Four Countries Conduct Naval Exercise against China

[Kowani]

Good to see a show against Xi's...general malevolence.

[Rio Cana]

Internally, they say there is a power struggle going on in China between party leaders.

This will explain it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fnW4VOzlKY

[The Yellow Emperor]

Internally, they say there is a power struggle going on in China between party leaders.

This will explain it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fnW4VOzlKY

China Uncensored is well known to be highly unreliable source of information, especially their agenda. I question this kind of source as reliable. Sure there is faction within the Party itself, but I do not see the source as sufficient.

Wake me up when you've finished about how China is an evil country, and how it must be destroyed. Tired of this nonsense and the preaching of how human rights are violated yet do this nonsense.

So do you condone ethnic cleansing?

I've never said the ethnicity cleansing, sure it is questionable. But what I see is different from what others may view. Sure, certain areas are subject to sensitive issues, however, I do not see the issue at best. National Security is upmost importance for large countries such as China, and other nations respectively. The Xinjiang Issue itself stems from policies relating to the act of terrorists conducted by the Islamists (East Turkimenstan Paty) -- Looking at their history of the region; it's been part of China, according to the sources regarding the Protectorate of the Western Regions during the Han dynasty or the Tang Protectorate at that time.

I question other countries motives on the matter; nor do I understand the policies. It is simply poking China and causing the relationship as nations to drop. Regional co-operation is China's best interest, for regional stability, and the promotion of peace. I'd like to echo @Nobel Hobos 2's comment which I would frankly agree:

I really wish Australia would opt out of this American-led aggression. It does not serve Australia's interest, nor India's, it's all about the US fucking itself up and looking for someone to blame.

Australia, musn't and should not join the bandwagon party with these countries at all. It does not represent Australia's interest at all, and frankly this sours our relationship with them at best. It is rather insulting that the United States considers Australia as their so-called deputy sheriff.

From what I've seen, the comments here are all fantasy with their wish of unrealistic policies at best. I further question on the matter of the treaties that the US has not yet ratified; an leading example of one can considered as the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. The arguments I've seen across the forums is patheic and at best, should be ashamed.

As Nobel Hobos 2 said, I do agree with the comment wholeheartly:

I'm not very interested in your agenda of "making China collapse" because I expect it would take a decade or more and in the meantime the US is just going to use my country as a base, and my country will be stuck on the same side as the US. In a second Cold War.

Your fantasy coalition is less attractive to me than continuing peaceful trade with China, as with any other nation, regardless of their internal affairs.

All this "China cheats at trade" because you can't admit that your own capitalists betrayed you and China plays a smarter game in trade than you do, it's just pathetic.

The UNCLOS which deals specifically with SCS, which is what United States moan about in spite of not ratifying it. Here is the source of the parties as agreed. Happily we have ASEAN which seeks to make sure peace is maintained in SEA...

[Novus America]

Whataboutism is not a defense, it is and admission of guilt. If you say “but the US is bad too” you admit you are bad.

And the motive here is simple. Xi and the PRC want dominance, not cooperation. The want to replace us, not work with us.

We do not want to be dominated by the PRC. We do not want them to control our economies, keep trying to ban us from speaking our minds, keep trying to make their system, which is mutual exclusive to ours, replace ours. Or steal territories, kill our soldiers. If the PRC only wants cooperation with are those Indian soldiers dead?

Cooperation might be in the PRC’s best interests but Xi disagrees. Xi does not want to cooperate. It is worship and obey him without question or be crushed. It does not matter if your are Chinese Muslin, Indian, American, he tolerates no disagreement or dissent against him.

So if we want to survive we have to fight for our systems.

We do not like him, his system, and we will not obey him or worship him. And he will try to beat us into submission, and we must fight back.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

And he will try to beat us into submission, and we must fight back.

Making illegal claims in the SCS, and handing our asses to us in peaceful trade, do not amount to an attempt to beat us into submission.

You're just inventing a casus belli and there's no point speculating why. The US has form doing that.

[Picairn]

I've never said the ethnicity cleansing, sure it is questionable. But what I see is different from what others may view. Sure, certain areas are subject to sensitive issues, however, I do not see the issue at best.

Are you turning a blind eye to ethnic cleansing and genocide? We have drone footage of Uighurs being shackled and transported like dogs to camps.

National Security is upmost importance for large countries such as China, and other nations respectively. The Xinjiang Issue itself stems from policies relating to the act of terrorists conducted by the Islamists (East Turkimenstan Paty) -- Looking at their history of the region; it's been part of China, according to the sources regarding the Protectorate of the Western Regions during the Han dynasty or the Tang Protectorate at that time.

National Security is not a justification for transporting innocent people to concentration camps. Arguments stemming from NaTiOnAL SoVeReiGnTy have been used to justify genocide and human rights abuses.

I question other countries motives on the matter; nor do I understand the policies. It is simply poking China and causing the relationship as nations to drop. Regional co-operation is China's best interest, for regional stability, and the promotion of peace. I'd like to echo @Nobel Hobos 2's comment which I would frankly agree:

I really wish Australia would opt out of this American-led aggression. It does not serve Australia's interest, nor India's, it's all about the US fucking itself up and looking for someone to blame.

Australia, musn't and should not join the bandwagon party with these countries at all. It does not represent Australia's interest at all, and frankly this sours our relationship with them at best. It is rather insulting that the United States considers Australia as their so-called deputy sheriff.

Nobel Hobos 2, and you, seems to be ignoring the increasing grip of China upon other countries' economies and national security. Ironic, since China claims its interest is in mutual cooperation and such like. Pretty please, the ASEAN countries, India, and Japan all know China's BS too well, from the aggression on the SCS to border clashes. If "the promotion of peace" means all of that, then "War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength" indeed.

From what I've seen, the comments here are all fantasy with their wish of unrealistic policies at best. I further question on the matter of the treaties that the US has not yet ratified; an leading example of one can considered as the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. The arguments I've seen across the forums is patheic and at best, should be ashamed.

Ironic, since a few posts ago you were condoning ethnic cleansing with the cries of "NaTiOnAL SoVeReiGNtY!"

As Nobel Hobos 2 said, I do agree with the comment wholeheartly:

I'm not very interested in your agenda of "making China collapse" because I expect it would take a decade or more and in the meantime the US is just going to use my country as a base, and my country will be stuck on the same side as the US. In a second Cold War.

Your fantasy coalition is less attractive to me than continuing peaceful trade with China, as with any other nation, regardless of their internal affairs.

All this "China cheats at trade" because you can't admit that your own capitalists betrayed you and China plays a smarter game in trade than you do, it's just pathetic.

The UNCLOS which deals specifically with SCS, which is what United States moan about in spite of not ratifying it. Here is the source of the parties as agreed. Happily we have ASEAN which seeks to make sure peace is maintained in SEA...

Nobel Hobos 2 are essentially arguing in support of China taking advantage of other countries' economies with ruthless mercantilism and debt trap diplomacy, including defenseless Third World countries, all in the name of a fragile "peace". Reminds me of Neville Chamberlain's appeasement for a peace that never came...

Also, whataboutism and deflection to the US do not justify China's aggression on the SCS. Do you realize that all of China's neighbors hate China with a passion?

[The Hindustani State]

I really wish Australia would opt out of this American-led aggression. It does not serve Australia's interest, nor India's, it's all about the US fucking itself up and looking for someone to blame.

At least until November. Let's see if the next US President will put America's balls on the line, before we put ours.

What is the US blaming? How did it fuck itself up by doing the Quad Naval Exercise?

[Aureumterra]

I may have found a theme for a potential invasion of China