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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:51 pm
by Kowani
Picairn wrote:
Plzen wrote:Private property began when some entrepreneurial strongman figured out that he can just wall off some natural resource, which was formally held in common, and use violence to enforce his right to dictate how it is used.

Since property and ownership are arbitrary concepts with no basis in objectively measurable reality anyways, nobody deserves to own anything and the rightful distribution of property is whatever distribution creates the socially optimal results. Of course the definition of "socially optimal" varies with ideology, but this laissez-faire idea that there exists such a thing as the natural distribution of property is really strange, if you think about it.

"Tragedy of the Commons" is proudly standing in your way. :)

...That didn't actually address his points.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:24 pm
by Alcala-Cordel
The Emerald Legion wrote:Nobody generates wealth. Wealth exists. You simply shift it around, or sometimes discover more.

Wealth doesn't exist beyond the mental concept we have of it. For example, imagine two rooms, each with one person permanently sealed inside it. Both rooms are identical, only one of the rooms is filled with valuables. The valuables wouldn't help the person trapped with them survive because they're unable to exchange them for necessities.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:35 am
by The Black Forrest
Bear Stearns wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Because the executives can do on their own eh?


Yes, through strategic decisions. They make decisions regarding capital expenditures, mergers & acquisitions, leverage, and cash flows. All of these things contribute far more to the actual value of a company than the output of a single worker.


Yes they do. From the workers who gathered the data for them to make those decisions.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:37 pm
by Bear Stearns
The Black Forrest wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Yes, through strategic decisions. They make decisions regarding capital expenditures, mergers & acquisitions, leverage, and cash flows. All of these things contribute far more to the actual value of a company than the output of a single worker.


Yes they do. From the workers who gathered the data for them to make those decisions.


The workers who usually gather that data are white collar professionals making over six figures. Not really what people think of when they think of "labor". Unionize the financial analysts, I guess.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:44 pm
by Genivaria
SD_Film Artists wrote:As long as the donation is transparent and they're not trying to gain any special treatment (ie making a de facto corporate police force) I don't see the problem. It could be read as- 'Helpful company generously donates money back into the community'.

Big Oil


I've always found it weird how America likes to demonise large industries with 'Big [Something]' while at the same time creating the hyper-capitalist environment which allows said companies to exist. It's like America is full of masochists..

You think that's weird? I've gotten Republican emails complaining about 'Big Labor' or 'Big Green' when talking about unions or environmentalists.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:21 pm
by The Black Forrest
Bear Stearns wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Yes they do. From the workers who gathered the data for them to make those decisions.


The workers who usually gather that data are white collar professionals making over six figures. Not really what people think of when they think of "labor". Unionize the financial analysts, I guess.


They are still workers. Just salaried versus hourly. Even then they usually have underlings who do the legwork for the data.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:28 pm
by Cetacea
and do I understand this right Police Foundations are private organisations that fund Police Operations via corporate sponsors??

OMG so OCP isnt fictional? When do we see Robocop out on the streets?