Taiwan: Chinese Sending Military Planes "Almost Daily"

[Kowani]

Not supporting china or anything but I'm sure that the Chinese do not commit genocide, I'm sure they send them to concentration camps (or in this case "re-education camps") which aren't made to kill/genocide. Concentration camps are a way to detain minorities or a certain group of people for no reason to keep them imprisoned. The way I see it, China has its own Guantanamo Bay but for not criminals, but rather minorities. I have not heard of any open executions on these people

Oh, I’m not denying the camps exist. They do. But they’re more likely semi-voluntary ‘re-education’ camps than extermination facilities.

The hell does semi-voluntary mean-

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

how do you feel about China's genocide of the Uighurs out of fear of terror attacks that weren't even a thing before they started?

Not supporting china or anything but I'm sure that the Chinese do not commit genocide, I'm sure they send them to concentration camps (or in this case "re-education camps") which aren't made to kill/genocide. Concentration camps are a way to detain minorities or a certain group of people for no reason to keep them imprisoned. The way I see it, China has its own Guantanamo Bay but for not criminals, but rather minorities. I have not heard of any open executions on these people

You don't have to openly mass execute people to commit genocide. It's enough with forced breeding control and cultural eradication. See Genocide Convention Article 2 sections c, d and e:

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Of note is that PRC is a ratified signatory to this convention.

[New Visayan Islands]

Not supporting china or anything but I'm sure that the Chinese do not commit genocide, I'm sure they send them to concentration camps (or in this case "re-education camps") which aren't made to kill/genocide. Concentration camps are a way to detain minorities or a certain group of people for no reason to keep them imprisoned. The way I see it, China has its own Guantanamo Bay but for not criminals, but rather minorities. I have not heard of any open executions on these people

Oh, I’m not denying the camps exist. They do. But they’re more likely semi-voluntary ‘re-education’ camps than extermination facilities.

Essentially we-swear-to-Mao-they're-not-gulags, then.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

After Sudetenland it's the rest of Czechoslovakia I see.

I have a feeling we’re Poland.

[Picairn]

I have a feeling we’re Poland.

Vietnam has a higher chance to be Poland, since it actually borders China.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I have a feeling we’re Poland.

Vietnam has a higher chance to be Poland, since it actually borders China.

PRC doesn't want Vietnam beyond its seas. What PRC wants is power projection beyond the International Date Line, thus removing their No. 1 enemy USA from the Pacific Theatre, establishing their long sought after total hegemony.

[Purpelia]

Vietnam has a higher chance to be Poland, since it actually borders China.

PRC doesn't want Vietnam beyond its seas. What PRC wants is power projection beyond the International Date Line, thus removing their No. 1 enemy USA from the Pacific Theatre, establishing their long sought after total hegemony.

What the PRC wants is regional hegemony for the understandable purposes of not having their nation undermined and them self "democratized" at the first sign of weakness like the Soviet Union was. And part of that is of course pushing away american client states in the region.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

You can continue to be so militaristic and seething with hatred for China all you want, it doesn't repudiate the facts. I would love to know truthfully how many friends you have from mainland China, who have far more authority with which to speak of China than any of you, or me. I base most of my opinions on China from those with the first-hand knowledge to speak of it. Xi Jinping for one is exceptionally popular in China, especially amongst the poorest people there. They can finally feel that China is a great nation, after so much suffering for hundreds of years.

Honestly from reading the comments on this thread the only conclusion I can come up with is that you feel threatened. Furthermore, saying I or any other pro-China person outside of China, especially in the west, is brainwashed just doesn't really stack up. If I was brainwashed by propaganda, it would be far more likely to be a lot closer to home, like all of The Washington Post, NYT, billionaire-owned, corporate newspapers that you read, most of which's articles on China make absolutely no mention of reliable sources.

Not so long ago I was pretty anti-China too, until I actually bothered to look at other points of view, something which is clearly lacking amongst the majority of those in this thread.

Quite a few of us are pretty well involved with the Hong Kong thread, where Infected Mushrooms and a few others spread rather pro-CCP viewpoints. China is a pioneer in many fields, I don’t think many of us deny that. We’d rather have a different government ruling it than the overly expansionist and authoritarian one right now.

