Taiwan: Chinese Sending Military Planes "Almost Daily"

[Adamede]

I asked Premier Xi to invade America, not Taiwan.

The PRC doesn't want a land war in the US. They want all historic Chinese territory under their control.

[East Clanoungawesse]

You always talk about the possibility of China becoming a nationalist state, which is obviously a wrong idea. Perhaps the people in China think that nationalism is very good, but those in power tend not to think so. China strictly adheres to the national policy laid down by Lenin, weakening the main ethnic groups to some extent and strengthening the minorities in one way or another. Recently there was a major incident in China where a case of rape of a female student by a Mongolian Muslim occurred at Zhejiang University (one of the top 10 universities in China) and the rapist was only given a 15 month suspended sentence and even the university did not expel the rapist simply because the culprit was a Mongolian Muslim! If the offender is a Han Chinese (the main ethnic group in China) then he faces a minimum of 3 years in prison and expulsion from school. The people are very angry about this, but Zhejiang University is still defending the rapist. Do you still think China is a nationalist country?

[Picairn]

Of course I believe what I'm saying, otherwise I'd be a fool. I can say what I want, as can you, you don't have to take heed of me. I can say it until I'm blue in the face, based on first-hand accounts from real people that I know, that I will believe them about it, and some of the more unbiased articles and books I've read. Of course I would like people to agree with me, but you don't have to.

First-hand experience is unreliable, as it doesn't expose you to different viewpoints on the matter. Bonus point if you also have selection bias and are looking for evidence that reinforces your worldview.

[Adamede]

Communists either seem to either embrace the PRC as the sole embodiment of communism or reject it as not real communism. Never seems to be an inbetween.

[Novus America]

Nah, Beijing's too close to the coast and located in a rather flat area, a blitzkrieg would be easy.

i hope for the good of humanity this is a shitpost.

Clearly the PRC propaganda Koolaid, which is widely available.
You do realize the PRC restricts access to foreign universities to those deemed loyal to the regime?

You will not find many dissident PRC students in the West because dissidents are restricted from leaving to attend such schools, and if they are caught criticizing the regime, they will be punished severely. Plus it costs a lot of money, so it is limited to the more privileged.

Selection bias and fear means your anecdotal sample is worthless.

There are many here as refugees that tell quite different stories, members of banned religions for example.

But sure many in the PRC support the regime. Many Germans supported the Nazis. That says nothing.

But anyways that does not change that they are a military and economic threat.
This is not just about human rights but survival.
They want the West destroyed, we want it to survive.

Actually the number of Chinese people that support their government does say something - that the boring cyberpunk hellscape they live in isn't quite as bad as what Western media makes it out to be. Many Germans supported the nazis, but never a majority of them. The Nazis only ever got into power through legislative trickery and the government basically just giving them power.

And the PRC got to power by seizing it through force and killing those who objected.
They never were elected by the majority either.
But it is true the PRC has many wealthy and privileged people who have a vested interest in supporting the regime. And others too afraid or apathetic to care.

But what do you think persecuted religious minorities like Falun Gong feel? Their religion is completely banned and they are killed without trial. Not so good for them.

It is a cyberpunk dystopia for those in the camps, shave factories and grossly polluted industrial areas, but there is a large privileged class in the coastal cities too, who have good material conditions.

But that changes nothing about the fact they are a threat to us.
The fact many people there support the regime only makes it more of a threat.

A majority might want to see Taiwan bombed, invaded and crushed, that dies not make it less a threat to the people of Taiwan.

[Picairn]

You always talk about the possibility of China becoming a nationalist state, which is obviously a wrong idea. Perhaps the people in China think that nationalism is very good, but those in power tend not to think so. China strictly adheres to the national policy laid down by Lenin, weakening the main ethnic groups to some extent and strengthening the minorities in one way or another. Recently there was a major incident in China where a case of rape of a female student by a Mongolian Muslim occurred at Zhejiang University (one of the top 10 universities in China) and the rapist was only given a 15 month suspended sentence and even the university did not expel the rapist simply because the culprit was a Mongolian Muslim! If the offender is a Han Chinese (the main ethnic group in China) then he faces a minimum of 3 years in prison and expulsion from school. The people are very angry about this, but Zhejiang University is still defending the rapist. Do you still think China is a nationalist country?

