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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:07 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Again, you cannot just will yourself to love someone else. That's not how it works. And asking someone to do that is incredibly cruel for anyone who has actually, deeply, loved someone

Of course you can will yourself to love someone. What's so hard?!?!

Oh good god, let's take this another angle. Are you straight? If so, imagine someone saying "nope, you have to love guys now, sleep with them, and only be able to marry them."

How do you think that would go?
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:07 pm

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So, now we have that cleared up, so you care to explain how you think sexual orientation can change?

Love someone else.

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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:07 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
La xinga wrote:Love someone else.

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I'm quite close to giving up.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:08 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
La xinga wrote:Of course you can will yourself to love someone. What's so hard?!?!

Oh good god, let's take this another angle. Are you straight? If so, imagine someone saying "nope, you have to love guys now, sleep with them, and only be able to marry them."

How do you think that would go?

Man cannot have children with man. Not physically possible. Thus not physically able.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:08 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Oh good god, let's take this another angle. Are you straight? If so, imagine someone saying "nope, you have to love guys now, sleep with them, and only be able to marry them."

How do you think that would go?

Man cannot have children with man. Not physically possible. Thus not physically able.

That's not what he asked you.
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Postby Nazeroth » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:09 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Oh good god, let's take this another angle. Are you straight? If so, imagine someone saying "nope, you have to love guys now, sleep with them, and only be able to marry them."

How do you think that would go?

Man cannot have children with man. Not physically possible. Thus not physically able.


having children=/=love

lots of people love without the ability to have children, sorry, you lost me now.
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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:09 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Oh good god, let's take this another angle. Are you straight? If so, imagine someone saying "nope, you have to love guys now, sleep with them, and only be able to marry them."

How do you think that would go?

Man cannot have children with man. Not physically possible. Thus not physically able.


And theres the crux of the issue; you don't view homosexual love as equal to heterosexual love because children cannot be created from that pairing.

Well, neither can they be made from marriages of the elderly, or the barren. He ability to procreate has nothing to do with love

So aside from being just boilerplate homophobia, it is also logically wrong.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:10 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
La xinga wrote:Man cannot have children with man. Not physically possible. Thus not physically able.

That's not what he asked you.

What is considered marriage without children?
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Postby Cordel One » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:10 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
La xinga wrote:What wot?

Then define the difference!


I wouldn't bother too much with them, I'm a gay guy and it still amazes me the amount of weird crap the left gets into, creating 1,000 genders and identities.

We add 5 more every time you complain, too.

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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:10 pm

La xinga wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:That's not what he asked you.

What is considered marriage without children?

Many successful marriages between the elderly, the barren, and, oh yeah, the homosexual. Also those that just dont want kids.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:10 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
La xinga wrote:Man cannot have children with man. Not physically possible. Thus not physically able.


And theres the crux of the issue; you don't view homosexual love as equal to heterosexual love because children cannot be created from that pairing.

Well, neither can they be made from marriages of the elderly, or the barren. He ability to procreate has nothing to do with love

So aside from being just boilerplate homophobia, it is also logically wrong.

He/she could have had children before.

oh, and marriage=/=love.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:11 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
La xinga wrote:What is considered marriage without children?

Many successful marriages between the elderly, the barren, and, oh yeah, the homosexual. Also those that just dont want kids.

What do you define as marriage, then?
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Postby Nazeroth » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:12 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
I wouldn't bother too much with them, I'm a gay guy and it still amazes me the amount of weird crap the left gets into, creating 1,000 genders and identities.

We add 5 more every time you complain, too.


so their are over 1,000? :blink: LUL
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:12 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Cordel One wrote:We add 5 more every time you complain, too.


so their are over 1,000? :blink: LUL

Eh probably.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:12 pm

La xinga wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:That's not what he asked you.

What is considered marriage without children?

Again that's not what he asked you.
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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:13 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Many successful marriages between the elderly, the barren, and, oh yeah, the homosexual. Also those that just dont want kids.

What do you define as marriage, then?

It's a legal status. The ability to have children is separate.
La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:
And theres the crux of the issue; you don't view homosexual love as equal to heterosexual love because children cannot be created from that pairing.

Well, neither can they be made from marriages of the elderly, or the barren. He ability to procreate has nothing to do with love

So aside from being just boilerplate homophobia, it is also logically wrong.

He/she could have had children before.

oh, and marriage=/=love.


The elderly do get married you know, when they are old right? And the barren can be born barren? Or impotent.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:13 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
La xinga wrote:What do you define as marriage, then?

It's a legal status. The ability to have children is separate.
La xinga wrote:He/she could have had children before.

oh, and marriage=/=love.

So law decides marriage or not? :?
The elderly do get married you know, when they are old right? And the barren can be born barren? Or impotent.
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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:14 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
La xinga wrote:What is considered marriage without children?

Again that's not what he asked you.

Still hasnt answered how to just not be gay. If it's a good one, I'll have to invent a time machine and tell my younger self. Would have saved alot of issues if I could just love women.
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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:14 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:It's a legal status. The ability to have children is separate.
So law decides marriage or not? :?
The elderly do get married you know, when they are old right? And the barren can be born barren? Or impotent.


Yes, marriage existed long before monotheistic religion.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:15 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Again that's not what he asked you.

Still hasnt answered how to just not be gay. If it's a good one, I'll have to invent a time machine and tell my younger self. Would have saved alot of issues if I could just love women.

I answered that already.
La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:You were the one who brought up gender identity, as you said go back to being what you were when you were born.

I claimed it was not ok to discriminate based on something that you cannot change. Like race, or sexual orientation.

You then veered off into gender identity, which is a totally different subject.

So, now we have that cleared up, so you care to explain how you think sexual orientation can change? Because it has been debunked time and time again.

Love someone else.

Love is not marriage, and marriage is not love.
-Me. Maybe somebody said it before but I think it's me.
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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:16 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Still hasnt answered how to just not be gay. If it's a good one, I'll have to invent a time machine and tell my younger self. Would have saved alot of issues if I could just love women.

I answered that already.
La xinga wrote:Love someone else.

Love is not marriage, and marriage is not love.
-Me. Maybe somebody said it before but I think it's me.

And I explained that's not how it works.

I'm gay, if I could have just willed myself to not be, I would have. It would have made things alot easier.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:16 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
La xinga wrote:


Yes, marriage existed long before monotheistic religion.

I'm sure. And are you arguing with your own point? IS law monotheistic religion, is having children monotheist?
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Postby Cordel One » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:16 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Many successful marriages between the elderly, the barren, and, oh yeah, the homosexual. Also those that just dont want kids.

What do you define as marriage, then?

Just want to step in and clear things up

mar·riage
/ˈmerij/

1. the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship

You can be married without having kids, and you can have kids without being married.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:16 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
La xinga wrote:I answered that already.

And I explained that's not how it works.

I'm gay, if I could have just willed myself to not be, I would have. It would have made things alot easier.

I don't know why you do or why you don't, that for you and for you only.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:17 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Still hasnt answered how to just not be gay.

I answered that already.

Nope, you didn't.
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White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
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