Poland to withdraw from Istanbul Convention

[Farnhamia]

This is a pretty big thing. Poland’s PiS (Law and Justice Party) started with eroding LGBTQ+ rights, and now moving onto women’s rights, ever so slowly. One can only wonder what’s next in Duda’s plans for Poland. It sounds like Duda is solidifying his sway over Poland’s voters as well.

According to the article, Hungary and Slovakia are looking into the treaty as well. This could signify a slow withdrawal of a few signatories.

’Alarm' at Poland's plan to leave treaty protecting women
54 MINUTES AGO
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
STRASBOURG, FRANCE

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The Istanbul Convention is the world's first binding instrument to prevent and combat violence against women

The Council of Europe said Sunday, July 26, it is "alarmed" that Poland's right-wing government is moving to withdraw from a landmark international treaty combating violence against women.
Polish Justice Minister Zbigniew Ziobro said on the weekend that on Monday, July 27, he will begin preparing the formal process to withdraw from the Istanbul Convention, the world's first binding instrument to prevent and combat violence against women, from marital rape to female genital mutilation.

A previous centrist Polish government signed the treaty in 2012 and it was ratified in 2015, when Ziobro called it "an invention, a feminist creation aimed at justifying gay ideology".
The treaty was spearheaded by the Council of Europe, the continent's oldest human rights organisation, and its Secretary General Marija Pejcinovic Buric condemned the right-wing Law and Justice (PiS) government's plan to withdraw.

"Leaving the Istanbul Convention would be highly regrettable and a major step backwards in the protection of women against violence in Europe," she said in a statement on Sunday.
"If there are any misconceptions or misunderstandings about the convention, we are ready to clarify them in a constructive dialogue."

Around 2,000 people marched in the Polish capital Warsaw on Friday to protest the government's withdrawal plan, some shouting "stop violence against women".

There was also outrage from several members of the European Parliament, with Iratxe Garcia Perez, the Spanish leader of the Socialist group, calling the decision "disgraceful."
"I stand with Polish citizens taking (to) the streets to demand respect for women's rights," he tweeted.

The leader of the EU parliament's Renew Europe group, former Romanian prime minister Dacian Ciolos, tweeted: "Using the fight against the Istanbul Convention as an instrument to display its conservatism is a new pitiful and pathetic move by some within the PiS government."
Fellow MEP and former Belgian premier Guy Verhofstadt said the decision was "scandalous", adding that "violence is not a traditional value."

The Council of Europe emphasised that the Istanbul Convention's "sole objective" is to combat violence against women and domestic violence.

The treaty does not explicitly mention gay marriage.

But that has not stopped the backlash to it in Hungary and Slovakia, where the parliament rejected the treaty insisting -- without proof -- that it is at odds with the country's constitutional definition of marriage as a heterosexual union.

The Strasbourg-based Council of Europe, which is separate from the European Union, has no binding powers but brings together 47 member states to make recommendations on rights and democracy. – Rappler.com

So what do you think of this move, NSG?

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

Great

[Galloism]

I mean it is an explicitly sexist treaty, that downplays half (more or less) of the domestic violence victims on the basis of gender.

Maybe replace it with a non sexist one?

EDIT: Since this is on the first page, I'm going to go ahead and edit this to include the statement that this doesn't mean the government getting out of it is "good" or getting out for the "right reasons". It's good in the abstract to get out of a sexist treaty like Istanbul, but getting out of it for sexist reasons just makes it two groups of sexists rejecting each other.

[Picairn]

Sounds like Poland is following the steps of Hungary into a dictatorship.

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

Sounds like Poland is following the steps of Hungary into a dictatorship.

This is woman violence, not authoritarianism. Separate topics

[Democratic Commune of France]

Poland is going down... an interesting route.

[Picairn]

This is woman violence, not authoritarianism. Separate topics

I dunno, curbing civil rights (yes, that includes women's rights) sounds like a step into dictatorship.

[Gormwood]

Great

You're thrilled that a country will now ignore a treaty calling for prohibition of violence against women. Oh the message that sends...

[Gormwood]

I mean it is an explicitly sexist treaty, that downplays half (more or less) of the domestic violence victims on the basis of gender.

Maybe replace it with a non sexist one?

Sure they will.

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

This is woman violence, not authoritarianism. Separate topics

I dunno, curbing civil rights (yes, that includes women's rights) sounds like a step into dictatorship.

