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Postby Grenartia » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:24 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Galloism wrote:Proofs?

Edit: never mind, found it.

https://www.visiolending.com/blog/top-1 ... nters-move



Your top examples, rent increase (18%) and negative interactions with landlords (19.5%) or unresolved repair issues (11.7%) do combine to form a fairly high percent (49.2%), or almost half. Although thats a much broader classification than your post, it's all the categories.

That still leaves renters twice as transitory as owners, even if landlords were perfect.


Those numbers add up to 147.3 percent!

Clearly people were allowed to give more than one reason in the survey.


Actually, after double checking (I'm rather embarrassed that I didn't notice the discrepancy until you pointed it out), the grand total adds up to 176.6%.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:40 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Galloism wrote:Proofs?

Edit: never mind, found it.

https://www.visiolending.com/blog/top-1 ... nters-move



Your top examples, rent increase (18%) and negative interactions with landlords (19.5%) or unresolved repair issues (11.7%) do combine to form a fairly high percent (49.2%), or almost half. Although thats a much broader classification than your post, it's all the categories.

That still leaves renters twice as transitory as owners, even if landlords were perfect.


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Can we just talk about how vague "looking for a change" is as an option? And about how this only focuses on landlords with a large number of properties? And on how there's absolutely no methodology section? And any number of other factors?

Considering this is a business poll and not something a bit more objective, I have to wonder how accurate those numbers are.

Best I could find. You're welcome to try to support your statement that the transitory nature of renters is "because of landlords".
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:32 pm

https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/20 ... -says.html

Governor Cuomo says there will be no evictions until he says so. How is that legally possible or even feasible?
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San Lumen wrote:https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/08/no-evictions-until-gov-cuomo-declares-end-to-covid-19-pandemic-new-law-says.html

Governor Cuomo says there will be no evictions until he says so. How is that legally possible or even feasible?

Ask him.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:42 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/08/no-evictions-until-gov-cuomo-declares-end-to-covid-19-pandemic-new-law-says.html

Governor Cuomo says there will be no evictions until he says so. How is that legally possible or even feasible?

Ask him.

I’d never get anything but a response thanking me for writing to him.

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Postby Dresderstan » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:50 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:Ask him.

I’d never get anything but a response thanking me for writing to him.

Do you honest to God think your governor would personally answer your question?

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San Lumen wrote:https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/08/no-evictions-until-gov-cuomo-declares-end-to-covid-19-pandemic-new-law-says.html

Governor Cuomo says there will be no evictions until he says so. How is that legally possible or even feasible?

But what matters above all is a state law, passed at the end of June, that says no one can be forced from their homes until the governor lifts all restrictions on businesses and non-essential gatherings.

Because NY state law says he can.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:52 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/08/no-evictions-until-gov-cuomo-declares-end-to-covid-19-pandemic-new-law-says.html

Governor Cuomo says there will be no evictions until he says so. How is that legally possible or even feasible?

But what matters above all is a state law, passed at the end of June, that says no one can be forced from their homes until the governor lifts all restrictions on businesses and non-essential gatherings.

Because NY state law says he can.

And his party has a majority in both houses of the legislature.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:29 pm

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Because NY state law says he can.

And his party has a majority in both houses of the legislature.


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Postby San Lumen » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:35 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/08/no-evictions-until-gov-cuomo-declares-end-to-covid-19-pandemic-new-law-says.html

Governor Cuomo says there will be no evictions until he says so. How is that legally possible or even feasible?

But what matters above all is a state law, passed at the end of June, that says no one can be forced from their homes until the governor lifts all restrictions on businesses and non-essential gatherings.

Because NY state law says he can.

At this point I doubt he’s ever going to lift all restrictions

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Postby Saiwania » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/08/no-evictions-until-gov-cuomo-declares-end-to-covid-19-pandemic-new-law-says.html
Governor Cuomo says there will be no evictions until he says so. How is that legally possible or even feasible?