I’ve also made it a point to say anti-CCP instead of anti-China, because I love the culture and customs of the country. The government, not so much. This is coming from a person who could be in the direct field of CCP future plans.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Vietnam has a higher chance to be Poland, since it actually borders China.

PRC doesn't want Vietnam beyond its seas. What PRC wants is power projection beyond the International Date Line, thus removing their No. 1 enemy USA from the Pacific Theatre, establishing their long sought after total hegemony.

And that goal needs to be achieved in steps. The first step was claiming a few trade chokepoints, the next is probably establishing dominance in the First Island Chain.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

PRC doesn't want Vietnam beyond its seas. What PRC wants is power projection beyond the International Date Line, thus removing their No. 1 enemy USA from the Pacific Theatre, establishing their long sought after total hegemony.

What the PRC wants is regional hegemony for the understandable purposes of not having their nation undermined and them self "democratized" at the first sign of weakness like the Soviet Union was. And part of that is of course pushing away american client states in the region.

What the PRC wants is Großchinesischer Reich Chinesisches Nation.

[Purpelia]

What the PRC wants is regional hegemony for the understandable purposes of not having their nation undermined and them self "democratized" at the first sign of weakness like the Soviet Union was. And part of that is of course pushing away american client states in the region.

What the PRC wants is Grosschinesischer Reich Chinesisches Nation.

What they want is security from external threats and prosperity for their social, political and economic system. Everything any nation wants. China is not some sort of evil empire hell bent on conquering the world. That's the americans.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

The relations between China and Taiwan are always likely to follow a pattern not dissimilar to that of the US and Cuba. Mutual suspicion.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What the PRC wants is Grosschinesischer Reich Chinesisches Nation.

What they want is security from external threats and prosperity for their social, political and economic system. Everything any nation wants. China is not some sort of evil empire hell bent on conquering the world. That's the americans.

Your ideological dogmatism blinds you to the fact that Peking is creating its own Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere under unquestionable Han racial dominance.

[New haven america]

1. No actually, a lot of revolutions are to remove people from power, or for unification, or for separation, and can be completely peaceful like the Velvet Revolution. The American Revolution for example didn't actually start out as a war for independence, it started out as an uprising to try and gain representation in British Parliament that then evolved into wanting independence ~2-3 years into the Revolution.

2. The claims are actually quite in line with how the CCP acts and have a lot of factual basis.

3. They're moving the Uighurs, a group you claim is not being put through genocide, onto a train to a concentration camp. Proving both that concentration camps are in China and genocide is a very real possibility.

4. So says the person who's done nothing so far but post CCP propaganda?

Remember, there is no war in Ba Sing Se.

1. When you remove someone from power you are doing it to put a different person in power. The point of any movement is to get in some position of power, by violence or other means.

2. There is not. The most evidence you’ve shown is China moving prisoners on a train somewhere.

3. Prisoner transport by rail does not prove a concentration camp is the destination. There is no evidence that China is committing any sort of genocide.

4. >facts are Chinese propaganda

5. this is funny coming from a Redditor who eats up whatever the CIA upvotes.

1. Not always, no.
2. There is no war in Ba Sing Se
3. Here, here, here, and here. Anything else?
4. No, Chinese propaganda is Chinese propaganda, and you bought it hook, line, and sinker.
5. lol, I don't use Reddit. But it's ok, I know coming up with original insults and ad homs are hard when faced with actual facts that go against the useless bullshit you keep posting. Please, keep trying though, I'm sure you might create a post that has something of actual value eventually. Probably not anytime soon though so I'm not holding my breath.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere

And I use this infamous phrase quite deliberately since:
A. Both political entities (Imperial Japan and PRC) wishes to rid Asia of the so-called "Western dogs".
B. Both wishes to establish an eternal hegemony under the headship of their own favoured ethnicity/race.
C. Both wishes to achieve this via the tools of heedless expansionism, imperialism and colonialism.

[Purpelia]

What they want is security from external threats and prosperity for their social, political and economic system. Everything any nation wants. China is not some sort of evil empire hell bent on conquering the world. That's the americans.

Your ideological dogmatism blinds you to the fact that Peking is creating its own Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere under unquestionable Han racial dominance.