It’s a loose multinational treaty, unless there’s a national erosion of rights for female victims of domestic abuse/rape I don’t as of yet consider it an erosion of civil liberties.
It could be, bit cynical. That will be seen what policies or laws are taken after the stipulations are gone.

[Tolopel]

bruh moment

[Galloism]

I mean it is an explicitly sexist treaty, that downplays half (more or less) of the domestic violence victims on the basis of gender.

Maybe replace it with a non sexist one?

Sure they will.

It’ll be hard. A lot of the powerful governments in Europe are explicitly sexist in this regard, and it will be difficult to get them to sign a treaty or convention that requires or even acknowledges gender equality in the field of domestic violence.

[Vassenor]

Great

What makes this great?

[Vistulange]

Sounds like Poland is following the steps of Hungary into a dictatorship.

This is woman violence, not authoritarianism. Separate topics

Women's rights are inextricably linked to democratic governance and authoritarianism. The first wave of feminism literally demanded women's suffrage.

First-wave feminism was a period of feminist activity and thought that occurred during the 19th and early 20th century throughout the Western world. It focused on legal issues, primarily on securing women's right to vote.

Put broadly, pretty much anything involving the position of individuals within a society is a political matter. In this case, it certainly is connected to authoritarianism. Diminishing women's presence within the social and economic sphere will inevitably lead to them having a diminished political voice, thereby gradually silencing them, which I think can be considered authoritarian. I'm not going to jump on the "Poland dictatorship now" bandwagon, but it's a worrying precedent not only for women's rights in Poland, but also for Polish democracy in the long-term.

[Ordysius]

This is a pretty big thing. Poland’s PiS (Law and Justice Party) started with eroding LGBTQ+ rights, and now moving onto women’s rights, ever so slowly. One can only wonder what’s next in Duda’s plans for Poland. It sounds like Duda is solidifying his sway over Poland’s voters as well.

According to the article, Hungary and Slovakia are looking into the treaty as well. This could signify a slow withdrawal of a few signatories.

’Alarm' at Poland's plan to leave treaty protecting women
54 MINUTES AGO
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
STRASBOURG, FRANCE

---

The Istanbul Convention is the world's first binding instrument to prevent and combat violence against women

The Council of Europe said Sunday, July 26, it is "alarmed" that Poland's right-wing government is moving to withdraw from a landmark international treaty combating violence against women.
Polish Justice Minister Zbigniew Ziobro said on the weekend that on Monday, July 27, he will begin preparing the formal process to withdraw from the Istanbul Convention, the world's first binding instrument to prevent and combat violence against women, from marital rape to female genital mutilation.

A previous centrist Polish government signed the treaty in 2012 and it was ratified in 2015, when Ziobro called it "an invention, a feminist creation aimed at justifying gay ideology".
The treaty was spearheaded by the Council of Europe, the continent's oldest human rights organisation, and its Secretary General Marija Pejcinovic Buric condemned the right-wing Law and Justice (PiS) government's plan to withdraw.

"Leaving the Istanbul Convention would be highly regrettable and a major step backwards in the protection of women against violence in Europe," she said in a statement on Sunday.
"If there are any misconceptions or misunderstandings about the convention, we are ready to clarify them in a constructive dialogue."

Around 2,000 people marched in the Polish capital Warsaw on Friday to protest the government's withdrawal plan, some shouting "stop violence against women".

There was also outrage from several members of the European Parliament, with Iratxe Garcia Perez, the Spanish leader of the Socialist group, calling the decision "disgraceful."
"I stand with Polish citizens taking (to) the streets to demand respect for women's rights," he tweeted.

The leader of the EU parliament's Renew Europe group, former Romanian prime minister Dacian Ciolos, tweeted: "Using the fight against the Istanbul Convention as an instrument to display its conservatism is a new pitiful and pathetic move by some within the PiS government."
Fellow MEP and former Belgian premier Guy Verhofstadt said the decision was "scandalous", adding that "violence is not a traditional value."

The Council of Europe emphasised that the Istanbul Convention's "sole objective" is to combat violence against women and domestic violence.

The treaty does not explicitly mention gay marriage.

But that has not stopped the backlash to it in Hungary and Slovakia, where the parliament rejected the treaty insisting -- without proof -- that it is at odds with the country's constitutional definition of marriage as a heterosexual union.