The silver lining is that New York state was smart enough to put a pause on mortgages and foreclosures as well. But both landlords and tenants will probably have to save money during the pandemic to pay back rent or mortgage payments once it all resumes again.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:41 pm

Saiwania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/08/no-evictions-until-gov-cuomo-declares-end-to-covid-19-pandemic-new-law-says.html
Governor Cuomo says there will be no evictions until he says so. How is that legally possible or even feasible?


The silver lining is that New York state was smart enough to put a pause on mortgages and foreclosures as well. But both landlords and tenants will probably have to save money during the pandemic to pay back rent or mortgage payments once it all resumes again.


Back rent, or increased mortgage payments? Not what I had in mind. I was thinking more, Free Stuff at the expense of people who have assets. I will be very disappointed if Cuomo goes your way.
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Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Back rent, or increased mortgage payments? Not what I had in mind. I was thinking more, Free Stuff at the expense of people who have assets. I will be very disappointed if Cuomo goes your way.


It usually means exactly that, people will likely need to pay all of the rent/mortgage payments they missed, instead of enjoying a grace period where they have no payments to make temporarily. The debt obligations are on pause primarily to enable people to spend on other things which provide more stimulus whilst income is disrupted too much from the economic crash. But it'd be wise for them to put aside some money to pay extra so they're not too far behind the difference once everything has stabilized enough.

No, the debt won't just disappear unless the government does bailouts or it is underwritten somehow if something like nationalization or other extreme/disruptive solutions don't happen.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:38 pm

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Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Back rent, or increased mortgage payments? Not what I had in mind. I was thinking more, Free Stuff at the expense of people who have assets. I will be very disappointed if Cuomo goes your way.


It usually means exactly that, people will likely need to pay all of the rent/mortgage payments they missed, instead of enjoying a grace period where they have no payments to make temporarily. The debt obligations are on pause primarily to enable people to spend on other things which provide more stimulus whilst income is disrupted too much from the economic crash. But it'd be wise for them to put aside some money to pay extra so they're not too far behind the difference once everything has stabilized enough.

No, the debt won't just disappear unless the government does bailouts or it is underwritten somehow if something like nationalization or other extreme/disruptive solutions don't happen.


Or until society collapses.

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Saiwania wrote:
The silver lining is that New York state was smart enough to put a pause on mortgages and foreclosures as well. But both landlords and tenants will probably have to save money during the pandemic to pay back rent or mortgage payments once it all resumes again.


Back rent, or increased mortgage payments? Not what I had in mind. I was thinking more, Free Stuff at the expense of people who have assets. I will be very disappointed if Cuomo goes your way.


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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:06 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Galloism wrote:Proofs?

Edit: never mind, found it.

https://www.visiolending.com/blog/top-1 ... nters-move



Your top examples, rent increase (18%) and negative interactions with landlords (19.5%) or unresolved repair issues (11.7%) do combine to form a fairly high percent (49.2%), or almost half. Although thats a much broader classification than your post, it's all the categories.

That still leaves renters twice as transitory as owners, even if landlords were perfect.


Rent increases are normal. There is this thing called inflation so Landlords have to increase rent to maintain the same buying power.


If rent increases were remotely in line with inflation, that would be a reasonable argument. They aren't.
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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:08 am

San Lumen wrote:https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/08/no-evictions-until-gov-cuomo-declares-end-to-covid-19-pandemic-new-law-says.html

Governor Cuomo says there will be no evictions until he says so. How is that legally possible or even feasible?


Really fucking easily? You just ban eviction procedings for the duration.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:29 am

Salandriagado wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/08/no-evictions-until-gov-cuomo-declares-end-to-covid-19-pandemic-new-law-says.html

Governor Cuomo says there will be no evictions until he says so. How is that legally possible or even feasible?


Really fucking easily? You just ban eviction procedings for the duration.

And how are you going to do that without bankrupting every landlord and possibly crippling banks too?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:38 am

Diopolis wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Or, alternatively, don't.



I am fully in favour of making it so that there isn't a housing market any more.

What do you want to replace it and why do you think it will do better?