No, I am fully aware that is what they are doing. What I am saying is that this is reasonable and understandable behavior for any nation to do. And that it is not at all the insane fearmongering spread by people who think that the next step is painting the world red. I don't complain when america influences Canada and Mexico either. Of course it does and it bloody well has to in order to secure its own borders. I only take issue with nations that can't limit their sphere of influence to places where they have real security interests and try to actually take over the world.

[New haven america]

What the PRC wants is Grosschinesischer Reich Chinesisches Nation.

What they want is security from external threats and prosperity for their social, political and economic system. Everything any nation wants. China is not some sort of evil empire hell bent on conquering the world. That's the americans.

The irony in this statement being America is totally equipped to conquer the world but is voluntarily choosing not to do so.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Your ideological dogmatism blinds you to the fact that Peking is creating its own Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere under unquestionable Han racial dominance.

No, I am fully aware that is what they are doing. What I am saying is that this is reasonable and understandable behavior for any nation to do. And that it is not at all the insane fearmongering spread by people who think that the next step is painting the world red.

Considering the last time somebody tried the "Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" thing we got the Rape of Korea, China, Indo-China, Taiwan, Philippines... I'd say there is nothing reasonable about this, or that this is not objectionable.

[New haven america]

Your ideological dogmatism blinds you to the fact that Peking is creating its own Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere under unquestionable Han racial dominance.

No, I am fully aware that is what they are doing. 1. What I am saying is that this is reasonable and understandable behavior for any nation to do. And that it is not at all the insane fearmongering spread by people who think that the next step is painting the world red. 2. I don't complain when america influences Canada and Mexico either. 3. Of course it does and it bloody well has to in order to secure its own borders. I only take issue with nations that can't limit their sphere of influence to places where they have real security interests and try to actually take over the world.

1. So you agree with Genocide and the rape of entire countries?
2. Probably because you don't like in any of the 3 countries mentioned.
3. Actually, no country in North America has to do so, and didn't for the majority of the continent's history under Western control.

[Purpelia]

No, I am fully aware that is what they are doing. What I am saying is that this is reasonable and understandable behavior for any nation to do. And that it is not at all the insane fearmongering spread by people who think that the next step is painting the world red.

Considering the last time somebody tried the "Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" thing we got the Rape of Nanking I'd say there is nothing reasonable about this.

And there you go again with the unfounded paranoid claims.

China is not Imperial Japan. They have no interests in conquering new lands and raping their people. All they want is to carve out their sphere of influence in the far east just the same as america did in the americas and the EU and Russia are doing in Europe. Nothing sinister there. Spheres of influence are the natural order of things in world politics. The only evil is when a nation thinks it owns the whole world.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Considering the last time somebody tried the "Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" thing we got the Rape of Nanking I'd say there is nothing reasonable about this.

And there you go again with the unfounded paranoid claims.

China is not Imperial Japan. They have no interests in conquering new lands and raping their people. All they want is to carve out their sphere of influence in the far east just the same as america did in the americas and the EU and Russia are doing in Europe. Nothing sinister there. Spheres of influence are the natural order of things in world politics. The only evil is when a nation thinks it owns the whole world.

Japan is not of PRC thank you very much. Neither are 90% of the countries (minus DPRK that is) Peking thinks is theirs.

[New haven america]

Considering the last time somebody tried the "Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" thing we got the Rape of Nanking I'd say there is nothing reasonable about this.

1. And there you go again with the unfounded paranoid claims.

2. China is not Imperial Japan. 3. They have no interests in conquering new lands and raping their people. 4. All they want is to carve out their sphere of influence in the far east just the same as america did in the americas and the EU and Russia are doing in Europe. 5. Nothing sinister there. Spheres of influence are the natural order of things in world politics. 6. The only evil is when a nation thinks it owns the whole world.

1. Considering what you've posted in this thread alone and other threads relating to the issue of national security, I can confirm that they are well reasoned, un-paranoid statements.
2. That is correct, it's closer to Nazi Germany atm.
3. I'm sure India, Tibet, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei, and The Philippines would agree with this assessment.
4. So they do want to be like Imperial Japan?
5. Genocide and nationwide rape ain't sinister, got it.
6. Yeah, well, economically China owns the whole world.

