Taiwan: Chinese Sending Military Planes "Almost Daily"

[Picairn]

How many countries has China destroyed in the past ten years? Certainly not as many as the USA.

The 1979 invasion of Vietnam and 1974 occupation of the Paracel Islands, the Taiwan Strait Crises, border clashes with India, contesting islands with Japan and South Korea, debt trap diplomacy with African nations... Yep, in the last several decades China has been busy with its neighbors.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

How many countries has China destroyed in the past ten years? Certainly not as many as the USA.

The 1979 invasion of Vietnam and 1974 occupation of the Paracel Islands, the Taiwan Strait Crises, border clashes with India, contesting islands with Japan and South Korea, debt trap diplomacy with African nations... Yep, in the last several decades China has been busy with its neighbors.

*looks at PRC'ian Imperialism in Africa*
Those guys makes the Scramble for Africa look like a joke.

[New haven america]

1. Yes, the Soviet Union stopped existing in 1991.
2. Yes, that is correct. It's actually quite normal for superpowers to try and do so as well. Macedonian Greece, Rome, Mongolia, Spain, France, UK, Japan, etc... So the fact that the US isn't is quite abnormal.

1.But there are still Russia and China
2.First of all, when the United States was founded, there were only 13 states.The United States acquired land on the East Bank of the Mississippi River in 1783, Louisiana from Napoleon in 1803, Florida from Spain in 1819, Texas, New Mexico, Oregon and California in 1845-1853, Alaska from Russia in 1867, and the Hawaiian Islands in 1898.Cuba, the Philippines and so on were colonies and protectors of the United States. Japan, South Korea, South Vietnam and South Vietnam are all vassals of the United States.The United States is just acting too late. Before the invention of the nuclear bomb, the British Empire and the French Empire have not yet disintegrated.But it could still rob Spanish colonies.

1. Russia isn't the USSR and both countries are still stuck in the 90's militarily.
2. Thank you for explaining my own country's history to me, IDK what it has to do with anything, and I'm sure most people reading this thread feel the same.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

All of this "But America!" whataboutism pulled straight from r/Sino makes my brain hurt. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Furthermore, for all the faults and war crimes America committed, at least it allows a semblance of autonomous freedom and regional stability for the countries of the world (aside from the Middle East, of course). Who here wants to return to multi-polar post-WW1 order, full of violence and tension between empires?

Emmm....America allows .Hello,Master of the world

[Orostan]

How many countries has China destroyed in the past ten years? Certainly not as many as the USA.

The 1979 invasion of Vietnam and 1974 occupation of the Paracel Islands, the Taiwan Strait Crises, border clashes with India, contesting islands with Japan and South Korea, debt trap diplomacy with African nations... Yep, in the last several decades China has been busy with its neighbors.

I said in the past ten years, and if we extend the time we are looking at to the 1970s America appears much worse compared to China than it already does. Haven’t you ever heard of Pinochet, Nicaragua, The Iran-Iraq war, and all the others? Besides that China lost in Vietnam and America did not lose in Iraq, Libya, or every South American country it has destroyed.

China’s “debt trap” diplomacy also only works because it provides a better deal than the western backed IMF does - if America decided it wanted to stop pillaging Africa China wouldn’t be able to get in.

[Nevertopia]

List of International entities the CCP has gone out of its way to piss off:

Philippines
Japan
Taiwan
Hong Kong
India
Russia
The united kingdom
Thailand
Indonesia
The Muslim community in general
Malaysia
Cambodia
The US
South Korea
France

I dont know what the CCP is thinking, they've basically boxed themselves in. Every nation in the south asian sea hates them, they've burned every humanitarian bridge they have with western society, they're surrounded by brittle and/or crumbling alliances with european and middle-eastern countries, and russia only cares about russia.

They're in for a shitshow by mid 2020s. Calling it now. Its only a matter of time until everybody realizes the CCP dont have any friends left.

[Slavakino]

1.But there are still Russia and China
2.First of all, when the United States was founded, there were only 13 states.The United States acquired land on the East Bank of the Mississippi River in 1783, Louisiana from Napoleon in 1803, Florida from Spain in 1819, Texas, New Mexico, Oregon and California in 1845-1853, Alaska from Russia in 1867, and the Hawaiian Islands in 1898.Cuba, the Philippines and so on were colonies and protectors of the United States. Japan, South Korea, South Vietnam and South Vietnam are all vassals of the United States.The United States is just acting too late. Before the invention of the nuclear bomb, the British Empire and the French Empire have not yet disintegrated.But it could still rob Spanish colonies.