Chinese people overwhelmingly support the regime with its imperialist adventures on the South China Sea. See: the boycotts of Phillippines' import products by the Chinese after the ruling by ICJ was handed down. https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnati ... mports/amp

[New haven america]

Nah, Beijing's too close to the coast and located in a rather flat area, a blitzkrieg would be easy.

And that's exactly why the moment that American boots land in China PRC lets it's nukes fly.

If PRC leadership can't get the message out fast enough it won't.

Sure, maybe for Western powers or South Asian militaries this could be the case, but most East Asian militaries are much like Nazi Germany in the fact that they require upmost obedience and not taking actions that aren't directly ordered by your higher ups.

[New haven america]

You always talk about the possibility of China becoming a nationalist state, which is obviously a wrong idea. Perhaps the people in China think that nationalism is very good, but those in power tend not to think so. China strictly adheres to the national policy laid down by Lenin, weakening the main ethnic groups to some extent and strengthening the minorities in one way or another. Recently there was a major incident in China where a case of rape of a female student by a Mongolian Muslim occurred at Zhejiang University (one of the top 10 universities in China) and the rapist was only given a 15 month suspended sentence and even the university did not expel the rapist simply because the culprit was a Mongolian Muslim! If the offender is a Han Chinese (the main ethnic group in China) then he faces a minimum of 3 years in prison and expulsion from school. The people are very angry about this, but Zhejiang University is still defending the rapist. Do you still think China is a nationalist country?

Well it already is, so...

[Bombadil]

You always talk about the possibility of China becoming a nationalist state, which is obviously a wrong idea. Perhaps the people in China think that nationalism is very good, but those in power tend not to think so. China strictly adheres to the national policy laid down by Lenin, weakening the main ethnic groups to some extent and strengthening the minorities in one way or another. Recently there was a major incident in China where a case of rape of a female student by a Mongolian Muslim occurred at Zhejiang University (one of the top 10 universities in China) and the rapist was only given a 15 month suspended sentence and even the university did not expel the rapist simply because the culprit was a Mongolian Muslim! If the offender is a Han Chinese (the main ethnic group in China) then he faces a minimum of 3 years in prison and expulsion from school. The people are very angry about this, but Zhejiang University is still defending the rapist. Do you still think China is a nationalist country?

Chinese people overwhelmingly support the regime with its imperialist adventures on the South China Sea. See: the boycotts of Phillippines' import products by the Chinese after the ruling by ICJ was handed down. https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnati ... mports/amp

It's hard to tell how much that's simply an instinctive act to show your support. How people feel is very complicated to the point of almost having two personalities, the one you show and act publicly, and the internal true feelings. Not to say the true feelings aren't patriotic as well but they can be much more nuanced.

Ultimately one can dissent in China, one cannot have a popular dissension though.

I remember a colleague in China lamenting how her child was being bussed to demonstrations and therefore missing valuable school time.

[Orostan]

i hope for the good of humanity this is a shitpost.


Actually the number of Chinese people that support their government does say something - that the boring cyberpunk hellscape they live in isn't quite as bad as what Western media makes it out to be. Many Germans supported the nazis, but never a majority of them. The Nazis only ever got into power through legislative trickery and the government basically just giving them power.

And the PRC got to power by seizing it through force and killing those who objected.
They never were elected by the majority either.
But it is true the PRC has many wealthy and privileged people who have a vested interest in supporting the regime. And others too afraid or apathetic to care.

But what do you think persecuted religious minorities like Falun Gong feel? Their religion is completely banned and they are killed without trial. Not so good for them.

It is a cyberpunk dystopia for those in the camps, shave factories and grossly polluted industrial areas, but there is a large privileged class in the coastal cities too, who have good material conditions.

But that changes nothing about the fact they are a threat to us.
The fact many people there support the regime only makes it more of a threat.

A majority might want to see Taiwan bombed, invaded and crushed, that dies not make it less a threat to the people of Taiwan.

The US government got in power by the same way, do you think Washington crossed the Delaware to hand out Christmas presents?