Housing decommodified and guaranteed for all people, no exceptions, ideally with local communities democratically making decisions about building more housing or converting unused housing. No one has to buy a house ever again, no one has to pay rent ever again. You want to live in the big city? Someone there wants to move out of the city, you can have the house they won't be using any more, no money need change hands.


San Lumen wrote:https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/08/no-evictions-until-gov-cuomo-declares-end-to-covid-19-pandemic-new-law-says.html

Governor Cuomo says there will be no evictions until he says so. How is that legally possible or even feasible?

Do you want people to be evicted?
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:39 am

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Really fucking easily? You just ban eviction procedings for the duration.

And how are you going to do that without bankrupting every landlord and possibly crippling backs too?


The landlords who need the rent money generally need it to pay off a mortgage. So, have mortgage payment opt-out too.

There's an incredible amount of money in the banking system. If they can't raid some hollow logs, nobody can.
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Ifreann wrote:
Diopolis wrote:What do you want to replace it and why do you think it will do better?

Housing decommodified and guaranteed for all people, no exceptions, ideally with local communities democratically making decisions about building more housing or converting unused housing. No one has to buy a house ever again, no one has to pay rent ever again. You want to live in the big city? Someone there wants to move out of the city, you can have the house they won't be using any more, no money need change hands.


San Lumen wrote:https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/08/no-evictions-until-gov-cuomo-declares-end-to-covid-19-pandemic-new-law-says.html

Governor Cuomo says there will be no evictions until he says so. How is that legally possible or even feasible?

Do you want people to be evicted?

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Back rent, or increased mortgage payments? Not what I had in mind. I was thinking more, Free Stuff at the expense of people who have assets. I will be very disappointed if Cuomo goes your way.


Want to live in a house? Here's a house. Do you like the house? Great, it costs this much to live in the house. If you don't pay the money, you don't live in the house.
Then we go up a level.
'Do you want to buy a house? Sure, I want to buy a house. Where is this house? It's right here, look, a house! Do you have the money to buy the house? No, I was thinking I could borrow some from you. Sure you can, you need to make payments though otherwise you don't have the house anymore.
Your system would probably lead to banks collapsing, which if you remember 13 years ago isn't good.


Banks manage the assets of rich people and corporations, though on paper some banks have more debt than assets.

So I'd avoid banking collapse by authorizing banks to loot the assets of rich people and corporations. Who won't like it one bit, and will never trust that bank again. So it has to be all banks, and those who come out ahead will gladly give a cut to government for making it all possible.

And while we're on that subject, why haven't we invaded the Bahamas yet?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:01 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Housing decommodified and guaranteed for all people, no exceptions, ideally with local communities democratically making decisions about building more housing or converting unused housing. No one has to buy a house ever again, no one has to pay rent ever again. You want to live in the big city? Someone there wants to move out of the city, you can have the house they won't be using any more, no money need change hands.



Do you want people to be evicted?

We have a governor not a king

It's been explained to you that this is a power he was granted by the legislature. Do you want people to be evicted?
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Diopolis wrote:What do you want to replace it and why do you think it will do better?

Housing decommodified and guaranteed for all people, no exceptions, ideally with local communities democratically making decisions about building more housing or converting unused housing. No one has to buy a house ever again, no one has to pay rent ever again. You want to live in the big city? Someone there wants to move out of the city, you can have the house they won't be using any more, no money need change hands.

How do you incentivize new housing to be built if the end user doesn't pay? Does the government pay for new housing construction at need(and how does the government pay for this)? If so, what incentivizes the government to prioritize housing quality? What about converting housing in between occupants? Who pays for major repairs, and what incentivizes them to actually do so? Who coordinates distribution of available housing? What role do individual preferences play in housing allotment?
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:38 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Housing decommodified and guaranteed for all people, no exceptions, ideally with local communities democratically making decisions about building more housing or converting unused housing. No one has to buy a house ever again, no one has to pay rent ever again. You want to live in the big city? Someone there wants to move out of the city, you can have the house they won't be using any more, no money need change hands.



Do you want people to be evicted?

We have a governor not a king

Why are you pro-eviction?
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