The Strasbourg-based Council of Europe, which is separate from the European Union, has no binding powers but brings together 47 member states to make recommendations on rights and democracy.

– Rappler.com

So what do you think of this move, NSG?

Where can I find this treaty? I've been searching for a while with no results.

I mean it is an explicitly sexist treaty, that downplays half (more or less) of the domestic violence victims on the basis of gender.

Maybe replace it with a non sexist one?

This is a good point. I feel that men in the West are being overlooked concerning domestic violence and similar issues that both men and women suffer.

[Galloism]

This is a pretty big thing. Poland’s PiS (Law and Justice Party) started with eroding LGBTQ+ rights, and now moving onto women’s rights, ever so slowly. One can only wonder what’s next in Duda’s plans for Poland. It sounds like Duda is solidifying his sway over Poland’s voters as well.

According to the article, Hungary and Slovakia are looking into the treaty as well. This could signify a slow withdrawal of a few signatories.

’Alarm' at Poland's plan to leave treaty protecting women
54 MINUTES AGO
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
STRASBOURG, FRANCE

---

The Istanbul Convention is the world's first binding instrument to prevent and combat violence against women

The Council of Europe said Sunday, July 26, it is "alarmed" that Poland's right-wing government is moving to withdraw from a landmark international treaty combating violence against women.
Polish Justice Minister Zbigniew Ziobro said on the weekend that on Monday, July 27, he will begin preparing the formal process to withdraw from the Istanbul Convention, the world's first binding instrument to prevent and combat violence against women, from marital rape to female genital mutilation.

A previous centrist Polish government signed the treaty in 2012 and it was ratified in 2015, when Ziobro called it "an invention, a feminist creation aimed at justifying gay ideology".
The treaty was spearheaded by the Council of Europe, the continent's oldest human rights organisation, and its Secretary General Marija Pejcinovic Buric condemned the right-wing Law and Justice (PiS) government's plan to withdraw.

"Leaving the Istanbul Convention would be highly regrettable and a major step backwards in the protection of women against violence in Europe," she said in a statement on Sunday.
"If there are any misconceptions or misunderstandings about the convention, we are ready to clarify them in a constructive dialogue."

Around 2,000 people marched in the Polish capital Warsaw on Friday to protest the government's withdrawal plan, some shouting "stop violence against women".

There was also outrage from several members of the European Parliament, with Iratxe Garcia Perez, the Spanish leader of the Socialist group, calling the decision "disgraceful."
"I stand with Polish citizens taking (to) the streets to demand respect for women's rights," he tweeted.

The leader of the EU parliament's Renew Europe group, former Romanian prime minister Dacian Ciolos, tweeted: "Using the fight against the Istanbul Convention as an instrument to display its conservatism is a new pitiful and pathetic move by some within the PiS government."
Fellow MEP and former Belgian premier Guy Verhofstadt said the decision was "scandalous", adding that "violence is not a traditional value."

The Council of Europe emphasised that the Istanbul Convention's "sole objective" is to combat violence against women and domestic violence.

The treaty does not explicitly mention gay marriage.

But that has not stopped the backlash to it in Hungary and Slovakia, where the parliament rejected the treaty insisting -- without proof -- that it is at odds with the country's constitutional definition of marriage as a heterosexual union.

The Strasbourg-based Council of Europe, which is separate from the European Union, has no binding powers but brings together 47 member states to make recommendations on rights and democracy.

– Rappler.com

So what do you think of this move, NSG?

Where can I find this treaty? I've been searching for a while with no results.

I mean it is an explicitly sexist treaty, that downplays half (more or less) of the domestic violence victims on the basis of gender.

Maybe replace it with a non sexist one?

This is a good point. I feel that men in the West are being overlooked concerning domestic violence and similar issues that both men and women suffer.

Here’s the text:

https://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/ ... 168008482e

[Blueflarst]

It is an explicitly sexist treaty

[Vassenor]

This is a pretty big thing. Poland’s PiS (Law and Justice Party) started with eroding LGBTQ+ rights, and now moving onto women’s rights, ever so slowly. One can only wonder what’s next in Duda’s plans for Poland. It sounds like Duda is solidifying his sway over Poland’s voters as well.

According to the article, Hungary and Slovakia are looking into the treaty as well. This could signify a slow withdrawal of a few signatories.

