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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:45 pm

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Sorry if this is too similar to an existing topic or something, I don't mean to waste any mod's time. Though they are connected, this thread's about a shady corporate practice rather than the police themselves.

Related: US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II (for discussion of police brutality and the recent protests.)

by Nina Lakhani

Big corporations accused of driving environmental and health inequalities in black and brown communities through toxic and climate-changing pollution are also funding powerful police groups in major US cities, according to a new investigation.
Some of America’s largest oil and gas companies, private utilities, and financial institutions that bankroll fossil fuels also back police foundatns – opaque private entities that raise money to pay for training, weapons, equipment, and surveillance technology for departments across the US.
The investigation by the Public Accountability Initiative, a nonprofit corporate and government accountability research institute, and its research database project LittleSis, details how police foundations in cities such as Seattle, Chicago, Washington, New Orleans and Salt Lake City are partially funded by household names such as Chevron, Shell and Wells Fargo.
Police foundations are industry groups that provide substantial funds to local departments, yet, as nonprofits, avoid much public scrutiny.
The investigation details how firms linked to fossil fuels also sponsor events and galas that celebrate the police, while some have senior staff serving as directors of police foundations.
The report portrays the fossil fuel industry as a common enemy in the struggle for racial and environmental justice. “Many powerful companies that drive environmental injustice are also backers of the same police departments that tyrannize the very communities these corporate actors pollute,” it states.
The report included such companies as:

-Chevron, a multinational oil and gas company, that is among the world’s top 25 polluters. In the US, it owns two of the worst six benzene-emitting refineries, according to the EPA. Chevron is a corporate sponsor of the New Orleans police and justice foundation, as well as a board member of the Houston police foundation and sponsor of the Houston mounted patrol. It also donates and serves on the board of Salt Lake City police foundation.

-Shell is one of the biggest fossil fuel companies in the world, and is currently building a huge ethane cracker plant near Pittsburgh, which advocates warn could turn Appalachia into the next so-called Cancer Alley – a corridor of Louisiana refineries, where Shell is also a major polluter. Shell is a “featured partner” of the New Orleans police foundation and a sponsor of the Houston police’s mounted patrol.

-The nation’s largest oil refining company Marathon Petroleum has long been accused of generating pollution that disproportionately affects the health of black and brown communities. Its refinery in Detroit has received 15 violations from the state environmental regulator since 2013. Marathon’s security coordinator is on the board of the Detroit police foundation, and sponsors numerous events.

