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Tolopel wrote:

Adamede wrote:China want's to assert it's dominance over the western Pacific Ocean.

oh god
like the japanese empire?

More or less.

Tolopel wrote:

Adamede wrote:China want's to assert it's dominance over the western Pacific Ocean.

oh god
like the japanese empire?

Eh, probably less directly involved than what the Japanese wanted, but pretty close.

Wallenburg wrote:Always nice when OP tries to scare the ever loving shit out of everyone over almost nothing.

As if PRC planes violating Taiwan's airspace is suddenly a new thing.

Tolopel wrote:

Adamede wrote:China want's to assert it's dominance over the western Pacific Ocean.

oh god
like the japanese empire?

Pretty much, its plans and ideologue bear much in common with those of imperial Japan of the 30s, but of course with the “Han race as nucleus”/big brother/overlord rather than the “Yamato race as nucleus”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Inve ... as_Nucleus

Stellar Colonies wrote:

Wallenburg wrote:Always nice when OP tries to scare the ever loving shit out of everyone over almost nothing.

As if PRC planes violating Taiwan's airspace is suddenly a new thing.

True it is not new, but this is an unusually high amount of incursions.
Although I do not think it is likely the PRC is planning an imminent invasion, we still have to keep and eye out. Xi is reckless and unpredictable, much more than is predecessors (after Mao at least).

Novus America wrote:

Tolopel wrote:oh god
like the japanese empire?

Pretty much, its plans and ideologue bear much in common with those of imperial Japan of the 30s, but of course with the “Han race as nucleus”/big brother/overlord rather than the “Yamato race as nucleus”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Inve ... as_Nucleus

UN probably isn't going to like this

Novus America wrote:

Stellar Colonies wrote:As if PRC planes violating Taiwan's airspace is suddenly a new thing.

True it is not new, but this is an unusually high amount of incursions.
Although I do not think it is likely the PRC is planning an imminent invasion, we still have to keep and eye out. Xi is reckless and unpredictable, much more than is predecessors (after Mao at least).

I agree.

Tolopel wrote:

Novus America wrote:
Pretty much, its plans and ideologue bear much in common with those of imperial Japan of the 30s, but of course with the “Han race as nucleus”/big brother/overlord rather than the “Yamato race as nucleus”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Inve ... as_Nucleus

UN Everyone not part of the "nucleus race" probably isn't going to like this

FTFY.

The Reformed American Republic wrote:Well, maybe we should show a little more force of our own.

The unfortunate issue with that is that lately there's been a couple stories showing that the US navy is having various issues, particularly in the pacific side of things. You have one LCS swanning around the pacific with one incredibly obviously empty missile tube 9 months after firing it, which is a concern as that's either one hell of a logistics issue, or someone just doesn't care enough.
( Source: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... ng-one-off : I'm not sure on how reliable a source this is, but the picture itself shows that the tube is unloaded, which is unusual as hell)

There's also that other ship (the USS Bonhomme Richard) that seems to be either an extreme reconstruction or total write off post a fire in the docks. Considering it was one of the few ships capable of carrying the F-35, it's a significant loss.
(source: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/19/asia ... index.html )

I know you guys obviously have far more kit than that, but this year's had some pretty well publicized issues with the US navy. Might be making the PRC feel like it has a chance to get something sneaky in, I.E. what it's doing here. Maybe they're hoping for a quick enough campaign to sweep in before you guys can arrive? Who knows.

The LCS was intended to be abandoned should it ever receive a hit for the record. It's intended job were pretty much the duties of a glorified police frigate.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:The LCS was intended to be abandoned should it ever receive a hit for the record. It's intended job were pretty much the duties of a glorified police frigate.

A ship is still a ship, when it comes down to a fight. It being a glorified police frigate doesn't explain why it's missing a vital part of it's armament 9 months down the line from firing it? It's the sort of show of either weakness or complacency that places like the PRC would happily take as a sign that they can do what they want as the USN isn't equipping itself for a fight properly.

Novus America wrote:

-Astoria- wrote:That's not likely to happen anytime soon; we're too busy fighting amongst ourselves within our own nations over fuck alone knows - it would've been more feasible 60 years ago.

I agree, hence the in theory part. Also there is the huge cultural divide between Africa North and South of the Sahara, plus other less obvious but still big divides. Outsiders tend to look at Africa as one monolithic culture and entity which completely overlooks the complexities and diversity of the continent.

Africa had a lot of bad luck as time went on. It was relegated to the back peddle and went into decline and failed to advance as quickly as Europe, then it had a divide and conquer colonial break up of the area by European powers. After they left, there were attempts to improve the region, though it rapidly became a collection of corrupt tin-pot dictatorships that peddle anti-colonialist ideology to keep in power and keep the wealth in their own hands. South Africa while called a 'democracy' deals with labor disputes by killing the miners, and nationalizes farms rather than do anything to actually stimulate the economy and create jobs. Ethiopia is probably the best off in the long-term and I have my hopes that a few other African countries might escape the toxic cycle of violence and corruption and lead Africa out of it. That said, there are gross violations of human rights by all of them.