’Alarm' at Poland's plan to leave treaty protecting women
54 MINUTES AGO
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
STRASBOURG, FRANCE

---

The Istanbul Convention is the world's first binding instrument to prevent and combat violence against women

The Council of Europe said Sunday, July 26, it is "alarmed" that Poland's right-wing government is moving to withdraw from a landmark international treaty combating violence against women.
Polish Justice Minister Zbigniew Ziobro said on the weekend that on Monday, July 27, he will begin preparing the formal process to withdraw from the Istanbul Convention, the world's first binding instrument to prevent and combat violence against women, from marital rape to female genital mutilation.

A previous centrist Polish government signed the treaty in 2012 and it was ratified in 2015, when Ziobro called it "an invention, a feminist creation aimed at justifying gay ideology".
The treaty was spearheaded by the Council of Europe, the continent's oldest human rights organisation, and its Secretary General Marija Pejcinovic Buric condemned the right-wing Law and Justice (PiS) government's plan to withdraw.

"Leaving the Istanbul Convention would be highly regrettable and a major step backwards in the protection of women against violence in Europe," she said in a statement on Sunday.
"If there are any misconceptions or misunderstandings about the convention, we are ready to clarify them in a constructive dialogue."

Around 2,000 people marched in the Polish capital Warsaw on Friday to protest the government's withdrawal plan, some shouting "stop violence against women".

There was also outrage from several members of the European Parliament, with Iratxe Garcia Perez, the Spanish leader of the Socialist group, calling the decision "disgraceful."
"I stand with Polish citizens taking (to) the streets to demand respect for women's rights," he tweeted.

The leader of the EU parliament's Renew Europe group, former Romanian prime minister Dacian Ciolos, tweeted: "Using the fight against the Istanbul Convention as an instrument to display its conservatism is a new pitiful and pathetic move by some within the PiS government."
Fellow MEP and former Belgian premier Guy Verhofstadt said the decision was "scandalous", adding that "violence is not a traditional value."

The Council of Europe emphasised that the Istanbul Convention's "sole objective" is to combat violence against women and domestic violence.

The treaty does not explicitly mention gay marriage.

But that has not stopped the backlash to it in Hungary and Slovakia, where the parliament rejected the treaty insisting -- without proof -- that it is at odds with the country's constitutional definition of marriage as a heterosexual union.

The Strasbourg-based Council of Europe, which is separate from the European Union, has no binding powers but brings together 47 member states to make recommendations on rights and democracy.

– Rappler.com

So what do you think of this move, NSG?

Where can I find this treaty? I've been searching for a while with no results.

I mean it is an explicitly sexist treaty, that downplays half (more or less) of the domestic violence victims on the basis of gender.

Maybe replace it with a non sexist one?

This is a good point. I feel that men in the West are being overlooked concerning domestic violence and similar issues that both men and women suffer.

Literally the first hit on Google.

And how does the existence of this treaty claim that men do not suffer domestic violence?

[Vassenor]

It is an explicitly sexist treaty

It's sexist to say that domestic violence should have consequences?

[Ordysius]

Here’s the text:

https://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/ ... 168008482e

Much appreciated!

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

Great

You're thrilled that a country will now ignore a treaty calling for prohibition of violence against women. Oh the message that sends...

Fuck yes, I love sending the right message.

Non sexist treaties for everyone.

[Galloism]

It is an explicitly sexist treaty

It's sexist to say that domestic violence should have consequences?

No, it's sexist to repeatedly assert that women are the primary victims of domestic violence, when it's almost certainly not true, and continually play up and talk about violence against women and leave out violence against men, especially when the latter is much much higher than the former.

It's essentially going around yelling "white lives matter!" when talking about police violence. There's a reason that would be offensive, and you bloody well know what it is.

[Vassenor]

You're thrilled that a country will now ignore a treaty calling for prohibition of violence against women. Oh the message that sends...

Fuck yes, I love sending the right message.

Non sexist treaties for everyone.

So it's sexist to say that domestic violence should have consequences now. Huh.

[Galloism]

Fuck yes, I love sending the right message.

Non sexist treaties for everyone.

So it's sexist to say that domestic violence should have consequences now. Huh.

Vassenor now endorses the gender equivalent of “white lives matter”.

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

Fuck yes, I love sending the right message.

Non sexist treaties for everyone.

So it's sexist to say that domestic violence should have consequences now. Huh.

Fuck yeah cool story, could use some more dragons for realism.