Among Us Political Roleplay (18+)

[SD_Film Artists]

And how well do you think "it's good for the planet" will play with people who have already invested in a petrol car or truck, and have no alternative but to use it whatever the cost?

Maybe the government could buy back gas-guzzlers so people have some money towards a new electric car (which there won't be enough of), but then you've just shifted emissions and other pollution to fossil fuel generating plants. The only source of electricity which can be brought on-line at all quickly.

Well I'll give you credit for at least understanding it can't be done in one year.

Just invest in passenger railroads like the rest of the civilized world.

Except that rail doesn't go to every town, and even if it did it still has the inherent problems of outsourcing your transport to a private company which may have a sucky timetable if they're not on strike. I'll stick with my motorcycle thanks.

[Purpelia]

Just invest in passenger railroads like the rest of the civilized world.

Except that rail doesn't go to every town, and even if it did it still has the inherent problems of outsourcing your transport to a private company which may have a sucky timetable if they're not on strike. I'll stick with my motorcycle thanks.

See how you answered your own complaint there.

[SatoSere]

Well, can I say that this action is disgusting? This is a bribe on the officers, it is almost inevitable that they will crack down harder on environmentalist protesters to safeguard the profits of Big Oil due to this bribe.

[Post War America]

Capitalists prop up an organization essentially created to protect the interests of capital? Inconcievable.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Capitalists prop up an organization essentially created to protect the interests of capital? Inconcievable.

Capitalists voluntarily paying for something they can have for free, actually quite odd.

How could there NOT be quid pro quo? Some special treatment for them?

[Greed and Death]

I see Trump is deputizing the new Coal and Iron police.

[Post War America]

Capitalists prop up an organization essentially created to protect the interests of capital? Inconcievable.

Capitalists voluntarily paying for something they can have for free, actually quite odd.

How could there NOT be quid pro quo? Some special treatment for them?

I'm sure the donations to the police force are still cheaper than hiring mercenaries to put down uppity rebellious colored people, who might spread their revolutionary ideas of wanting to be treated like human beings to other, more dangerous (to them) demographics.

[Rah]

I feel as if I am in the 1890’s reading this thread, with its proto communist jargon and clearly unimplementable solutions. The US is a huge place with a huge economy. That will never change regardless of government style. I agree we should shift off petrochemical focus by using the existing petrochemical dtructure to support real world, tested Electrical generation, to move to electric cars. Does China or Russia have an extensive rail system outside the major cities? No. They are/“were” both Communisms....

Its all due to scale. Europe can do it because by comparison it is small Space wise but high in population density compared to Russia and US.. You dont see much rail inCanada either, outside a few cities. As for cops, I received a call to order 10 police cruisers yesterday (I work in manufacturing). The policeman currently drives a 1991 Crown Victoria. Getting hem into cleaner and safer vehicles makes the public safer as well you know. The people and all that. I see this as a corporation being socially responsible, not social engineering.

[Purpelia]

I feel as if I am in the 1890’s reading this thread, with its proto communist jargon and clearly unimplementable solutions. The US is a huge place with a huge economy. That will never change regardless of government style. I agree we should shift off petrochemical focus by using the existing petrochemical dtructure to support real world, tested Electrical generation, to move to electric cars. Does China or Russia have an extensive rail system outside the major cities? No. They are/“were” both Communisms....

Actually yes. Especially Russia. Their railroad system is massive. And besides, you don't have to connect up every village to see an impact. The vast majority of traffic happens inside of and between the main urban centers. Connect those up with fast passenger railroads and good public transit and you will see a massive drop in car traffic. This in turn will drive the demand for oil down leading to a drop in prices for those that still have to drive.

Thus you can still have your petrol driven automobile. Only now it'll last longer and cost you less to run because you have an alternative. It's called market competition and it actually works out for the little guy.

[Post War America]

I feel as if I am in the 1890’s reading this thread, with its proto communist jargon and clearly unimplementable solutions. The US is a huge place with a huge economy. That will never change regardless of government style. I agree we should shift off petrochemical focus by using the existing petrochemical dtructure to support real world, tested Electrical generation, to move to electric cars. Does China or Russia have an extensive rail system outside the major cities? No. They are/“were” both Communisms....

I can tell you from personal experience, China has a very good rail system that will take you almost anywhere you need to go. It does this affordably, and if you are going to major cities, extremely quickly (though the low speed rail is slower it goes to many more places). China has roughly the same land area as the United States, similar population dispersion, and is much poorer per capita than the US is, the US has no excuse.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I hope we shall crush… in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.

Unfortunately this did not happen.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I feel as if I am in the 1890’s reading this thread, with its proto communist jargon and clearly unimplementable solutions. The US is a huge place with a huge economy. That will never change regardless of government style. I agree we should shift off petrochemical focus by using the existing petrochemical dtructure to support real world, tested Electrical generation, to move to electric cars. Does China or Russia have an extensive rail system outside the major cities? No. They are/“were” both Communisms....

Its all due to scale. Europe can do it because by comparison it is small Space wise but high in population density compared to Russia and US.. You dont see much rail inCanada either, outside a few cities. As for cops, I received a call to order 10 police cruisers yesterday (I work in manufacturing). The policeman currently drives a 1991 Crown Victoria. Getting hem into cleaner and safer vehicles makes the public safer as well you know. The people and all that. I see this as a corporation being socially responsible, not social engineering.