The Falun Gong is a cult and deserves to be repressed. If anything the fact that they’re still around shows that China didn’t get rid of them early enough or nearly as efficiently as they should have. The Falun Gong believes race mixing is against human nature and are generally religious fanatics.

While it’s true that much of China lives in polluted areas they do not have massive concentration camps or anything of the sort. The only evidence for that comes from unreliable sources that have no actual proof and a lot of wild claims. Anyways, China currently is a lot better than it was even ten years ago and for sure much better than the more capitalistic and fascistic India.

[Slavakino]

I asked Premier Xi to invade America, not Taiwan.

I asked Khrushchev to destroy Maoism, didn't work

[Slavakino]

Communists either seem to either embrace the PRC as the sole embodiment of communism or reject it as not real communism. Never seems to be an inbetween.

Maoism isn't real and is an ideology about expansionism and conquering

[Orostan]

Communists either seem to either embrace the PRC as the sole embodiment of communism or reject it as not real communism. Never seems to be an inbetween.

Maoism isn't real and is an ideology about expansionism and conquering

oh, you again.

[Bombadil]

The US government got in power by the same way, do you think Washington crossed the Delaware to hand out Christmas presents?

Except the US is almost unique of a revolution that devised and maintained a system that didn't concentrate power into one person or one party.

The point of the CCP is the CCP, the object of power is power, and they'd rather let millions die than have their power challenged. That is their nature.

The Falun Gong is a cult and deserves to be repressed. If anything the fact that they’re still around shows that China didn’t get rid of them early enough or nearly as efficiently as they should have. The Falun Gong believes race mixing is against human nature and are generally religious fanatics.

They were a threat to the CCP and were dealt with accordingly. The CCP is also a cult.

While it’s true that much of China lives in polluted areas they do not have massive concentration camps or anything of the sort. The only evidence for that comes from unreliable sources that have no actual proof and a lot of wild claims. Anyways, China currently is a lot better than it was even ten years ago and for sure much better than the more capitalistic and fascistic India.

India has issues not necessarily related to democracy, the caste system and major regional differences, not as homogeneous as China. Yet it's still improving greatly.

We live in a time where, across the world, people are voting in nationalistic leaders, there's flux and change, but in India that change is possible, not so in China, especially not when Xi Jinping has installed himself as dictator for life.

I really don't think people understand Xi Jinping himself, he's a neo-Maoist who thinks the only thing wrong with the Cultural Revolution was that it was politicised. The idea behind it was right, subsume everyone to correct CCP thought with him at the helm. He believes in his own destiny and that destiny is reunification, and that is dangerous.

Xi Jinping is the problem, not China or Chinese people per se.

[Novus America]

And the PRC got to power by seizing it through force and killing those who objected.
They never were elected by the majority either.
But it is true the PRC has many wealthy and privileged people who have a vested interest in supporting the regime. And others too afraid or apathetic to care.

But what do you think persecuted religious minorities like Falun Gong feel? Their religion is completely banned and they are killed without trial. Not so good for them.

It is a cyberpunk dystopia for those in the camps, shave factories and grossly polluted industrial areas, but there is a large privileged class in the coastal cities too, who have good material conditions.

But that changes nothing about the fact they are a threat to us.
The fact many people there support the regime only makes it more of a threat.

A majority might want to see Taiwan bombed, invaded and crushed, that dies not make it less a threat to the people of Taiwan.

The US government got in power by the same way, do you think Washington crossed the Delaware to hand out Christmas presents?

The Falun Gong is a cult and deserves to be repressed. If anything the fact that they’re still around shows that China didn’t get rid of them early enough or nearly as efficiently as they should have. The Falun Gong believes race mixing is against human nature and are generally religious fanatics.

While it’s true that much of China lives in polluted areas they do not have massive concentration camps or anything of the sort. The only evidence for that comes from unreliable sources that have no actual proof and a lot of wild claims. Anyways, China currently is a lot better than it was even ten years ago and for sure much better than the more capitalistic and fascistic India.

The difference being the US later had real elections, something the PRC never did.
We have know way of knowing what people really want given the lack of real elections and lack of political freedoms.

Falun Gong might have some crazy be age beliefs, but they do not have the other signs of a cult like requiring members exclusively support them, self segregate/isolate. It is a rather loose grouping. But regardless of if you agree with their beliefs or not it is very oppressive to murder people because if their religious beliefs.
Even if the majority supports you being murdered for your religion you still end up dead.

