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Postby Aureumterra » Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:47 am

Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine form Lublin Triangle to cooperate against Russian aggression

Lithuania, Poland and Ukraine have agreed to deepen cooperation to help Ukraine in its fight against Russian aggression as well as to take joint action to counter the coronavirus pandemic.

In a declaration signed by the Lithuanian, Polish and Ukrainian foreign ministers in the Polish city of Lublin on Tuesday, the three countries committed to creating the so-called Lublin Triangle, a trilateral platform for political, economic and social cooperation, to achieve these and other goals.

The foreign ministers “decided to organise their regular meetings, also in the margins of multilateral sessions and with the participation of chosen partners”, the document reads. “They also decide to organise consultations of high-level MFA officials and establish liaison-officers within the Ministries of Foreign Affairs.”

The declaration emphasises “the multi-centennial historical and cultural links” between the three nations and notes “common threats in security area as well as [...] pandemic threats”.

“Taking into account the ongoing Russian aggression in Ukraine, they [the ministers] commit to coordinating their activities in order to uphold the international law” and “declare invariably their strong condemnation of the attempted annexation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol by the Russian Federation”.

They also call on Russia to withdraw its troops from the eastern Ukrainian regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, and reaffirm their support to Ukraine’s independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity, and the country's NATO aspirations as well as political and economic reforms.

The ministers also “commit to providing mutual support in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic”.


Basically, Poland, Lithuania, and Ukraine have formed a defense pact to protect the three from Russian aggression, what do you think about this in regards to the general geopolitical strategy of Russia, and its interests in Ukraine and Eastern Europe?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:00 am

I don't think NATO will be too pleased with Poland here...
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:04 am

Ukraine in NATO is a very stupid idea but otherwise hats off to the Poles.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:13 am

Fartsniffage wrote:I don't think NATO will be too pleased with Poland here...


Good take. It's not forbidden, but the risk of Poland (then NATO) being drawn into war is there.

Good for Ukraine I guess.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:50 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Ukraine in NATO is a very stupid idea but otherwise hats off to the Poles.

Ukraine isn’t in NATO this is a non NATO venture
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I think I’ve been playing too much EU4, but the first thing that popped into my mind was the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth resurrected
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No State Here wrote:I think I’ve been playing too much EU4, but the first thing that popped into my mind was the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth resurrected

You wherent the only one. Unfortunately russia has most of the cores needed to form the commonwealth so...
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Postby Page » Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:57 am

Funny how Poland struggled so long against Russian influence but are now ruled by reactionary far-right politicians just like Putin is.
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Postby Ansarre » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:59 am

Wonderful! This should be expanded to cover all of Europe however. NATO is obsolete at this point, I think a united European Army is the way forward.

Page wrote:Funny how Poland struggled so long against Russian influence but are now ruled by reactionary far-right politicians just like Putin is.

Thank you for your analysis of our politics, oh wise American. Poland doesn't have a reactionary far-right government, the far-right are small in Poland. Konfederacja has just 11/460 seats in the Sejm, and aren't in government. PiS are just a nationalist party, they're not far-right.

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Ansarre wrote:Wonderful! This should be expanded to cover all of Europe however. NATO is obsolete at this point, I think a united European Army is the way forward.

Page wrote:Funny how Poland struggled so long against Russian influence but are now ruled by reactionary far-right politicians just like Putin is.

Thank you for your analysis of our politics, oh wise American. Poland doesn't have a reactionary far-right government, the far-right are small in Poland. Konfederacja has just 11/460 seats in the Sejm, and aren't in government. PiS are just a nationalist party, they're not far-right.

"Historically used to describe the experiences of fascism and Nazism,[7] today far-right politics includes neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, Third Position, the alt-right, white nationalism, and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of ultranationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic, anti-communist, or reactionary views." - Wikipedia on what is far-right. PiS are... NONE of these!

