ICE tried to block unflattering Netflix documentary

[La Xinga]

So, citizen’s militia to control the border you say?

Control the border?

U know, to make sure criminals don't come in?

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Control the border?

U know, to make sure criminals don't come in?

How 'bout just pass a law asking them to please, please, please, please stay out?

[Cisairse]

Why haven't we abolished the DHS yet?

[La Xinga]

U know, to make sure criminals don't come in?

How 'bout just pass a law asking them to please, please, please, please stay out?

I don't really think they'll listen....

[Mirjt]

Defund DHS.

So, citizen’s militia to control the border you say?

The DHS is the Department of Homeland Security, not border control (though I am sure there is considerable overlap). I am not sure if ICE is under the control of DHS though.

Why do we need to "control" the border?
What is wrong with allowing the free passage across the border at official channels and customs for the purposes of immigration, emmigration, visitation, tourism, work, travel, commerce, etc...?

[Vassenor]

So, citizen’s militia to control the border you say?

The DHS is the Department of Homeland Security, not border control (though I am sure there is considerable overlap). I am not sure if ICE is under the control of DHS though.

Why do we need to "control" the border?
What is wrong with allowing the free passage across the border at official channels and customs for the purposes of immigration, emmigration, visitation, tourism, work, travel, commerce, etc...?

Because scary brown people.

[Cisairse]

Defund DHS.

So, citizen’s militia to control the border you say?

Do you seriously believe that we didn't have a border before 2002?

[La Xinga]

So, citizen’s militia to control the border you say?

The DHS is the Department of Homeland Security, not border control (though I am sure there is considerable overlap). I am not sure if ICE is under the control of DHS though.

Why do we need to "control" the border?
What is wrong with allowing the free passage across the border at official channels and customs for the purposes of immigration, emmigration, visitation, tourism, work, travel, commerce, etc...?

I think you're missing terrorism and drugs.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

How 'bout just pass a law asking them to please, please, please, please stay out?

I don't really think they'll listen....

But it'll be an official law! People listen to those all the time!

[La Xinga]

I don't really think they'll listen....

But it'll be an official law! People listen to those all the time!

They...don't? Which is why we need the police, but not the point of this topic.

[Mirjt]

The DHS is the Department of Homeland Security, not border control (though I am sure there is considerable overlap). I am not sure if ICE is under the control of DHS though.

Why do we need to "control" the border?
What is wrong with allowing the free passage across the border at official channels and customs for the purposes of immigration, emmigration, visitation, tourism, work, travel, commerce, etc...?

I think you're missing terrorism and drugs.

ICE and the DEA (and the U.S. Military) are more often the terrorists than not, what else do you call the separation of families, the caging of human beings (of all ages and backgrounds) in cruel conditions, and the refusal to offer programs that will save lives from drug overdoses, unsafe drug use, drug related violence, and addiction (the programs I am referring to here are the decriminalization of drugs and safe injection sites).

Also we have plenty of terrorism and drugs from the U.S., the vast and overwhelming (nearly all) people crossing the border are not terrorists or drug traders, and if they were they would probably not go through the official channels and customs.

[Kowani]

The DHS is the Department of Homeland Security, not border control (though I am sure there is considerable overlap). I am not sure if ICE is under the control of DHS though.

Why do we need to "control" the border?
What is wrong with allowing the free passage across the border at official channels and customs for the purposes of immigration, emmigration, visitation, tourism, work, travel, commerce, etc...?

I think you're missing terrorism and drugs.

90% of illegal drugs come through legal points of entry,

[La Xinga]

I think you're missing terrorism and drugs.

ICE and the DEA (and the U.S. Military) are more often the terrorists than not, what else do you call the separation of families, the caging of human beings (of all ages and backgrounds) in cruel conditions, and the refusal to offer programs that will save lives from drug overdoses, unsafe drug use, drug related violence, and addiction (the programs I am referring to here are the decriminalization of drugs and safe injection sites).

I call it protecting the law.

Also we have plenty of terrorism and drugs from the U.S., the vast and overwhelming (nearly all) people crossing the border are not terrorists or drug traders, and if they were they would probably not go through the official channels and customs.