Carroll Muffett, the president of the Center for International Environmental Law, said: “This report sheds a harsh light on the ways police violence and systemic racism intersect with the climate crisis.”
A spokeswoman for Chevron said the firm is a “good neighbor” wherever it operates. “Across the world, Chevron invests millions of dollars and thousands of volunteer hours on numerous programs and partnerships, helping communities improve their lives, achieve their aspirations and meet their full potential.”
Marathon Petroleum said: “It is our privilege to satisfy the [Detroit] community’s direct requests for more local neighborhood patrols by first responders, through our own contributions and support for fundraising efforts.”
Shell did not respond to request for comment.
The revelations come as the coronavirus pandemic continues to expose gaping disparities in air pollution, access to clean running water, and rates of chronic medical conditions which have contributed to a disproportionate number of deaths among people of color and Native Americans.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump is deploying militarized security forces to cities such as Seattle and Chicago to quell anti-racism protests amid growing public demands to relocate some police funds into environmental, health and social services, to create safer, healthier and racially just communities.
“Black Lives Matter is about environmental justice, economic justice, racial justice, and about stamping out racism in the criminal justice system,” said Robert Bullard, co-chair of the National Black Environmental Justice Network.
“Racism was stamped into America’s DNA. America is segregated, and so is pollution.”
Police foundations play an increasingly important role in local policing. Law-and-order advocates say they have stepped in to fill budget shortfalls and ensure police departments are equipped with state-of-the-art technology and weaponry needed to combat crime in the 21st century.
But critics argue police departments are already overfunded. Nationwide about $100bn is spent on policing each year, and cities hand over 20% to 45% of their general budgets to police departments, according to advocacy group the Center for Popular Democracy Action.
Police foundation money is additional, and this money is much harder to trace since they are not subject to the same transparency rules as public entities such as law enforcement agencies.
Aside from fossil fuel firms, utility companies were also highlighted in the report as playing a dual role as polluters and backers of police foundations.
America’s 100 largest utilities accounted for 80% of measurable air emissions, according to a 2019 report. Low-income African American communities disproportionately suffer health problems such as respiratory and cardiovascular disease, and face a higher risk of death from the fine particulate emissions that come from power plants, according to researchers at the University of Washington and Stanford.
Exelon, a publicly traded energy company headquartered in Chicago, is the nation’s largest utility, and in 2019 agreed to pay $200m over 50 years to settle a lawsuit over pollution in Chesapeake Bay.
According to the report, Exelon is a prolific donor to police foundations where it and its subsidiaries operate, giving to foundations in Baltimore, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Washington.
A spokeswoman for the company said Exelon is the country’s largest producer of carbon-free energy which financially supports programs and organizations targeting diverse communities. “A fraction of our total giving went to police departments through small, safety focused grants for things such as crash investigations, emergency scene safety improvements, K-9 search and rescue operations, and other programs.”
Financial institutions – public-facing banks, insurance companies and asset managers – are also some of the biggest sponsors of police foundations.
Wells Fargo is the second biggest global bank behind fossil fuels, and provided almost $198bn of financing for oil and gas between 2016 and 2019. The bank’s ties to police foundations include two board seats and a sponsorship deal with Charlotte-Mecklenburg. It is also a partner and donor to the Seattle police foundation, a director and sponsor of the Atlanta police foundation, and donates to Salt Lake City’s.
Wells Fargo did not respond to request for comment.
“From policing to financial violence – the road to solving the climate crisis includes addressing connected predatory systems. We support the demand to defund and divest from the police and fossil fuels, and to reinvest in the resilience of people and planet for a just recovery,” said Tamara Toles O’Laughlin, 350.org’s North America director.


TL;DR An investigation found Big Oil has been backing the police for political gain.
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Postby Purpelia » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:49 pm

That's what you get when you allow business to become so huge that they become richer than some countries.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:53 pm

Purpelia wrote:That's what you get when you allow business to become so huge that they become richer than some countries.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Many megacorporations spend massive amounts of money astroturfing, lobbying, and damaging the environment with the wealth that rightfully belongs to their workers.
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Postby Purpelia » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:00 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Purpelia wrote:That's what you get when you allow business to become so huge that they become richer than some countries.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Many megacorporations spend massive amounts of money astroturfing, lobbying, and damaging the environment with the wealth that rightfully belongs to their workers.

They are also funding the identity politics crowd as a means of destroying the actual left which would otherwise point out what you just did and try to fix it.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:34 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Many megacorporations spend massive amounts of money astroturfing, lobbying, and damaging the environment with the wealth that rightfully belongs to their workers.

They are also funding the identity politics crowd as a means of destroying the actual left which would otherwise point out what you just did and try to fix it.

They're winning too, though recent events have gained te left some traction.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:29 am

As long as the donation is transparent and they're not trying to gain any special treatment (ie making a de facto corporate police force) I don't see the problem. It could be read as- 'Helpful company generously donates money back into the community'.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:52 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Big Oil


I've always found it weird how America likes to demonise large industries with 'Big [Something]' while at the same time creating the hyper-capitalist environment which allows said companies to exist. It's like America is full of masochists..


Being a major player in the oil industry requires some big assets like refineries, pipelines or oil tankers. Refineries in particular can't be effectively down-scaled, also they have complex inputs and outputs that reward vertical integration (suppliers and markets). I'm not sure it would all be possible if government broke the oil companies up into "baby oils" but I am quite sure the price of fuel would be higher.
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:57 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Being a major player in the oil industry requires some big assets like refineries, pipelines or oil tankers. Refineries in particular can't be effectively down-scaled, also they have complex inputs and outputs that reward vertical integration (suppliers and markets). I'm not sure it would all be possible if government broke the oil companies up into "baby oils" but I am quite sure the price of fuel would be higher.