Adamede wrote:

Tolopel wrote:china why doe

China want's to assert it's dominance over the western Pacific Ocean.

Isn't Taiwan the eastern pacific? Or is there some weird thing because the Pacific crosses hemispheres?

As a Filipino, the implications that it may have on my country alone is already terrifying. If the Chinese can do this to Taiwan, they can make more overt shows to force the Philippines into its Sphere of Influence. It also poses a large security threat to the wider SEA region.

Alistan Democratic Nation wrote:As a Filipino, the implications that it may have on my country alone is already terrifying. If the Chinese can do this to Taiwan, they can make more overt shows to force the Philippines into its Sphere of Influence. It also poses a large security threat to the wider SEA region.

Not helping is how our President seems hell-bent on shutting dissent out the way the Red Chinese are doing.

Alistan Democratic Nation wrote:As a Filipino, the implications that it may have on my country alone is already terrifying. If the Chinese can do this to Taiwan, they can make more overt shows to force the Philippines into its Sphere of Influence. It also poses a large security threat to the wider SEA region.

We need a far east NATO equivalent to oppose China. Many small, weaker nations near China for them to exploit. Unity should be important for these nations. Taiwan will not be the last if it falls.

Mushet wrote:

Adamede wrote:China want's to assert it's dominance over the western Pacific Ocean.

Isn't Taiwan the eastern pacific? Or is there some weird thing because the Pacific crosses hemispheres?

Western Pacific.

America is the Eastern Pacific.

New Visayan Islands wrote:

Alistan Democratic Nation wrote:As a Filipino, the implications that it may have on my country alone is already terrifying. If the Chinese can do this to Taiwan, they can make more overt shows to force the Philippines into its Sphere of Influence. It also poses a large security threat to the wider SEA region.

Not helping is how our President seems hell-bent on shutting dissent out the way the Red Chinese are doing.

And him being generally too friendly towards Xi Jinping.

Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:

New Visayan Islands wrote:Not helping is how our President seems hell-bent on shutting dissent out the way the Red Chinese are doing.

And him being generally too friendly towards Xi Jinping.

Sounds almost like code for something that would cause the Mods to tear me a new and bloody one if I were to describe it in detail, if you ask me.

Mushet wrote:

Adamede wrote:China want's to assert it's dominance over the western Pacific Ocean.

Isn't Taiwan the eastern pacific? Or is there some weird thing because the Pacific crosses hemispheres?

So just as the western Atlantic is along the eastern coast of the Americas, the eastern coast of Asia is the western Pacific.

Rusozak wrote:

Alistan Democratic Nation wrote:As a Filipino, the implications that it may have on my country alone is already terrifying. If the Chinese can do this to Taiwan, they can make more overt shows to force the Philippines into its Sphere of Influence. It also poses a large security threat to the wider SEA region.

We need a far east NATO equivalent to oppose China. Many small, weaker nations near China for them to exploit. Unity should be important for these nations. Taiwan will not be the last if it falls.

So a revived SEATO?

New Visayan Islands wrote:

Rusozak wrote:
We need a far east NATO equivalent to oppose China. Many small, weaker nations near China for them to exploit. Unity should be important for these nations. Taiwan will not be the last if it falls.

So a revived SEATO?

Probably. APDEC (Asia-Pacific Defence and Economic Cooperative) sounds nice to me. Not exactly a fan of having yet another TO group after NATO.

New Visayan Islands wrote:

Rusozak wrote:
We need a far east NATO equivalent to oppose China. Many small, weaker nations near China for them to exploit. Unity should be important for these nations. Taiwan will not be the last if it falls.

So a revived SEATO?

But more expansive. Maybe "far east" was a mistake. Rather, every country near China that has problems with China. That way the PRC can't Anschluss a neighbor without their entire border becoming a front line.

Rusozak wrote:

New Visayan Islands wrote:So a revived SEATO?

But more expansive. Maybe "far east" was a mistake. Rather, every country near China that has problems with China. That way the PRC can't Anschluss a neighbor without their entire border becoming a front line.

Ideally such an Alliance should include the US, India, Australia, Japan, Malaysia, Taiwan, Vietnam, Indonesia and the Philippines. As the PRC is a threat to all.
Although unfortunately I do not think that is likely to happen soon.

Not really surprising. This sort of thing has been going on ever since integrated air defence was invented. We used to do it to the USSR constantly in the cold war, sending planes directly towards their territory and then peeling off at the last second; and they did it right back too. Hell, they are still doing it.