Amazing, but I think protecting the border would obviously do more good than bad. If you don't like the current situation, it's reform. not abolish.

[La Xinga]

I think you're missing terrorism and drugs.

90% of illegal drugs come through legal points of entry,

That's still a nice ten percent that could've been stopped.

[Kowani]

90% of illegal drugs come through legal points of entry,

That's still a nice ten percent that could've been stopped.

No. This is profoundly stupid.

[La Xinga]

That's still a nice ten percent that could've been stopped.

No. This is profoundly stupid.

Saying it doesn't help. Explain.

[Aeritai]

I think you're missing terrorism and drugs.

ICE and the DEA (and the U.S. Military) are more often the terrorists than not, what else do you call the separation of families, the caging of human beings (of all ages and backgrounds) in cruel conditions, and the refusal to offer programs that will save lives from drug overdoses, unsafe drug use, drug related violence, and addiction (the programs I am referring to here are the decriminalization of drugs and safe injection sites).

Also we have plenty of terrorism and drugs from the U.S., the vast and overwhelming (nearly all) people crossing the border are not terrorists or drug traders, and if they were they would probably not go through the official channels and customs.

So people who join either the Army, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard, National Guard, and Air Force are automatically terrorist?

[Kowani]

ICE and the DEA (and the U.S. Military) are more often the terrorists than not, what else do you call the separation of families, the caging of human beings (of all ages and backgrounds) in cruel conditions, and the refusal to offer programs that will save lives from drug overdoses, unsafe drug use, drug related violence, and addiction (the programs I am referring to here are the decriminalization of drugs and safe injection sites).

Also we have plenty of terrorism and drugs from the U.S., the vast and overwhelming (nearly all) people crossing the border are not terrorists or drug traders, and if they were they would probably not go through the official channels and customs.

So people who join either the Army, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard, and Air Force are automatically terrorist?

I'd say out of all of those, the Coast Guard is the least problematic by a wide margin.

[Cisairse]

ICE and the DEA (and the U.S. Military) are more often the terrorists than not, what else do you call the separation of families, the caging of human beings (of all ages and backgrounds) in cruel conditions, and the refusal to offer programs that will save lives from drug overdoses, unsafe drug use, drug related violence, and addiction (the programs I am referring to here are the decriminalization of drugs and safe injection sites).

Also we have plenty of terrorism and drugs from the U.S., the vast and overwhelming (nearly all) people crossing the border are not terrorists or drug traders, and if they were they would probably not go through the official channels and customs.

So people who join either the Army, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard, National Guard, and Air Force are automatically terrorist?

Not automatically, but yes.

[Aeritai]

So people who join either the Army, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard, National Guard, and Air Force are automatically terrorist?

Not automatically, but yes.

Okay but what about the Coast Guard and National Guard then? Considering those branches deal with rescue efforts that seems weird to call them terrorist.

[Cisairse]

Not automatically, but yes.

Okay but what about the Coast Guard and National Guard then? Considering those branches deal with rescue efforts that seems weird to call them terrorist.

Aren't CG the ones who tried to arrest Greenpeace?

Also hasn't NG been involved with beating up peaceful protesters recently?

[Aeritai]

Okay but what about the Coast Guard and National Guard then? Considering those branches deal with rescue efforts that seems weird to call them terrorist.

Aren't CG the ones who tried to arrest Greenpeace?


Also hasn't NG been involved with beating up peaceful protesters recently?

I don't know about the Greenpeace arrest, so I can't make a opinion on that.

As for the NG beating up protesters I can understand why you see them as problematic.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Control the border?

U know, to make sure criminals don't come in?

Sounds kinda cringe, I'll pass.

[La Xinga]

U know, to make sure criminals don't come in?

Sounds kinda cringe, I'll pass.

I don't know what you mean, but ok.

[Kowani]

No. This is profoundly stupid.

Saying it doesn't help. Explain.

Sigh. You're devoting resources and manpower (of dubious quality) to try to stop a "problem" when there are much better ways to prevent drug trafficking, and you're doing it in the least effective way possible.