[Purpelia]

So you agree with Genocide and the rape of entire countries?

If I have to choose between the PRC that has frankly done nothing much wrong compared to america or america, the nation which goes around the planet literally burning babies to death and literally raping nations millions of kilometers away for the crime of disobedience the PRC is my choice. Maybe one day the PRC will start doing the same heinous monstrous imperialism america does at which point my opinion is naturally subject to change. But they have a hell of a lot of dead babies to pile on to get there.

Regional imperialism is simply something we have to accept because it is the natural and unavoidable order of things. It is how every rational nation behaves or desires to behave. And indeed it is the only way it can behave lest it become a victim of the same behavior by its neighbors. It is an evil, but an understandable and unavoidable one. There is however no excuse for imperialism going beyond that and on to the rest of the world. A thief who steals to survive is scum, but understandable scum. One who steals out of greed and not necessity is just scum.

2. Probably because you don't like in any of the 3 countries mentioned.

I am actually quite fond of Canada. More than america by any stretch. Thing is you seem to be missing a key part of the equation here. It's supposed to be mutual. As in, every country is constantly trapped in a tug of war with its neighbors over regional domination. Some times this is war, some times its economic dominance and some times it's diplomatic overlordship such as the case of the EU. But it's always about being on top of those around you in order to make sure they don't get on top of you. Canada has as much incentive to try and dominate the us as the us has to dominate Canada. The us just happens to be better at pulling at this point in history.

3. Actually, no country in North America has to do so, and didn't for the majority of the continent's history under Western control.

Every country in human history that has been able to, and many that have not, have always striven for regional domination over their neighbors. It's simply the only logical and safe course of action for a country to take.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

1. And there you go again with the unfounded paranoid claims.

2. China is not Imperial Japan. 3. They have no interests in conquering new lands and raping their people. 4. All they want is to carve out their sphere of influence in the far east just the same as america did in the americas and the EU and Russia are doing in Europe. 5. Nothing sinister there. Spheres of influence are the natural order of things in world politics. 6. The only evil is when a nation thinks it owns the whole world.

1. Considering what you've posted in this thread alone and other threads relating to the issue of national security, I can confirm that they are well reasoned, un-paranoid statements.
2. That is correct, it's closer to Nazi Germany atm.
3. I'm sure India, Tibet, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei, and The Philippines would agree with this assessment.
4. So they do want to be like Imperial Japan?
5. Genocide and nationwide rape ain't sinister, got it.
6. Yeah, well, economically China owns the whole world.

Actually I think the points Purp raised were the exact same ones Tokyo used to justify the original GEACP, plus the anti-Westernism ofc. <.>

[New haven america]

So you agree with Genocide and the rape of entire countries?

1. If I have to choose between the PRC that has frankly done nothing much wrong compared to america or america, the nation which goes around the planet literally burning babies to death and literally raping nations millions of kilometers away for the crime of disobedience the PRC is my choice. Maybe one day the PRC will start doing the same heinous monstrous imperialism america does at which point my opinion is naturally subject to change. But they have a hell of a lot of dead babies to pile on to get there.

2. Probably because you don't like in any of the 3 countries mentioned.

2. I am actually quite fond of Canada. More than america by any stretch. Thing is you seem to be missing a key part of the equation here. It's supposed to be mutual. As in, every country is constantly trapped in a tug of war with its neighbors over regional domination. Some times this is war, some times its economic dominance and some times it's diplomatic overlordship such as the case of the EU. But it's always about being on top of those around you in order to make sure they don't get on top of you. Canada has as much incentive to try and dominate the us as the us has to dominate Canada. The us just happens to be better at pulling at this point in history.

3. Actually, no country in North America has to do so, and didn't for the majority of the continent's history under Western control.

3. Every country in human history that has been able to, and many that have not, have always striven for regional domination over their neighbors. It's simply the only logical and safe course of action for a country to take.

1. While your endless rants are indeed enjoyable showcases of your love and understanding of John Waters' filmography, this isn't a movie thread, this is a thread about China. Thank you.
2. Got it, you don't know how North America works.
3. Factually untrue.