'd imagine that it's lower for paper mail.
Paper ballots, by the way, are already postmarked so there'd have to be something extraordinary for it to get lost by accident.
3% is lost? That's millions of letters and packages.
by HC Eredivisie » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:17 am
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:20 am
by Jeffrey Epstein Island » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:20 am
Unified German-State wrote:The Cazistan wrote:ballots are already conveniently misplaced all the time
just imagine the amount of fraud that would take place if your vote was only as secure as your mailbox
This ^^^
Not a fan of democracy and the idea of mail-in voting is only pushing me further away, as it should to any rational person.
by Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:20 am
by Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:21 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:This thread definitely needs a poll.
by Dresderstan » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:22 am
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