Which is why vital resource industries should be nationalized. See Norway for an example.
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Postby Plzen » Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:57 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:[...] but I am quite sure the price of fuel would be higher.

Would that be such a bad thing?

If gasoline jumped to, oh, 7~8€ a gallon - like in the Netherlands - I have to imagine that the US would abruptly start seriously rethinking everything from consumer delivery logistics to urban planning and accomplish everything that 40 years of environmentalist campaigning failed at doing.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:00 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:

I've always found it weird how America likes to demonise large industries with 'Big [Something]' while at the same time creating the hyper-capitalist environment which allows said companies to exist. It's like America is full of masochists..


Being a major player in the oil industry requires some big assets like refineries, pipelines or oil tankers. Refineries in particular can't be effectively down-scaled, also they have complex inputs and outputs that reward vertical integration (suppliers and markets). I'm not sure it would all be possible if government broke the oil companies up into "baby oils" but I am quite sure the price of fuel would be higher.


My dad worked for a relatively small company creating parts for oil rigs. It's still possible to have some independence in the petrochemical industry but of course there are extremely high start-up costs if a company would want to be the one ordering said oil rigs.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:02 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Big Oil


I've always found it weird how America likes to demonise large industries with 'Big [Something]' while at the same time creating the hyper-capitalist environment which allows said companies to exist. It's like America is full of masochists..

It's what we use to negatively refer to monolithic megacorporations. I personally hate capitalism as a whole, but I absolutely get what you're saying.

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Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:[...] but I am quite sure the price of fuel would be higher.

Would that be such a bad thing?

If gasoline jumped to, oh, 7~8€ a gallon - like in the Netherlands - I have to imagine that the US would abruptly start seriously rethinking everything from consumer delivery logistics to urban planning and accomplish everything that 40 years of environmentalist campaigning failed at doing.

I guess in the short term it might be a pain for some people, especially the ones driving things that pollute a lot, and I think that's what NH2 is getting at.

That being said, I 100% agree with you.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:03 am

Plzen wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:[...] but I am quite sure the price of fuel would be higher.

Would that be such a bad thing?

If gasoline jumped to, oh, 7~8€ a gallon - like in the Netherlands - I have to imagine that the US would abruptly start seriously rethinking everything from consumer delivery logistics to urban planning and accomplish everything that 40 years of environmentalist campaigning failed at doing.


It's also going to hurt people financially with commuting costs etc, and a move to electricity would be useless if there isn't the infrastructure to support it.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:05 am

Plzen wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:[...] but I am quite sure the price of fuel would be higher.

Would that be such a bad thing?

If gasoline jumped to, oh, 7~8€ a gallon - like in the Netherlands - I have to imagine that the US would abruptly start seriously rethinking everything from consumer delivery logistics to urban planning and accomplish everything that 40 years of environmentalist campaigning failed at doing.


And how well do you think "it's good for the planet" will play with people who have already invested in a petrol car or truck, and have no alternative but to use it whatever the cost?

Maybe the government could buy back gas-guzzlers so people have some money towards a new electric car (which there won't be enough of), but then you've just shifted emissions and other pollution to fossil fuel generating plants. The only source of electricity which can be brought on-line at all quickly.

Well I'll give you credit for at least understanding it can't be done in one year.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:06 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Plzen wrote:Would that be such a bad thing?

If gasoline jumped to, oh, 7~8€ a gallon - like in the Netherlands - I have to imagine that the US would abruptly start seriously rethinking everything from consumer delivery logistics to urban planning and accomplish everything that 40 years of environmentalist campaigning failed at doing.


It's also going to hurt people financially with commuting costs etc, and a move to electricity would be useless if there isn't the infrastructure to support it.

I think the long term environmental benefits outweigh a few years of inconvenience for some people.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:13 am

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
It's also going to hurt people financially with commuting costs etc, and a move to electricity would be useless if there isn't the infrastructure to support it.

I think the long term environmental benefits outweigh a few years of inconvenience for some people.