Actually China has quite a lot of rail. Also a very high population, you'd have done better to put China in with Europe as places rail can work.

I don't agree that rail isn't worthwhile in the US. There is a lot of existing rail that is in terrible condition and therefore slow, made worse by the cost-cutting of using a lot of level crossings (which slow traffic more than trains, but are in any case dangerous). But where the greatest contribution could be made would be new fast rail, to reduce the use of air travel.

What do you mean "tested Electrical generation"? Nuclear is good, but has a long lead time. All kinds of renewables have long lead time too, for a different reason: up-front cost. There's just not enough investment capital in the sector at one time, but this sounds like work for the Federal government to me. Or perhaps you meant gas or coal generation ...

[La Xinga]

I don't see anything wrong, unless, like SD said, they're doing it for gain.

[Picairn]

I don't agree that rail isn't worthwhile in the US. There is a lot of existing rail that is in terrible condition and therefore slow, made worse by the cost-cutting of using a lot of level crossings (which slow traffic more than trains, but are in any case dangerous). But where the greatest contribution could be made would be new fast rail, to reduce the use of air travel.

The only problem is... building new fast railways cost a lot in the US nowadays. In fact, the costs of building new rails in the US are way larger than its European counterpart. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomb ... -its-peers

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I don't agree that rail isn't worthwhile in the US. There is a lot of existing rail that is in terrible condition and therefore slow, made worse by the cost-cutting of using a lot of level crossings (which slow traffic more than trains, but are in any case dangerous). But where the greatest contribution could be made would be new fast rail, to reduce the use of air travel.

The only problem is... building new fast railways cost a lot in the US nowadays. In fact, the costs of building new rails in the US are way larger than its European counterpart. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomb ... -its-peers

That's a subway. Still, that and fast rail would both qualify as "megaprojects" and megaprojects in any sector seem to blow out more in the US than in Europe. Perhaps the cult of Small Government limits the ability of government to oversee and audit projects?

Or perhaps private enterprise is just more ruthless at gouging government.

[Thermodolia]

Being a major player in the oil industry requires some big assets like refineries, pipelines or oil tankers. Refineries in particular can't be effectively down-scaled, also they have complex inputs and outputs that reward vertical integration (suppliers and markets). I'm not sure it would all be possible if government broke the oil companies up into "baby oils" but I am quite sure the price of fuel would be higher.

Which is why vital resource industries should be nationalized. See Norway for an example.

This. Nationalize the railroads, oil companies, telecoms, and power companies to start

[Purpelia]

That's a subway. Still, that and fast rail would both qualify as "megaprojects" and megaprojects in any sector seem to blow out more in the US than in Europe. Perhaps the cult of Small Government limits the ability of government to oversee and audit projects?

Or perhaps private enterprise is just more ruthless at gouging government.

It's because your government is corrupt to the bone and in the pocket of private business. That's all there is to it. It's entirely a cultural thing that has nothing to do with the actual viability of the project in question.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Which is why vital resource industries should be nationalized. See Norway for an example.

This. Nationalize the railroads, oil companies, telecoms, and power companies to start

Yes, and let's build bullet trains as well.

[Thermodolia]

I feel as if I am in the 1890’s reading this thread, with its proto communist jargon and clearly unimplementable solutions. The US is a huge place with a huge economy. That will never change regardless of government style. I agree we should shift off petrochemical focus by using the existing petrochemical dtructure to support real world, tested Electrical generation, to move to electric cars. Does China or Russia have an extensive rail system outside the major cities? No. They are/“were” both Communisms....

Its all due to scale. Europe can do it because by comparison it is small Space wise but high in population density compared to Russia and US.. You dont see much rail inCanada either, outside a few cities. As for cops, I received a call to order 10 police cruisers yesterday (I work in manufacturing). The policeman currently drives a 1991 Crown Victoria. Getting hem into cleaner and safer vehicles makes the public safer as well you know. The people and all that. I see this as a corporation being socially responsible, not social engineering.

The US has a massive extensive rail system, the largest in the world mind you. It’s just that near none of it is used for passenger service.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I see Trump is deputizing the new Coal and Iron police.

Bring on the Oily Maguires.

[Greed and Death]

This. Nationalize the railroads, oil companies, telecoms, and power companies to start

Yes, and let's build bullet trains as well.

Bullet trains don't make sense for us population density and living patterns.

[Purpelia]

Yes, and let's build bullet trains as well.

Bullet trains don't make sense for us population density and living patterns.

They would be a decent replacement for a lot of your internal air travel though. And regular commuter trains could pick up a lot of the rest.

[Greed and Death]

Bullet trains don't make sense for us population density and living patterns.

They would be a decent replacement for a lot of your internal air travel though. And regular commuter trains could pick up a lot of the rest.

But airports are more convenient for the suburbanite.
It makes far more sense to reduce our carbon foot print by having our rail focused principally on freight.

The only places a bullet train works is the NE corridor, The Texas Triangle, and the West Coast.

Even then as living and working patterns shift to suburbs a centralized rail station might lack convenience.

[Purpelia]

But airports are more convenient for the suburbanite.

What is the difference between driving to an airport and driving to a railroad station? They are pretty much the same except for what happens after you get there.

Even then as living and working patterns shift to suburbs a centralized rail station might lack convenience.

Which is why you build public transport to and from it. I mean it's not like these are things no country has ever had to deal with before.

[The New California Republic]

Capitalism is gonna capitalism, who would have thought?