1. Russia isn't the USSR and both countries are still stuck in the 90's militarily.

Not for Russia anymore. Rantik program and rapid modernization with the Amarta series of vehicles as well as the T-90M

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

2. Thank you for explaining my own country's history to me, IDK what it has to do with anything, and I'm sure most people reading this thread feel the same.

I mean it's an attempt to bothsame two Empires essentially and boils down to which Imperial Power you would prefer. Frankly, even though the Iraq-Libya-Afghanistan messes were bad and objectionable (and note we can object to these colonial wars, which PRC'ian do you ever see object to PRC's very own Scramble for Africa?), at least the American and European powers aren't valuing my worth as a citizen by how much I've heil'd the central regime today, on the pain of being reduced to an Untermensch.

[Picairn]

I said in the past ten years, and if we extend the time we are looking at to the 1970s America appears much worse compared to China than it already does. Haven’t you ever heard of Pinochet, Nicaragua, The Iran-Iraq war, and all the others? Besides that China lost in Vietnam and America did not lose in Iraq, Libya, or every South American country it has destroyed.

China’s “debt trap” diplomacy also only works because it provides a better deal than the western backed IMF does - if America decided it wanted to stop pillaging Africa China wouldn’t be able to get in.

"But America!" whataboutism doesn't justify China's imperialist adventures. You can take it back to r/Sino now. Also China's debt trap diplomacy "works" by seizing oops, I mean "leasing" the area for 99 years after the African countries are unable to pay back the debt.

[Nevertopia]

2. Thank you for explaining my own country's history to me, IDK what it has to do with anything, and I'm sure most people reading this thread feel the same.

I mean it's an attempt to bothsame two Empires essentially and boils down to which Imperial Power you would prefer. Frankly, even though the Iraq-Libya-Afghanistan messes were bad and objectionable (and note we can object to these colonial wars, which PRC'ian do you ever see object to PRC's very own Scramble for Africa?), at least the American and European powers aren't valuing my worth as a citizen by how much I've heil'd the central regime today, on the pain of being reduced to an Untermensch.

tbh I see the next world power coming from Africa. Russia has set itself up as the next global power and the US and China based on how their acting are going to be replaced soon.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I mean "leasing" the area for 99 years after the African countries are unable to pay back the debt.

You know what that reminds me of...

[Shanghai industrial complex]

2. Thank you for explaining my own country's history to me, IDK what it has to do with anything, and I'm sure most people reading this thread feel the same.

I mean it's an attempt to bothsame two Empires essentially and boils down to which Imperial Power you would prefer. Frankly, even though the Iraq-Libya-Afghanistan messes were bad and objectionable (and note we can object to these colonial wars, which PRC'ian do you ever see object to PRC's very own Scramble for Africa?), at least the American and European powers aren't valuing my worth as a citizen by how much I've heil'd the central regime today, on the pain of being reduced to an Untermensch.

Is it a evil thing to lend money to Africa to build electricity, railways and factories?The West has never done anything to help Africa's development in the past decades, and now it is organizing business cooperation in Africa.Why?Africa has stable electricity, clean water and good maintenance of medical facilities now.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

I said in the past ten years, and if we extend the time we are looking at to the 1970s America appears much worse compared to China than it already does. Haven’t you ever heard of Pinochet, Nicaragua, The Iran-Iraq war, and all the others? Besides that China lost in Vietnam and America did not lose in Iraq, Libya, or every South American country it has destroyed.

China’s “debt trap” diplomacy also only works because it provides a better deal than the western backed IMF does - if America decided it wanted to stop pillaging Africa China wouldn’t be able to get in.

"But America!" whataboutism doesn't justify China's imperialist adventures. You can take it back to r/Sino now. Also China's debt trap diplomacy "works" by seizing oops, I mean "leasing" the area for 99 years after the African countries are unable to pay back the debt.

China suspends debt repayment of 77 countriesOh,by the way.This is not the first time that China has cancelled loans to poor countries.Where is the debt trap?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

-snip for clarity-

You are arguing about the merits of colonising Africa.
I argued for the fact that we, residents of Western Europe and America, can, has and will object, with violent riots if necessary to the colonial wars of Western Europe and America. Something you PRC'ians will never be permitted to do for your own colonial wars because that is "anti-reformism". In fact you are being measured right now by how much you've heil'd Chairman Xi today. I don't have to paean the Swedish government at all.