They are still around mostly because they can exist outside of the PRC in places with religious freedom.

But sure the economy overall is better than it was 10 years ago. Still many suffer under a very repressive regime regardless. Improvement in living standards for many does not forgive everything else.

And no there are plenty of good sources regarding the camps including satellite pictures, even the PRC admits huge numbers are detained in “re-education centers”.

It is not all bad, but hardly all good. For many, especially the more privileged it is not bad materially compared to many places, but for many others it means brutal repression or even death.

But again the domestic conditions there do not make it less a threat.
The fact it is a military and economic threat does not change just because material conditions improved under Hu Jintao.

The fact the it keeps threatening to invade Taiwan (where material conditions AND freedoms are much better) makes it a threat to Taiwan regardless.
The PRC getting richer makes its bombs no less deadly.

[New haven america]

And the PRC got to power by seizing it through force and killing those who objected.
They never were elected by the majority either.
But it is true the PRC has many wealthy and privileged people who have a vested interest in supporting the regime. And others too afraid or apathetic to care.

But what do you think persecuted religious minorities like Falun Gong feel? Their religion is completely banned and they are killed without trial. Not so good for them.

It is a cyberpunk dystopia for those in the camps, shave factories and grossly polluted industrial areas, but there is a large privileged class in the coastal cities too, who have good material conditions.

But that changes nothing about the fact they are a threat to us.
The fact many people there support the regime only makes it more of a threat.

A majority might want to see Taiwan bombed, invaded and crushed, that dies not make it less a threat to the people of Taiwan.

1. The US government got in power by the same way, do you think Washington crossed the Delaware to hand out Christmas presents?

2. The Falun Gong is a cult and deserves to be repressed. If anything the fact that they’re still around shows that China didn’t get rid of them early enough or nearly as efficiently as they should have. The Falun Gong believes race mixing is against human nature and are generally religious fanatics.

3. While it’s true that much of China lives in polluted areas they do not have massive concentration camps or anything of the sort. The only evidence for that comes from unreliable sources that have no actual proof and a lot of wild claims. 4. Anyways, China currently is a lot better than it was even ten years ago and for sure much better than the more capitalistic and fascistic India.

1. Well no, it didn't. The Revolution was originally an uprising for equal representation that evolved into a fight for self rule, and even then, the founders went out of their way to avoid the consolidation of power to one group or individual. The CCP's goals was to get the CCP into power and then keep the CCP's control over China.

Also, Washington crossed the Delaware to get a victory over British/Hessian soldiers and mercs.

2. While yes, the Falun Gong is a cult, how do you feel about China's genocide of the Uighurs out of fear of terror attacks that weren't even a thing before they started?

3. Here's a video of Uighurs, shackled and blindfolded by Chinese police and soldiers getting sent to a concentration camp.

4. Actually, China was better off 10 years ago than it is today, because Xi's nationalistic policies are killing the economy.

[Orostan]

1. The US government got in power by the same way, do you think Washington crossed the Delaware to hand out Christmas presents?

2. The Falun Gong is a cult and deserves to be repressed. If anything the fact that they’re still around shows that China didn’t get rid of them early enough or nearly as efficiently as they should have. The Falun Gong believes race mixing is against human nature and are generally religious fanatics.

3. While it’s true that much of China lives in polluted areas they do not have massive concentration camps or anything of the sort. The only evidence for that comes from unreliable sources that have no actual proof and a lot of wild claims. 4. Anyways, China currently is a lot better than it was even ten years ago and for sure much better than the more capitalistic and fascistic India.

1. Well no, it didn't. The Revolution was originally an uprising for grater representation that evolved into a fight for self rule, and even then, the founders went out of their way to avoid the consolidation of power to one group or individual. The CCP's goals was to get the CCP into power and then keep the CCP's control over China.

Also, Washington crossed the Delaware to get a victory over British/Hessian soldiers and mercs.

2. While yes, the Falun Gong is a cult, how do you feel about China's genocide of the Uighurs out of fear of terror attacks that weren't even a thing before they started?