That definition itself is pretty bad, it’s saying being anti-communist is far right. So are we to assume that the Ascended Bernard Sanders I of Vermont is far right?
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Ansarre wrote:Wonderful! This should be expanded to cover all of Europe however. NATO is obsolete at this point, I think a united European Army is the way forward.


Thank you for your analysis of our politics, oh wise American. Poland doesn't have a reactionary far-right government, the far-right are small in Poland. Konfederacja has just 11/460 seats in the Sejm, and aren't in government. PiS are just a nationalist party, they're not far-right.

"Historically used to describe the experiences of fascism and Nazism,[7] today far-right politics includes neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, Third Position, the alt-right, white nationalism, and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of ultranationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic, anti-communist, or reactionary views." - Wikipedia on what is far-right. PiS are... NONE of these!

That definition itself is pretty bad, it’s saying being anti-communist is far right. So are we to assume that the Ascended Bernard Sanders I of Vermont is far right?


Way to cherry-pick between the lines racist, homophobic and chauvinistic. Almost impressive in how bizarre that is.

Anyyyyways, good on the 3 for this makeshift alliance.
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Ansarre wrote:Wonderful! This should be expanded to cover all of Europe however. NATO is obsolete at this point, I think a united European Army is the way forward.


Thank you for your analysis of our politics, oh wise American. Poland doesn't have a reactionary far-right government, the far-right are small in Poland. Konfederacja has just 11/460 seats in the Sejm, and aren't in government. PiS are just a nationalist party, they're not far-right.

"Historically used to describe the experiences of fascism and Nazism,[7] today far-right politics includes neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, Third Position, the alt-right, white nationalism, and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of ultranationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic, anti-communist, or reactionary views." - Wikipedia on what is far-right. PiS are... NONE of these!

That definition itself is pretty bad, it’s saying being anti-communist is far right. So are we to assume that the Ascended Bernard Sanders I of Vermont is far right?

They're associated with it. Not all anti-communists are far-right but all far-right are anti-communist.
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Aureumterra wrote:That definition itself is pretty bad, it’s saying being anti-communist is far right. So are we to assume that the Ascended Bernard Sanders I of Vermont is far right?


Way to cherry-pick between the lines racist, homophobic and chauvinistic. Almost impressive in how bizarre that is.

Anyyyyways, good on the 3 for this makeshift alliance.

Also says third positions is far right. When third positions was created specifically to not be left or right
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Postby Ansarre » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:26 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Way to cherry-pick between the lines racist, homophobic and chauvinistic. Almost impressive in how bizarre that is.

Anyyyyways, good on the 3 for this makeshift alliance.

Also says third positions is far right. When third positions was created specifically to not be left or right

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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:32 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Ukraine in NATO is a very stupid idea but otherwise hats off to the Poles.

Ukraine isn’t in NATO this is a non NATO venture


The article at the end discusses that this alliance supports Ukrainian entry into NATO.
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Ansarre wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Also says third positions is far right. When third positions was created specifically to not be left or right

"Third Position" is just a dogwhistle for "nazi"

It’s not even a good dogwhistle.
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Postby Vivolkha » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:08 am

I don't think this changes much other than increasing cooperation between the countries involved, which is always welcome. I wonder if the other Baltic countries will join in.
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Hmmmm, cant blame em with how Russia has acted last few years
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:53 am

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Major-Tom wrote:
Way to cherry-pick between the lines racist, homophobic and chauvinistic. Almost impressive in how bizarre that is.

Anyyyyways, good on the 3 for this makeshift alliance.

Also says third positions is far right. When third positions was created specifically to not be left or right


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No State Here wrote:I think I’ve been playing too much EU4, but the first thing that popped into my mind was the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth resurrected

You wherent the only one. Unfortunately russia has most of the cores needed to form the commonwealth so...

Do they? Ruthenia is Ukraine, and of course Poland and Lithuania are there. Belarus belongs to Russia though… for all intents and purposes
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