I think what we're both getting at is that it would take a much wider set of reforms to create more renewable capacity. Just pulling the one lever which raises the price of fuel will likely create more demand for other fossil fuels to generate electricity. Gas, which arguably is about as damaging as oil, and coal which is clearly worse.
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Postby Plzen » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:14 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:I think what we're both getting at is that it would take a much wider set of reforms to create more renewable capacity. Just pulling the one lever which raises the price of fuel will likely create more demand for other fossil fuels to generate electricity. Gas, which arguably is about as damaging as oil, and coal which is clearly worse.

First of all, we need to do whatever it takes to put a permanent end to this anti-nuclear hysteria that consumes so many nations...

But yeah. It's kind of absurd how much power energy companies in particular (as is the focus of this thread) and large corporations in general have. Oil companies used to fund pro-renewable environmentalist propaganda in order to stifle nuclear, but now that solar and wind are actually viable competitors to oil, they kind of stopped doing that. :p
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I do wonder why large corporate are maneuvering to provide funding towards police organizations...

Could it have something to do with exerting influence, and a degree of control, over them perhaps?
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Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Plzen wrote:Would that be such a bad thing?

If gasoline jumped to, oh, 7~8€ a gallon - like in the Netherlands - I have to imagine that the US would abruptly start seriously rethinking everything from consumer delivery logistics to urban planning and accomplish everything that 40 years of environmentalist campaigning failed at doing.


And how well do you think "it's good for the planet" will play with people who have already invested in a petrol car or truck, and have no alternative but to use it whatever the cost?

Maybe the government could buy back gas-guzzlers so people have some money towards a new electric car (which there won't be enough of), but then you've just shifted emissions and other pollution to fossil fuel generating plants. The only source of electricity which can be brought on-line at all quickly.

Well I'll give you credit for at least understanding it can't be done in one year.

Just invest in passenger railroads like the rest of the civilized world.
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SD_Film Artists wrote:As long as the donation is transparent and they're not trying to gain any special treatment (ie making a de facto corporate police force) I don't see the problem. It could be read as- 'Helpful company generously donates money back into the community'.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:27 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:I do wonder why large corporate are maneuvering to provide funding towards police organizations...

Could it have something to do with exerting influence, and a degree of control, over them perhaps?


Maybe they just want to be front of the queue when buildings need protection. Though that implies they see militant greenies coming for them some time soon ... which seems a bit mad.

When your product is somewhere on the scale Flammable to Explosive, being risk-averse is understandable :p
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Plzen wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:[...] but I am quite sure the price of fuel would be higher.

Would that be such a bad thing?

If gasoline jumped to, oh, 7~8€ a gallon - like in the Netherlands - I have to imagine that the US would abruptly start seriously rethinking everything from consumer delivery logistics to urban planning and accomplish everything that 40 years of environmentalist campaigning failed at doing.


If we had a decent system of public transportation and less parking lots, we'd do that. But instead of designing a decent system, Sacramento's building high speed rail... to connect the few areas already covered by transportation. When our gas price goes up, it's the poor who are fucked. Without public transport, and with everything so far apart in LA, and so expensive to bring closer together, what're the options?
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:30 am

Purpelia wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
And how well do you think "it's good for the planet" will play with people who have already invested in a petrol car or truck, and have no alternative but to use it whatever the cost?

Maybe the government could buy back gas-guzzlers so people have some money towards a new electric car (which there won't be enough of), but then you've just shifted emissions and other pollution to fossil fuel generating plants. The only source of electricity which can be brought on-line at all quickly.

Well I'll give you credit for at least understanding it can't be done in one year.

Just invest in passenger railroads like the rest of the civilized world.

Passenger rail is more efficient and perhaps a worthwhile investment for the US, but the presence or absence of it doesn't necessarily equate to a society being 'civilized' or 'uncivilized'.
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:51 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Just invest in passenger railroads like the rest of the civilized world.

Passenger rail is more efficient and perhaps a worthwhile investment for the US, but the presence or absence of it doesn't necessarily equate to a society being 'civilized' or 'uncivilized'.

The reason why I call america uncivilized is because of other stuff including but not limited to its dysfunctional political, healthcare and education systems, race issues, murder rate, crime rate, the war on drugs, lack of overall socialism etc. Not having trains is just one of the tiny and mostly tasteless sprinkles strewn on top of the excrement and earwax flavored icecream. /tangent
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