[New haven america]

I mean it's an attempt to bothsame two Empires essentially and boils down to which Imperial Power you would prefer. Frankly, even though the Iraq-Libya-Afghanistan messes were bad and objectionable (and note we can object to these colonial wars, which PRC'ian do you ever see object to PRC's very own Scramble for Africa?), at least the American and European powers aren't valuing my worth as a citizen by how much I've heil'd the central regime today, on the pain of being reduced to an Untermensch.

1. Is it a evil thing to lend money to Africa to build electricity, railways and factories? 2. The West has never done anything to help Africa's development in the past decades, and now it is organizing business cooperation in Africa.Why?Africa has stable electricity, clean water and good maintenance of medical facilities now.

1. If they can't pay it back on purpose, yes, it is evil.
2. Neither has China, and China's currently hampering that development by trapping African countries and tribe in unpayable debt.

You know you're arguing for colonialism, right? Something China's supposed to be wholly against.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I don't have to paean the Swedish government at all.

In fact the situation of being forced to paean my own government like they were ancient Chinese Emperors is wholly alien to me, and I guess to most us who aren't born in PRC or DPRK.

[New haven america]

I don't have to paean the Swedish government at all.

In fact the situation of being forced to paean my own government like they were ancient Chinese Emperors is wholly alien to me, and I guess to most us who aren't born in PRC or DPRK.

In America, hating the US government is a favorite American past time.

[Nevertopia]

In fact the situation of being forced to paean my own government like they were ancient Chinese Emperors is wholly alien to me, and I guess to most us who aren't born in PRC or DPRK.

In America, hating the US government is a favorite American past time.

nothing is more american than hating other americans.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

1. Is it a evil thing to lend money to Africa to build electricity, railways and factories? 2. The West has never done anything to help Africa's development in the past decades, and now it is organizing business cooperation in Africa.Why?Africa has stable electricity, clean water and good maintenance of medical facilities now.

1. If they can't pay it back on purpose, yes, it is evil.
2. Neither has China, and China's currently hampering that development by trapping African countries and tribe in unpayable debt.

You know you're arguing for colonialism, right? Something China's supposed to be wholly against.

1. If they can't pay it back on purpose,China exempted those loans.Is it still colonialism?
2.In the last century, China built the Tanzam Rail free of charge,Now China has also built railways across Africa.Projects in Zimbabwe provide most of the country's electricity.How have these projects hurt African people?Compared with the Western Diamond business in South Africa
By the way, the economic growth rate of these countries invested by China is higher than that of China and India

[New haven america]

1. If they can't pay it back on purpose, yes, it is evil.
2. Neither has China, and China's currently hampering that development by trapping African countries and tribe in unpayable debt.

You know you're arguing for colonialism, right? Something China's supposed to be wholly against.

1. If they can't pay it back on purpose,China exempted those loans.Is it still colonialism?
2.In the last century, China built the Tanzam Rail free of charge,Now China has also built railways across Africa.Projects in Zimbabwe provide most of the country's electricity.How have these projects hurt African people?Compared with the Western Diamond business in South Africa
By the way, the economic growth rate of these countries invested by China is higher than that of China and India

1. China's not exempting the loans though, they're instead negotiating for resources from those countries that those countries could use to make money instead of paying off debts they shouldn't have been given to begin with.
2. Uh, in modern history Southern Africa has always been more economically successful than the rest of sub-Saharan Africa, and China is not the reason for that.

[Costa Fierro]

How many countries has China destroyed in the past ten years? Certainly not as many as the USA.

The 1979 invasion of Vietnam and 1974 occupation of the Paracel Islands, the Taiwan Strait Crises, border clashes with India, contesting islands with Japan and South Korea, debt trap diplomacy with African nations... Yep, in the last several decades China has been busy with its neighbors.

In terms of destroyed I'd say the only one that qualifies is the invasion of Tibet in 1950.