3. Here's a video of Uighurs, shackled and blindfolded by Chinese police and soldiers getting sent to a concentration camp.

4. Actually, China was better off 10 years ago than it is today, because Xi's nationalistic policies are killing the economy.

1. Every revolution’a goal is to get itself in power what are you even talking about?

2. I’m tempted to answer “it’s good and they should keep doing it” to make you mad but genocide is not happening and there is no evidence that it is happening apart from wild claims with no factual basis.

3. China moved prisoners on a train. Alright - what does this prove? We already know China is a police state, this proves nothing other than that China moves people around and isn’t particularly nice to their prisoners. I could easily get you a drone video of prison labor on an American farm and use it to claim that the USA is working minorities to death.

4. Do you have any evidence to support this claim or are you repeating CIA propaganda you read on reddit?

[Salus Maior]

1. Well no, it didn't. The Revolution was originally an uprising for grater representation that evolved into a fight for self rule, and even then, the founders went out of their way to avoid the consolidation of power to one group or individual. The CCP's goals was to get the CCP into power and then keep the CCP's control over China.

Also, Washington crossed the Delaware to get a victory over British/Hessian soldiers and mercs.

2. While yes, the Falun Gong is a cult, how do you feel about China's genocide of the Uighurs out of fear of terror attacks that weren't even a thing before they started?

3. Here's a video of Uighurs, shackled and blindfolded by Chinese police and soldiers getting sent to a concentration camp.

4. Actually, China was better off 10 years ago than it is today, because Xi's nationalistic policies are killing the economy.

1. Every revolution’a goal is to get itself in power what are you even talking about?

2. I’m tempted to answer “it’s good and they should keep doing it” to make you mad but genocide is not happening and there is no evidence that it is happening apart from wild claims with no factual basis.

3. China moved prisoners on a train. Alright - what does this prove? We already know China is a police state, this proves nothing other than that China moves people around and isn’t particularly nice to their prisoners. I could easily get you a drone video of prison labor on an American farm and use it to claim that the USA is working minorities to death.

There is no war in Ba-Sing-Se.

[New haven america]

1. Well no, it didn't. The Revolution was originally an uprising for grater representation that evolved into a fight for self rule, and even then, the founders went out of their way to avoid the consolidation of power to one group or individual. The CCP's goals was to get the CCP into power and then keep the CCP's control over China.

Also, Washington crossed the Delaware to get a victory over British/Hessian soldiers and mercs.

2. While yes, the Falun Gong is a cult, how do you feel about China's genocide of the Uighurs out of fear of terror attacks that weren't even a thing before they started?

3. Here's a video of Uighurs, shackled and blindfolded by Chinese police and soldiers getting sent to a concentration camp.

4. Actually, China was better off 10 years ago than it is today, because Xi's nationalistic policies are killing the economy.

1. Every revolution’a goal is to get itself in power what are you even talking about?

2. I’m tempted to answer “it’s good and they should keep doing it” to make you mad but genocide is not happening and there is no evidence that it is happening apart from wild claims with no factual basis.

3. China moved prisoners on a train. Alright - what does this prove? We already know China is a police state, this proves nothing other than that China moves people around and isn’t particularly nice to their prisoners. I could easily get you a drone video of prison labor on an American farm and use it to claim that the USA is working minorities to death.

4. Do you have any evidence to support this claim or are you repeating CIA propaganda you read on reddit?

1. No actually, a lot of revolutions are to remove people from power, or for unification, or for separation, and can be completely peaceful like the Velvet Revolution. The American Revolution for example didn't actually start out as a war for independence, it started out as an uprising to try and gain representation in British Parliament that then evolved into wanting independence ~2-3 years into the Revolution.

2. The claims are actually quite in line with how the CCP acts and have a lot of factual basis.

3. They're moving the Uighurs, a group you claim is not being put through genocide, onto a train to a concentration camp. Proving both that concentration camps are in China and genocide is a very real possibility.

4. So says the person who's done nothing so far but post CCP propaganda?

Remember, there is no war in Ba Sing Se.

[Orostan]

1. Every revolution’a goal is to get itself in power what are you even talking about?

2. I’m tempted to answer “it’s good and they should keep doing it” to make you mad but genocide is not happening and there is no evidence that it is happening apart from wild claims with no factual basis.

3. China moved prisoners on a train. Alright - what does this prove? We already know China is a police state, this proves nothing other than that China moves people around and isn’t particularly nice to their prisoners. I could easily get you a drone video of prison labor on an American farm and use it to claim that the USA is working minorities to death.

4. Do you have any evidence to support this claim or are you repeating CIA propaganda you read on reddit?

1. No actually, a lot of revolutions are to remove people from power, or for unification, or for separation, and can be completely peaceful like the Velvet Revolution. The American Revolution for example didn't actually start out as a war for independence, it started out as an uprising to try and gain representation in British Parliament that then evolved into wanting independence ~2-3 years into the Revolution.

2. The claims are actually quite in line with how the CCP acts and have a lot of factual basis.

3. They're moving the Uighurs, a group you claim is not being put through genocide, onto a train to a concentration camp. Proving both that concentration camps are in China and genocide is a very real possibility.

4. So says the person who's done nothing so far but post CCP propaganda?

Remember, there is no war in Ba Sing Se.

1. When you remove someone from power you are doing it to put a different person in power. The point of any movement is to get in some position of power, by violence or other means.

2. There is not. The most evidence you’ve shown is China moving prisoners on a train somewhere.

3. Prisoner transport by rail does not prove a concentration camp is the destination. There is no evidence that China is committing any sort of genocide.

4.
>facts are Chinese propaganda

this is funny coming from a Redditor who eats up whatever the CIA upvotes.

[Slavakino]

1. The US government got in power by the same way, do you think Washington crossed the Delaware to hand out Christmas presents?

2. The Falun Gong is a cult and deserves to be repressed. If anything the fact that they’re still around shows that China didn’t get rid of them early enough or nearly as efficiently as they should have. The Falun Gong believes race mixing is against human nature and are generally religious fanatics.

3. While it’s true that much of China lives in polluted areas they do not have massive concentration camps or anything of the sort. The only evidence for that comes from unreliable sources that have no actual proof and a lot of wild claims. 4. Anyways, China currently is a lot better than it was even ten years ago and for sure much better than the more capitalistic and fascistic India.

how do you feel about China's genocide of the Uighurs out of fear of terror attacks that weren't even a thing before they started?

Not supporting china or anything but I'm sure that the Chinese do not commit genocide, I'm sure they send them to concentration camps (or in this case "re-education camps") which aren't made to kill/genocide. Concentration camps are a way to detain minorities or a certain group of people for no reason to keep them imprisoned. The way I see it, China has its own Guantanamo Bay but for not criminals, but rather minorities. I have not heard of any open executions on these people

[Orostan]

how do you feel about China's genocide of the Uighurs out of fear of terror attacks that weren't even a thing before they started?

Not supporting china or anything but I'm sure that the Chinese do not commit genocide, I'm sure they send them to concentration camps (or in this case "re-education camps") which aren't made to kill/genocide. Concentration camps are a way to detain minorities or a certain group of people for no reason to keep them imprisoned. The way I see it, China has its own Guantanamo Bay but for not criminals, but rather minorities. I have not heard of any open executions on these people

Oh, I’m not denying the camps exist. They do. But they’re more likely semi-voluntary ‘re-education’ camps than extermination facilities.

[Salus Maior]

Not supporting china or anything but I'm sure that the Chinese do not commit genocide, I'm sure they send them to concentration camps (or in this case "re-education camps") which aren't made to kill/genocide. Concentration camps are a way to detain minorities or a certain group of people for no reason to keep them imprisoned. The way I see it, China has its own Guantanamo Bay but for not criminals, but rather minorities. I have not heard of any open executions on these people

Oh, I’m not denying the camps exist. They do. But they’re more likely semi-voluntary ‘re-education’ camps than extermination facilities.

lol.

They're either voluntary or they're not, bud.

[Rusozak]

Oh, I’m not denying the camps exist. They do. But they’re more likely semi-voluntary ‘re-education’ camps than extermination facilities.

lol.

They're either voluntary or they're not, bud.

I think semi-voluntary is PRC newspeak for the government "deciding what's best for you."

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

After Sudetenland it's the rest of Czechoslovakia I see.