China dabbed on South Vietnam in the Paracels, which is like kicking the crutches out from underneath a cripple, and walked away from the Sino-Vietnamese War with the Spratly Islands. Hardly any meaningful gains. The border clashes with India didn't do jack shit, neither did them fighting the Soviets.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

1. If they can't pay it back on purpose,China exempted those loans.Is it still colonialism?
2.In the last century, China built the Tanzam Rail free of charge,Now China has also built railways across Africa.Projects in Zimbabwe provide most of the country's electricity.How have these projects hurt African people?Compared with the Western Diamond business in South Africa
By the way, the economic growth rate of these countries invested by China is higher than that of China and India

1. China's not exempting the loans though, they're instead negotiating for resources from those countries that those countries could use to make money instead of paying off debts they shouldn't have been given to begin with.
2. Uh, in modern history Southern Africa has always been more economically successful than the rest of sub-Saharan Africa, and China is not the reason for that.

1.China suspends debt repayment of 77 countries
term extensions, refinancing and debt forgiveness the most frequent outcomes
Do you need more?
2.China is not investing in South Africa.It's Tanzania, Kenya, Zambia, Zimbabwe.Their economy is developing well. Tanzania's GDP growth rate last year was 6.5%.China was the main trading country of their mineral business. No, they don't make money. Because the owners of these minerals are not these countries, but large foreign companies.If they dare to nationalize the minerals, Qaddafi is an example.Of course, it is mainly the efforts of the African people themselves. But China has transferred technology to them, trained engineers and built the infrastructure they badly need

[New haven america]

1. China's not exempting the loans though, they're instead negotiating for resources from those countries that those countries could use to make money instead of paying off debts they shouldn't have been given to begin with.
2. Uh, in modern history Southern Africa has always been more economically successful than the rest of sub-Saharan Africa, and China is not the reason for that.

1.China suspends debt repayment of 77 countries
term extensions, refinancing and debt forgiveness the most frequent outcomes
Do you need more?
2.China is not investing in South Africa.It's Tanzania, Kenya, Zambia, Zimbabwe.Their economy is developing well. Tanzania's GDP growth rate last year was 6.5%.China was the main trading country of their mineral business. No, they don't make money. Because the owners of these minerals are not these countries, but large foreign companies.If they dare to nationalize the minerals, Qaddafi is an example.Of course, it is mainly the efforts of the African people themselves. But China has transferred technology to them, trained engineers and built the infrastructure they badly need

1. There's a difference between a loan exemption/forgiveness and pausing a loan, please learn said difference.
2. ... Southern Africa.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

1.China suspends debt repayment of 77 countries
term extensions, refinancing and debt forgiveness the most frequent outcomes
Do you need more?
2.China is not investing in South Africa.It's Tanzania, Kenya, Zambia, Zimbabwe.Their economy is developing well. Tanzania's GDP growth rate last year was 6.5%.China was the main trading country of their mineral business. No, they don't make money. Because the owners of these minerals are not these countries, but large foreign companies.If they dare to nationalize the minerals, Qaddafi is an example.Of course, it is mainly the efforts of the African people themselves. But China has transferred technology to them, trained engineers and built the infrastructure they badly need

1. There's a difference between a loan exemption/forgiveness and pausing a loan, please learn said difference.
2. ... Southern Africa.

1. Elsewhere, Chinese lenders have been forgiving to debtor nations and institutions unable to repay their BRI debts. The consultancy Rhodium examined 38 BRI loans over the past decade where 24 borrowing nations had difficulty meeting repayments. It found 14 debt write-offs (involving Botswana, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cuba, Ghana, Lesotho, Mozambique, Sudan, Vanuatu and Zimbabwe), 11 repayment deferrals, and various refinancing and debt term changes. In total, about US$50bn of Chinese loans have been renegotiated so far.
?where is wrong?Another article about $50bn
2.OK....So they still have the ability to repay these debts?

[New haven america]

1. There's a difference between a loan exemption/forgiveness and pausing a loan, please learn said difference.
2. ... Southern Africa.

1. Elsewhere, Chinese lenders have been forgiving to debtor nations and institutions unable to repay their BRI debts. The consultancy Rhodium examined 38 BRI loans over the past decade where 24 borrowing nations had difficulty meeting repayments. It found 14 debt write-offs (involving Botswana, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cuba, Ghana, Lesotho, Mozambique, Sudan, Vanuatu and Zimbabwe), 11 repayment deferrals, and various refinancing and debt term changes. In total, about US$50bn of Chinese loans have been renegotiated so far.
?where is wrong?
2.OK....So they still have the ability to repay these debts?

1. Again, China has renegotiated money for natural resources. Please, follow along, it's getting annoying having to repeat myself.
2. See point 1.